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On March 23 2011 06:54 GertHeart wrote:
The penalty he received was that he was removed completely from even having a chance to be in the tournament. If you read the original post he states that. Because they have to keep the integrity of the NASL intact.
His name was first removed by "uservoice" but also "Accidentally" by Xeris himself, too many silly and childish things.
And the whole lawsuit thing, is kind of a joke. but it's true to get slandered publically is something a person can sue for in the US. All he'd have to do is call up a lawyer ask him if he is interesting in it and present the evidence, show that this tournament has an 800k prize pool, and that lawyer might be willing to go on a contingency basis. So Avilo would not be representing himself "Per se" and he would be the Plaintiff obviously. Lawyers tend to take a 40-50%+ depending on the cases.
Dude he got the same chances now(slim to none)as he would have otherwise. You can go vote for him if you like, he is down to 15 votes though, may take a few more for him to even be put into consideration.
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On March 23 2011 06:54 Archvil3 wrote:
@GertHeart
Holy fuck that is probally the craziest shit I've read in a long while. Before I make myself look like a fool for falling for this, are you actually just trolling now?
Not trolling, sorry. I don't like that kind of stuff.
I just don't like how this was handled in more than one way. I find this more annoying than getting 10 TvT matches(in a row) when I play Terran on the ladder. And all are long matches that take almost an hour each.
So no, not trolling at all.
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In general, it is really hard for most of us to admit to having been wrong in some way.
They thought that Avilo was cheating (certainly someone was) given the antagonistic tone Avilo has taken with the NASL from the beginning due to the "you must be on a team" rule. Avilo was very vocal in his objections. When the NASL folks saw the possibility that Avilo was cheating, they called him out on it, and he denied. They were very aggressive in this despite not knowing for sure if Avilo even knew anything about what was going on. This was probably not the best tactic and is probably due to the history between them.
What should have happened...they track down Avilo's real vote count, rectify it and let Avilo know (politely with no accusation) what they found, and release a statement about it to let people know that vote rigging won't be tolerated. They never call Avilo out for cheating personally and go out of their way to say that they have no evidence that he was involved.
What they should be sorry for.
1> Accusing him with no evidence.
2> Being vengeful and disrespectful (unprofessional) in their handling of the situation
Because their choices they now have this situation where they are not in a positive light. But we all make mistakes. They really should release a statement that is very forceful about this that they were wrong, they made a mistake, and they will work to prevent similar mistakes in the future. From what I can tell, their apology is being made from a fundamental position of not really thinking they were wrong in the first place, which is not a good place to start an apology from.
http://www.amazon.com/Being-Wrong-Adventures-Margin-Error/dp/0061176044
Having said all that, I'm really excited about the NASL, and am looking forward to the streams and may buy a ticket (I already buy every GSL ticket).
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motbob
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On March 23 2011 06:57 GertHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 06:54 motbob wrote:
If none of this vote rigging stuff had ever happened, Avilo would have very few votes and wouldn't be under consideration for an invite. Evidence: "The reason Avilo was first on our standby list was because of his perceived popularity. Obviously that has now been shown to be false, so we can no longer have him on that list."
Now, after all this vote rigging stuff has happened, Avilo isn't under consideration for an invite.
So nothing has changed. The only thing that was achieved during this whole voting process was a bunch of hurt egos, and nobody cares about that. So stop talking about this issue, please. Motbob, you're a cheater, I exchanged these PM's with you. You have been removed from TeamLiquid.net to keep TLAF's Integrity. and all your posts have been removed because we have found that none were actually posted by you. Does that sound good to you Motbob? That's about how it was done to him. Try to look at it from Xeris's point of view but also from Avilo's. And then from a neutral stand point.
GerHeart, I may be a hypothetical cheater, but you are a real life idiot. That or you're being blinded by fandom of Avilo.
- Avilo wasn't removed from the NASL to keep the NASL's integrity. He was removed because the only reason for him to be considered in the first place was because of his popularity, which turned out to be fraudulent.
- Unlike Avilo's votes, which were actually fraudulent (see: the AtheneWins rigging), all my posts actually were made by me. So your analogy doesn't make any sense.
Again, this whole Avilo thing is a non-issue and it really shouldn't be discussed. Nothing of import is at stake here. Avilo would not be in the NASL, vote-rigging or no vote-rigging.
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On March 23 2011 06:54 GertHeart wrote:
The penalty he received was that he was removed completely from even having a chance to be in the tournament. If you read the original post he states that. Because they have to keep the integrity of the NASL intact.
His name was first removed by "uservoice" but also "Accidentally" by Xeris himself, too many silly and childish things.
And the whole lawsuit thing, is kind of a joke. but it's true to get slandered publically is something a person can sue for in the US. All he'd have to do is call up a lawyer ask him if he is interesting in it and present the evidence, show that this tournament has an 800k prize pool, and that lawyer might be willing to go on a contingency basis. So Avilo would not be representing himself "Per se" and he would be the Plaintiff obviously. Lawyers tend to take a 40-50%+ depending on the cases.
Slander requires something to be said in public, or at least in the presence of another person. (Technically it would be libel since it was printed rather than said.) The "accusation" was made in private. Avilo is the one who made it public first. If I send you an email that says "You're an idiot", you can't very well sue me for slander/libel after you start shouting "MechaCthulhu called me an idiot!"
