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On February 25 2011 04:13 tsularesque wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:10 .Aar wrote:On February 25 2011 04:06 TheWahbinator wrote:
ok can we really stop ripping him to shreds? It's blatant that he's apologized time and time again. Along with that I've seen much more good done to outweigh this small transgression.
The one thing I may be a bit weary about is the ban, since IMO it's something that should've been dealt with outside the site, but it's already finished.
Stop beating the dead hors- oh dear why did I say that I really want to see this thing get off the ground, but I disagree. For esports to grow, we need people like Day[9] - friendly and at the same time professional. I am a fan of iNcontrol, but it doesn't take more than one SotG listen to figure out that there are some things that might tick people off. And when you're undertaking a risky venture that depends on people buying your product, you don't want to tick people off. That said, can we get back to Q&A? This has been discussed to death already. Watch day9 cast chill v combatx. Then watch him now. You can see the HUGE difference between 'community member' and 'face of sc2'. Right now iNcontroL is making that transition. One day he'll be able to quote his own bear semen all over people and we'll all go "lololol" at it. Let's go with it.
Face of broodwar you mean
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On February 25 2011 04:16 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident. Having 1000 posts of anything doesn't give any weight to anything. It can as easily mean people are just inflating the issue. I'm sure if you wade through the smut you would be left with fasr less.
It's more about the perception, rather than the reality, sadly. The forums are an echo chamber that expands outwards. I just think it's important that the NASL officials bite this in the bud and do damage control.
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On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident.
# of posts means nothing because the mass majority of those posts are just mindless bandwagon bashing. People see a piece of juicy drama, put on their top hats and monocles, and spout meaningless bullshit.
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On February 25 2011 04:16 vdek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident. When 75%+ of those posts are made by the same few users, I think it does.
Isn't that what a community is? A vocal minority and the silent masses?
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On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident.
There's a 1704 post thread about Nada's body in the BW forum. Clearly it is the most revered element of BW as an e-sports and far more important than any of Incontrol's transgressions.
Really, people will discuss/argue about anything at great lengths. You can hardly correlate thread length to importance.
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To iNcontroL, I hope you realize that there are people who dont agree with floor exercise who enjoy ur humor and hope this doesn't affect the way you cast. Truthfully, I only had a problem with this "pre-apology" and people I feel are now complaining for the sake of complaining. I feel like I should note that there is a difference between banning someone on a community site and being a joker on your own stream. I wish that you would change your mind about joking on your stream, but if thats your decision so be it. GL again with NASL!
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On February 25 2011 04:16 multiversed- wrote:
i wouldn't invest any more effort into even deflecting this. i was reading some dude hardcore flaming you on screddit, then under the same name, 20 minutes later, he was in your stream chat asking you friendly questions.
i seriously don't know what to think other than screddit has proven itself to be a community that i want no part of. it's all horrible attempts at bad memes, socially awkward stories from teenagers, and trolls. there is no intelligent thought at all. even when there is, there is always some asshat who feels the need to correct everyone and have a meltdown in the process.
if you ever wanted to talk to the starcraft youtube viewer fanbase directly, screddit is your place. the comments aren't too far from youtube quality either. it's all very roman Colosseum-esque in nature, and the crowd aint too sharp.
i wonder if they honestly believe that they can cry about reality until fantasy becomes reality. it's quiet romantic when you look at it that way and not childish in nature at all. i think the key word here is child.
you mean you don't base your business decisions on the collective opinion of a group of anti-social children with ego problems? why not?
even if this was all perfect in terms of the rules and the layout, and day9 was the "face" of it all... i feel people would still be trying to burn this down simply for the fact that it could fail. people feel that they personally own esports and you have to act within their guidelines or be rejected by the community. sadly they are not intelligent enough to make rational or sane choices for the advancement of the community even if this were true. so how do we tell them this?
TLDR? any progress is better than no progress, and ur dumb if you think you matter. stop it.
Can you please not confuse the f*ck*ng flamers etc on reddit with the rest of us? you are now the same as them... thinking a whole community is the same.. get your facts straight.. and apologize
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On February 25 2011 04:18 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident. There's a 1704 post thread about Nada's body in the BW forum. Clearly it is the most revered element of BW as an e-sports and far more important than any of Incontrol's transgressions. Really, people will discuss/argue about anything at great lengths. You can hardly correlate thread length to importance.
That thread was made 1 and a half years ago...
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On February 25 2011 04:18 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident. There's a 1704 post thread about Nada's body in the BW forum. Clearly it is the most revered element of BW as an e-sports and far more important than any of Incontrol's transgressions. Really, people will discuss/argue about anything at great lengths. You can hardly correlate thread length to importance.
While I don't wish to derail the thread further, the Nada's body thread is years old, whereas this topic is (afaik) less than 24 hours old. Kind of a silly comparison.
Regardless, we should turn this back into a Q&A thread!
