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On February 25 2011 04:03 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:On February 25 2011 03:59 floor exercise wrote:On February 25 2011 03:45 iNcontroL wrote:
floor exercise I can totally understand your fervent anger with me. We've interacted on TL in the past and you were equally abrasive. If you didn't like my first apology how did the next 3 measure up? I clearly say I was wrong and it won't happen again. Did you want to just continue trying to find a way to assume I was doing more wrong? You don't see the issue with having a three stage apology where you slowly admit more and more guilt as though you are more interested in reaching a compromise where enough people are satisfied than you are at realizing the megalomaniacal insanity of going out of your way to punish people who speak ill of you and blaming some conspiracy of nerds for your actions? Have we truly had interactions in the past? I honestly don't recall. You seem to keep a list of everyone who has ever disagreed with you or something. I mean could it possibly be, after tearing apart event after event and cherishing your role as lead asshole on SOTG, that people just might actually be skeptical that you are the one to lead us to the esports promised land? Is that such an absurd concept to wrap your head around. That when all you can really do is put others down, you might not be the greatest spokesperson for something with such grandiose intentions as the NASL? I know, you are just "keepin it real" and "putting yourself out there" and you aren't a "call center personality" whatever that is, but how come you're the only one in the entire community who's allowed to put themselves out there without belonging to a conspiracy with the sole intent of bringing you down? Alright dude. What would you like me to do? Not let your ego fuck this up for starters
It's responses like this that make me 100% understand why iNcontroL feels there's a campaign against him. He apologizes, you tell him his apology isn't enough, he asks what more he can do, and you essentially tell to fuck off. If you're not happy with his apology already, you're likely never going to be happy with any thing iNcontroL's involved in, because at this point it seems like nothing he could say or do will ever make you forgive him for his horrendous behavior.
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Where can I download that song about horses, and how they're the greatest?
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Dear In-control,
I love you as a player and person, when i heard about nasl i was super excited, but i felt a bit doubt when i saw the show match. It was awfully made, it gave me a bad feeling about the future of nasl but that has been cleared. The point of all this rage is 1 and simple thing. You asked for a re-stream, and banned that re-streamer because of personal feelings and insults in his stream, but stating the ban reason as "restreaming gsl/being a dick", this has caused a shit storm to arrive. But now that all of this has been cleared gl with nasl! ill be tuning in.
NicoTn
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On February 25 2011 04:06 TheWahbinator wrote:
ok can we really stop ripping him to shreds? It's blatant that he's apologized time and time again. Along with that I've seen much more good done to outweigh this small transgression.
The one thing I may be a bit weary about is the ban, since IMO it's something that should've been dealt with outside the site, but it's already finished.
Stop beating the dead hors- oh dear why did I say that
I really want to see this thing get off the ground, but I disagree. For esports to grow, we need people like Day[9] - friendly and at the same time professional. I am a fan of iNcontrol, but it doesn't take more than one SotG listen to figure out that there are some things that might tick people off. And when you're undertaking a risky venture that depends on people buying your product, you don't want to tick people off.
That said, can we get back to Q&A? This has been discussed to death already.
Oh, and any word on price of attendance yet? I live in Orange County and plan to come by at least a few times with some friends, and considering the cost of gas and time, I don't want to spend too much more.. oh and of course once you do set a price people are going to complain that the GSL has free attendance. Funsies.
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I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO.
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This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics.
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I hope that you don't actually stop making jokes, your stream is one of the most entertaining streams out there and people keep coming back to it for a reason. This thread just feels like the vocal minority forcing your hand, how many people actually tuned into your "restream" that night? At the end it was almost 4000 people, no one was there because you sometimes had the GSL stream tab open, they were there because of your commentary, no one there cared that you "restreamed"
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On February 25 2011 04:08 Z-R0E wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:03 floor exercise wrote:On February 25 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:On February 25 2011 03:59 floor exercise wrote:On February 25 2011 03:45 iNcontroL wrote:
floor exercise I can totally understand your fervent anger with me. We've interacted on TL in the past and you were equally abrasive. If you didn't like my first apology how did the next 3 measure up? I clearly say I was wrong and it won't happen again. Did you want to just continue trying to find a way to assume I was doing more wrong? You don't see the issue with having a three stage apology where you slowly admit more and more guilt as though you are more interested in reaching a compromise where enough people are satisfied than you are at realizing the megalomaniacal insanity of going out of your way to punish people who speak ill of you and blaming some conspiracy of nerds for your actions? Have we truly had interactions in the past? I honestly don't recall. You seem to keep a list of everyone who has ever disagreed with you or something. I mean could it possibly be, after tearing apart event after event and cherishing your role as lead asshole on SOTG, that people just might actually be skeptical that you are the one to lead us to the esports promised land? Is that such an absurd concept to wrap your head around. That when all you can really do is put others down, you might not be the greatest spokesperson for something with such grandiose intentions as the NASL? I know, you are just "keepin it real" and "putting yourself out there" and you aren't a "call center personality" whatever that is, but how come you're the only one in the entire community who's allowed to put themselves out there without belonging to a conspiracy with the sole intent of bringing you down? Alright dude. What would you like me to do? Not let your ego fuck this up for starters It's responses like this that make me 100% understand why iNcontroL feels there's a campaign against him. He apologizes, you tell him his apology isn't enough, he asks what more he can do, and you essentially tell to fuck off. If you're not happy with his apology already, you're likely never going to be happy with any thing iNcontroL's involved in, because at this point it seems like nothing he could say or do will ever make you forgive him for his horrendous behavior.
