EPTPeople might argue with you now, but an overwhelming, if not unanimous portion of TL desperately wants NASL to succeed. Try not to give people reasons to dislike you, and by association, not want to support NASL.
[Q&A] Official NASL Thread - Page 48
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Hozer
United States18 Posts
People might argue with you now, but an overwhelming, if not unanimous portion of TL desperately wants NASL to succeed. Try not to give people reasons to dislike you, and by association, not want to support NASL. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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ShadowLegacy
Canada55 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:45 iNcontroL wrote: floor exercise I can totally understand your fervent anger with me. We've interacted on TL in the past and you were equally abrasive. If you didn't like my first apology how did the next 3 measure up? I clearly say I was wrong and it won't happen again. Did you want to just continue trying to find a way to assume I was doing more wrong? Did you happen to punch a cat while all this was going on Geoff ? I feel that is the next complaint people will have. Seriously though, can people accept the apology and just get back to Q&A ? | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:13 iNcontroL wrote: What? There IS a vendetta against me... I don't have to be paranoid to look at the fanaticism for people's hate and see that. My message has always been lets unite and do this right but some people take my non call-center personality to be some kind of huge road block to eSports growth which is hilarious because in attempting to lynch me they are doing more damage to said growth than 1 sarcastic remark from me could ever do. Believe what you want man. I can only tell you my perspective. If after everything I say you want to accuse me of lying I cannot very well prove anything else to you  Incontrol, you are a public figure in the starcraft community. In the SotG, it was mentioned that you were going to be the face of NASL. You need to uphold a higher sense of decorum and professionalism. There will be more scrutiny regarding your actions now. As the spokesperson for NASL, you should expect the ire of the public directed at you. Finally, Incontrol has apologized for the illegal stream and his other indiscretions. This is a good start. Thank you. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:45 iNcontroL wrote: floor exercise I can totally understand your fervent anger with me. We've interacted on TL in the past and you were equally abrasive. If you didn't like my first apology how did the next 3 measure up? I clearly say I was wrong and it won't happen again. Did you want to just continue trying to find a way to assume I was doing more wrong? I think the problem is your apology is great, but parts of it are flawed. You say you cannot figure out the GOM site because you are not good on comps, but a Skype screen shot shows you saying "I'm too famous" to buy the GOM stream or even use the GOM stream. People are hearing one thing and seeing another. Be consistent, but it seems you are going the right direction with the apology and such, so keep it coming Inc, just the change in your tone from a few days ago to now is a big step forward  . | ||
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Midj
Canada253 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:20 iNcontroL wrote: If I haven't made it clear yet let me make it really clear now: I was wrong. On multiple accounts. They were terrible decisions and poor behavior. As someone that now has more public attention these mistakes are amplified and made worse. I recognize that and will seek to improve every little detail of my life so I can be a better representative for everyone involved. Hey Geoff, I think this post more than any will undoubtedly end a metric shit-tonne of the bitching. | ||
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:37 iNcontroL wrote: why did you ignore all the parts where I said everything I did was wrong and I am sorry? Look, to me it sounds like you apologized to TL staff, and Jtv staff. If it was meant as an apology to e-sports as a whole, I'm sorry for my brashness. I just don't want esports to suffer because of this fiasco, and that is why I'm being so hard on you.I'm a big fan of you iNcontrol, that's why I'm being so hard on you. What really disturbed me is that comment about your fame. I'm going to love there being an NASL, I just want it to be represented properly, and not have the rest of the world laugh at a failed tournament. I don't want your personal issues to interfere with the success of this organization. ESPECIALLY after you hyped it soooo much, and got everyones hopes up. It's just a sickening blow to the moral of people that wish for a huge foreigner scene. Personally, my heart sank, my stomach became queasy when I heard of what you did. Even if you apologized, I'm so afraid of Esports in the west being effected by this. Maybe I'm just paranoid. Keep doing the good work, and I'm glad that you really legitimately listened to our concerns in this case. (If it was our concerns and not the disciplinary action from TL and Jtv.) | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I remember now that everyone was watching. I will stop joking on my stream. | ||
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Hadron.