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On February 25 2011 04:08 Z-R0E wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:03 floor exercise wrote:On February 25 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:On February 25 2011 03:59 floor exercise wrote:On February 25 2011 03:45 iNcontroL wrote:
floor exercise I can totally understand your fervent anger with me. We've interacted on TL in the past and you were equally abrasive. If you didn't like my first apology how did the next 3 measure up? I clearly say I was wrong and it won't happen again. Did you want to just continue trying to find a way to assume I was doing more wrong? You don't see the issue with having a three stage apology where you slowly admit more and more guilt as though you are more interested in reaching a compromise where enough people are satisfied than you are at realizing the megalomaniacal insanity of going out of your way to punish people who speak ill of you and blaming some conspiracy of nerds for your actions? Have we truly had interactions in the past? I honestly don't recall. You seem to keep a list of everyone who has ever disagreed with you or something. I mean could it possibly be, after tearing apart event after event and cherishing your role as lead asshole on SOTG, that people just might actually be skeptical that you are the one to lead us to the esports promised land? Is that such an absurd concept to wrap your head around. That when all you can really do is put others down, you might not be the greatest spokesperson for something with such grandiose intentions as the NASL? I know, you are just "keepin it real" and "putting yourself out there" and you aren't a "call center personality" whatever that is, but how come you're the only one in the entire community who's allowed to put themselves out there without belonging to a conspiracy with the sole intent of bringing you down? Alright dude. What would you like me to do? Not let your ego fuck this up for starters It's responses like this that make me 100% understand why iNcontroL feels there's a campaign against him. He apologizes, you tell him his apology isn't enough, he asks what more he can do, and you essentially tell to fuck off. If you're not happy with his apology already, you're likely never going to be happy with any thing iNcontroL's involved in, because at this point it seems like nothing he could say or do will ever make you forgive him for his horrendous behavior.
This is so true, just look at the post history of all the people complaining about iNcontroL in this thread, where ever iNcontroL is, they are there rearing their heads and voicing their discontent, this has nothing to do with some stupid re stream that the 4000+ odd people watching didn't care about, this is them having a problem with iNcontroL on a more personal level
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Question
Apart from the 1024 player open, are all the rest of the players invite only?
Who decides who the "best" 50 players are (or 49) that get that invite?
If that is the case, and Im sorry if this comes out wrong, but this seems more of a popularity contest rather than skill.
Could someone make a name for themselves in this tournament? Seems like 49 of the 50 people already have made a name for themselves or else they wouldnt be invited?
Thanks!
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THIS ISNT HELPING E-SPORT !!!!! mimimimi
I didnt read one site of the Threath, but i assume its the same poop as everyday.
I didnt like the Clash of the Titans too, because the Sound was not synchronized, but shit happens and next time you guys will do an Awesome job !
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On February 25 2011 04:21 goiflin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:18 vyyye wrote:On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident. There's a 1704 post thread about Nada's body in the BW forum. Clearly it is the most revered element of BW as an e-sports and far more important than any of Incontrol's transgressions. Really, people will discuss/argue about anything at great lengths. You can hardly correlate thread length to importance. While I don't wish to derail the thread further, the Nada's body thread is years old, whereas this topic is (afaik) less than 24 hours old. Kind of a silly comparison. Regardless, we should turn this back into a Q&A thread!
It's not as silly as claiming that 1000 posts on a subject means that it's a major incident.
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Does anyone else find it a little sad that some people can't differentiate between a joke said to a personal friend and an official statement of their beliefs? There are some legitimate complaints here, and then there are a bunch of pathetic ones made by people either grasping at straws or with extremely flawed social interactions. He said "i'm too famous for that" in a private message (lol privacy on a stream) to a friend. If you can't see how that's different than something posted on a message board then I don't know what to say.
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i didn't confuse anything. it's all the same community regardless of what website you post on and the rules that they impose. and spoken like a true community member. what else do i owe you little guy?
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On February 25 2011 04:24 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:21 goiflin wrote:On February 25 2011 04:18 vyyye wrote:On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident. There's a 1704 post thread about Nada's body in the BW forum. Clearly it is the most revered element of BW as an e-sports and far more important than any of Incontrol's transgressions. Really, people will discuss/argue about anything at great lengths. You can hardly correlate thread length to importance. While I don't wish to derail the thread further, the Nada's body thread is years old, whereas this topic is (afaik) less than 24 hours old. Kind of a silly comparison. Regardless, we should turn this back into a Q&A thread! It's not as silly as claiming that 1000 posts on a subject means that it's a major incident.
Well what does a community mean to you? How do you gauge an interest of a community? It's through their voices, which are through their posts on forums.
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I haven't found out what happened yet but I come to TL 20 times a day for this kind of stuff.
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This is a Q and A thread, so here i go
Question (that i see nowhere has been answered):
1. Do you iNcontrol, have a GOM account + GOM player installed, or have you watched GSL since day 1 through restreams?
As someone who has been paying for GSL since Season 1, i am interested to hear, especially since NASL will use a similar system (HQ = costs money, SQ = free etc)
Thank you for your time
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On February 25 2011 04:24 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:21 goiflin wrote:On February 25 2011 04:18 vyyye wrote:On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident. There's a 1704 post thread about Nada's body in the BW forum. Clearly it is the most revered element of BW as an e-sports and far more important than any of Incontrol's transgressions. Really, people will discuss/argue about anything at great lengths. You can hardly correlate thread length to importance. While I don't wish to derail the thread further, the Nada's body thread is years old, whereas this topic is (afaik) less than 24 hours old. Kind of a silly comparison. Regardless, we should turn this back into a Q&A thread! It's not as silly as claiming that 1000 posts on a subject means that it's a major incident.
Well if you consider that there are wayyy more lurkers than posters, 1000 posts on a a subject means that a shitload more have read about it. I don't know what your definition of "major" is but I wouldn't say he was silly for calling it a major incident when thousands of potential NASL purchasers are reading this shit whether it's true/important or not.
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