This right here.
Honestly Geoff I would stop posting in here if I was you.
Clearly some people are only going to be happy when you are nailed to a cross for a mistake that you have already apologized for.
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On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics.
Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama.
On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO.
This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion...
Next thing you know, you're going to ask the NASL to make a public announcement whenever iNcontroL eats Chili.
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On February 25 2011 04:10 .Aar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:06 TheWahbinator wrote:
ok can we really stop ripping him to shreds? It's blatant that he's apologized time and time again. Along with that I've seen much more good done to outweigh this small transgression.
The one thing I may be a bit weary about is the ban, since IMO it's something that should've been dealt with outside the site, but it's already finished.
Stop beating the dead hors- oh dear why did I say that I really want to see this thing get off the ground, but I disagree. For esports to grow, we need people like Day[9] - friendly and at the same time professional. I am a fan of iNcontrol, but it doesn't take more than one SotG listen to figure out that there are some things that might tick people off. And when you're undertaking a risky venture that depends on people buying your product, you don't want to tick people off. That said, can we get back to Q&A? This has been discussed to death already.
Watch day9 cast chill v combatx. Then watch him now.
You can see the HUGE difference between 'community member' and 'face of sc2'.
Right now iNcontroL is making that transition. One day he'll be able to quote his own bear semen all over people and we'll all go "lololol" at it. Let's go with it.
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On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics.
Furthermore, it's hilarious how people are seriously attempting to tie any potential "failure to grow esports" to Incontrols behaviour; the people who are aware of such things are already watching and as such not the target of any such growth.
I'll be disappointed if the result of this utterly pointless reddit drama is SotG being a much less entertaining show.
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On February 25 2011 04:08 Z-R0E wrote:
It's responses like this that make me 100% understand why iNcontroL feels there's a campaign against him. He apologizes, you tell him his apology isn't enough, he asks what more he can do, and you essentially tell to fuck off. If you're not happy with his apology already, you're likely never going to be happy with any thing iNcontroL's involved in, because at this point it seems like nothing he could say or do will ever make you forgive him for his horrendous behavior.
Public figures have to deal with this all of the time. In general, the best response is for iNcontrol to rise above all this. He apologized for his mistakes. Some people won't accept that. But iNcontrol needs to stop discussing it with these people that cannot be satisfied. He needs to put this behind him.
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On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion...
When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident.
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On February 25 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:03 floor exercise wrote:On February 25 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:On February 25 2011 03:59 floor exercise wrote:On February 25 2011 03:45 iNcontroL wrote:
floor exercise I can totally understand your fervent anger with me. We've interacted on TL in the past and you were equally abrasive. If you didn't like my first apology how did the next 3 measure up? I clearly say I was wrong and it won't happen again. Did you want to just continue trying to find a way to assume I was doing more wrong? You don't see the issue with having a three stage apology where you slowly admit more and more guilt as though you are more interested in reaching a compromise where enough people are satisfied than you are at realizing the megalomaniacal insanity of going out of your way to punish people who speak ill of you and blaming some conspiracy of nerds for your actions? Have we truly had interactions in the past? I honestly don't recall. You seem to keep a list of everyone who has ever disagreed with you or something. I mean could it possibly be, after tearing apart event after event and cherishing your role as lead asshole on SOTG, that people just might actually be skeptical that you are the one to lead us to the esports promised land? Is that such an absurd concept to wrap your head around. That when all you can really do is put others down, you might not be the greatest spokesperson for something with such grandiose intentions as the NASL? I know, you are just "keepin it real" and "putting yourself out there" and you aren't a "call center personality" whatever that is, but how come you're the only one in the entire community who's allowed to put themselves out there without belonging to a conspiracy with the sole intent of bringing you down? Alright dude. What would you like me to do? Not let your ego fuck this up for starters Alright I will try harder to do that. Sorry if that was something that angered you in the past.
iNControL wins! Seriously, move on now. We all make mistakes.
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On February 25 2011 04:13 tsularesque wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:10 .Aar wrote:On February 25 2011 04:06 TheWahbinator wrote:
ok can we really stop ripping him to shreds? It's blatant that he's apologized time and time again. Along with that I've seen much more good done to outweigh this small transgression.
The one thing I may be a bit weary about is the ban, since IMO it's something that should've been dealt with outside the site, but it's already finished.