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First 5 in the next 10 to 15 minutes... HYPE HYPE HYPE... im over the logisitics i just wanna know the players and get to the GAMES
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Also, I have no idea who Avilo is, never watched him play (maybe once) and have no stakes. Its just very clear that:
Next,ecause Avilo is insistent on claiming that we are accusing him of cheating, here are the emails I sent to him and the PM's I sent. Nowhere did I say that I accused him of cheating. In the FIRST PM I said "you", but I clarified it later.
PMs:
"Ah, you were removed from the poll by uservoice. We investigated fraudulent voting and your votes were illegitimate. You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. "
It is very clear in that PM that they are in fact accusing him of cheating. They are trying to revise history but post evidence against that revisionist history in the same post which is really really strange. Here are the clarifications:
"Nobody has anything against you, none of us here have ever dealt with you or know you at all. The CEO of uservoice told me that almost all of your votes were fraudulent, and that they were also almost all made from one account. So, am I believing you or the CEO of uservoice? "
"I don't know who the CEO of uservoice is either, but we investigated fraudulent votes of every player in the first page of the poll, and almost all of yours were found to be fraudulent. Dunno what else to tell you. "'
Those clarifications sound accusatory to me.
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On March 23 2011 07:04 ditkaordie wrote:
First 5 in the next 10 to 15 minutes... HYPE HYPE HYPE... im over the logisitics i just wanna know the players and get to the GAMES
Where did you find this? was it on twitter or something?
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On March 23 2011 07:07 photomuse wrote:Also, I have no idea who Avilo is, never watched him play (maybe once) and have no stakes. Its just very clear that: Show nested quote +
Next,ecause Avilo is insistent on claiming that we are accusing him of cheating, here are the emails I sent to him and the PM's I sent. Nowhere did I say that I accused him of cheating. In the FIRST PM I said "you", but I clarified it later.
PMs:
"Ah, you were removed from the poll by uservoice. We investigated fraudulent voting and your votes were illegitimate. You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. "
It is very clear in that PM that they are in fact accusing him of cheating. They are trying to revise history but post evidence against that revisionist history in the same post which is really really strange.
Its not really strange its just that they suck at covering up their mistakes lol.
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I told him through pm... that's what I was told by our web people!
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I'm not the biggest fan of Xeris attitude (some past tournaments as well) and I don't really like how NASL handled this whole situation. That said, this will probably be forgotten in a few days and we can get back to hyping the shit out the tournament.
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On March 23 2011 07:03 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 06:57 GertHeart wrote:On March 23 2011 06:54 motbob wrote:
If none of this vote rigging stuff had ever happened, Avilo would have very few votes and wouldn't be under consideration for an invite. Evidence: "The reason Avilo was first on our standby list was because of his perceived popularity. Obviously that has now been shown to be false, so we can no longer have him on that list."
Now, after all this vote rigging stuff has happened, Avilo isn't under consideration for an invite.
So nothing has changed. The only thing that was achieved during this whole voting process was a bunch of hurt egos, and nobody cares about that. So stop talking about this issue, please. Motbob, you're a cheater, I exchanged these PM's with you. You have been removed from TeamLiquid.net to keep TLAF's Integrity. and all your posts have been removed because we have found that none were actually posted by you. Does that sound good to you Motbob? That's about how it was done to him. Try to look at it from Xeris's point of view but also from Avilo's. And then from a neutral stand point. GerHeart, I may be a hypothetical cheater, but you are a real life idiot. That or you're being blinded by fandom of Avilo. - Avilo wasn't removed from the NASL to keep the NASL's integrity. He was removed because the only reason for him to be considered in the first place was because of his popularity, which turned out to be fraudulent. - Unlike Avilo's votes, which were actually fraudulent (see: the AtheneWins rigging), all my posts actually were made by me. So your analogy doesn't make any sense.
First, I hope you did not get offended from my example.I am sorry on that note. It was literally just an example. I am not actually saying any part of what I said directed at you is true. I'm saying try to think in more than one perspective, you are still only giving your own view and even calling me names. I was seriously just giving you an example. My fault for not stating it clearly enough. I thought me actually being direct would be kind point black proof it wasn't real.
And I am not an Avilo fanboy. just like I like Xbox360, Ps3 and Wii and PC gaming, I am allowed to like more than one thing, and choose to exercise those freedoms. What erked me was simply the treatment in the situation, and the process. Photomous had a good suggestion on how to fix it, that I agree with.
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On March 23 2011 07:09 Xeris wrote:
I told him through pm... that's what I was told by our web people!
So pumped, any word on where we should be looking to see it?
Just found this and followed them just in case 
http://twitter.com/#!/nasltv
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Can someone please clarify, to me at least, why this is such a big deal?
Are people really getting that uppity about Xeris not giving an "offical" apology?
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e. Haha, nvm they removed 10.
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did anyone happen to see the other ten... who were they?
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Moon
QXC
KawaiiRice
SeleCT
IdrA
From the NASL Web Site. Nothing unexpected.
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Players are up Moon QXC Select Idra KawaiiRice
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On March 23 2011 07:13 Bagi wrote:
e. Haha, nvm they removed 10.
too bad.
but hey, idra and qxc are already confirmed, and not in the same division, so i'm happy!
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