Stop beating the dead hors- oh dear why did I say that I really want to see this thing get off the ground, but I disagree. For esports to grow, we need people like Day[9] - friendly and at the same time professional. I am a fan of iNcontrol, but it doesn't take more than one SotG listen to figure out that there are some things that might tick people off. And when you're undertaking a risky venture that depends on people buying your product, you don't want to tick people off. That said, can we get back to Q&A? This has been discussed to death already. Watch day9 cast chill v combatx. Then watch him now. You can see the HUGE difference between 'community member' and 'face of sc2'. Right now iNcontroL is making that transition. One day he'll be able to quote his own bear semen all over people and we'll all go "lololol" at it. Let's go with it.
That's exactly what I meant, although now that I reread my post I can see that in the final edit I took out the "iNc is iNc, but if he wants this to succeed he's going to need to become Day[9]" part :x
Or okay, he doesn't need to become Day[9], but you get the idea.
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i wouldn't invest any more effort into even deflecting this. i was reading some dude hardcore flaming you on screddit, then under the same name, 20 minutes later, he was in your stream chat asking you friendly questions.
i seriously don't know what to think other than screddit has proven itself to be a community that i want no part of. it's all horrible attempts at bad memes, socially awkward stories from teenagers, and trolls. there is no intelligent thought at all. even when there is, there is always some asshat who feels the need to correct everyone and have a meltdown in the process.
if you ever wanted to talk to the starcraft youtube viewer fanbase directly, screddit is your place. the comments aren't too far from youtube quality either. it's all very roman Colosseum-esque in nature, and the crowd aint too sharp.
i wonder if they honestly believe that they can cry about reality until fantasy becomes reality. it's quiet romantic when you look at it that way and not childish in nature at all. i think the key word here is child.
you mean you don't base your business decisions on the collective opinion of a group of anti-social children with ego problems? why not?
even if this was all perfect in terms of the rules and the layout, and day9 was the "face" of it all... i feel people would still be trying to burn this down simply for the fact that it could fail. people feel that they personally own esports and you have to act within their guidelines or be rejected by the community. sadly they are not intelligent enough to make rational or sane choices for the advancement of the community even if this were true. so how do we tell them this?
TLDR? any progress is better than no progress, and ur dumb if you think you matter. stop it.
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On February 25 2011 03:37 iNcontroL wrote:
why did you ignore all the parts where I said everything I did was wrong and I am sorry?
InControl, I was watching your stream last night but went to bed 'early' (like 1:30 AM), so I obviously missed this. It sounds like people are blowing shit out of proportion ... again.
For everyone out there, why is this issue being bashed to death in this thread in particular? It has absolutely nothing to do with the NASL.
I think I'll answer that question for you: people on this board are desperate to discredit InControl, and are now hitting below the belt. It's not like they're making fun of how big he is or reality tv show appearance. They're using a mistake he made at 3 in the morning as an indicator of the future standards of the NASL.
That's disgraceful man. You're fucking with his career and the hardwork of otther people.
There's a difference between making fun of who people are and who people aren't. I don't know InControl personally, but he doesn't strike me as evil or incomptent or deserving of all the criticism that gets leveled at him.
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On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident.
When 75%+ of those posts are made by the same few users, I think it does.
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On February 25 2011 04:15 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:12 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 04:10 vdale wrote:
This thread is horrible. Who cares what Incontrol does as long as the casting is good. This isn't politics. Unfortunately we are wired to create politics and drama. On February 25 2011 04:10 ptbl wrote:
I'm surprised we haven't received an official statement from an NASL official like Russ or Xeris regarding Incontrol's incident. Hearing from them would go a long ways IMO. This is an incredibly minor incident that is being blown way out of proportion... When we have nearly 1000 posts (700+ on Reddit, 300+ on Team Liquid) on Incontrol's transgression, it at least means the community doesn't think it's a minor incident.
Having 1000 posts of anything doesn't give any weight to anything. It can as easily mean people are just inflating the issue. I'm sure if you wade through the smut you would be left with fasr less.
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On February 25 2011 04:13 tsularesque wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:10 .Aar wrote:On February 25 2011 04:06 TheWahbinator wrote:
ok can we really stop ripping him to shreds? It's blatant that he's apologized time and time again. Along with that I've seen much more good done to outweigh this small transgression.
The one thing I may be a bit weary about is the ban, since IMO it's something that should've been dealt with outside the site, but it's already finished.
Stop beating the dead hors- oh dear why did I say that I really want to see this thing get off the ground, but I disagree. For esports to grow, we need people like Day[9] - friendly and at the same time professional. I am a fan of iNcontrol, but it doesn't take more than one SotG listen to figure out that there are some things that might tick people off. And when you're undertaking a risky venture that depends on people buying your product, you don't want to tick people off. That said, can we get back to Q&A? This has been discussed to death already. Watch day9 cast chill v combatx. Then watch him now. You can see the HUGE difference between 'community member' and 'face of sc2'. Right now iNcontroL is making that transition. One day he'll be able to quote his own bear semen all over people and we'll all go "lololol" at it. Let's go with it.
But I liked the horse rant, and artosis' origin story 
I'd pay 20 dollars for a redub of the VODs with Geoff trolling and ranting about the players' mistakes!
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