Norway104 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:20 iNcontroL wrote: If I haven't made it clear yet let me make it really clear now: I was wrong. On multiple accounts. They were terrible decisions and poor behavior. As someone that now has more public attention these mistakes are amplified and made worse. I recognize that and will seek to improve every little detail of my life so I can be a better representative for everyone involved. If a mod is reading right now just end this right here and get this thread on topic again, and warn people who press the issue. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:51 iNcontroL wrote: I was joking with one of my friends on skype about that. I've made that joke many times in the past. I remember now that everyone was watching. I will stop joking on my stream. lol dont need to stop joking you are just human every human makes mistakes  guys lets just all stop this shit storm we all love starcraft so lets not ruin it | ||
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Creep
United States229 Posts
Hope this all blows over soon, and good luck with the NASL. | ||
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Hozer
United States18 Posts
I was joking with one of my friends on skype about that. I've made that joke many times in the past. I remember now that everyone was watching. I will stop joking on my stream. You can at least see why people would be upset? NASL should hire a PR to handle your interactions with public. Many representatives of products do this to prevent situations where you alienate large portions of your prime demographic. The PR person can act as a filter. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
I actually want to read the Q&A for this threat, but I have to wade through dozens of pages of garbage. If you don't like NASL or incontrol, dont watch it, but don't ruin it for the rest of us. @incontrol. i wouldn't respond to the posts in this thread anymore. the majority of posters are people who want to fling mud rather than have a productive conversation, and the majority of people who support you already have what they need. @xeris. is there going to be a response to tyler's blog? i have been refreshing but have missed it. rock on | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:51 TLOBrian wrote: Look, to me it sounds like you apologized to TL staff, and Jtv staff. If it was meant as an apology to e-sports as a whole, I'm sorry for my brashness. I just don't want esports to suffer because of this fiasco, and that is why I'm being so hard on you.I'm a big fan of you iNcontrol, that's why I'm being so hard on you. What really disturbed me is that comment about your fame. I'm going to love there being an NASL, I just want it to be represented properly, and not have the rest of the world laugh at a failed tournament. I don't want your personal issues to interfere with the success of this organization. ESPECIALLY after you hyped it soooo much, and got everyones hopes up. It's just a sickening blow to the moral of people that wish for a huge foreigner scene. Personally, my heart sank, my stomach became queasy when I heard of what you did. Even if you apologized, I'm so afraid of Esports in the west being effected by this. Maybe I'm just paranoid. Keep doing the good work, and I'm glad that you really legitimately listened to our concerns in this case. (If it was our concerns and not the disciplinary action from TL and Jtv.) I hear yea man. It's fine. I literally distilled everything down to "I was wrong, I am sorry" I've done this like 5 times now in the last 2 pages. I really am not looking for a way to make it sound like it's everyone elses fault. I really do KNOW and believe I was wrong. I will not be making jokes on my stream any more. It is very clear that I am a public figure that does not have a private life when i stream. If people see me messaging JP on skype "I'm too famous for that" and think I am %1 being serious than it isn't safe to do. | ||
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orotoss
United States298 Posts
You don't have to take all the little things he says seriously. The NASL hasn't even started. Let's stop shitting on incontrol and see how this first season goes. guys lets just all stop this shit storm we all love starcraft so lets not ruin it | ||
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:53 GizmoPT wrote: lol dont need to stop joking you are just human every human makes mistakes guys lets just all stop this shit storm we all love starcraft so lets not ruin it Agreed. Now all we need is a shovel and some disinfectant lol. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:51 TLOBrian wrote: Look, to me it sounds like you apologized to TL staff, and Jtv staff. If it was meant as an apology to e-sports as a whole, I'm sorry for my brashness. I just don't want esports to suffer because of this fiasco, and that is why I'm being so hard on you.I'm a big fan of you iNcontrol, that's why I'm being so hard on you. What really disturbed me is that comment about your fame. I'm going to love there being an NASL, I just want it to be represented properly, and not have the rest of the world laugh at a failed tournament. I don't want your personal issues to interfere with the success of this organization. ESPECIALLY after you hyped it soooo much, and got everyones hopes up. It's just a sickening blow to the moral of people that wish for a huge foreigner scene. Personally, my heart sank, my stomach became queasy when I heard of what you did. Even if you apologized, I'm so afraid of Esports in the west being effected by this. Maybe I'm just paranoid. Keep doing the good work, and I'm glad that you really legitimately listened to our concerns in this case. (If it was our concerns and not the disciplinary action from TL and Jtv.) Yeah, this issue of Incontrol indiscretions is amplified because he is the face of NASL. His actions can have a deep impact on esports in the west, so I can see why people are passionate about this incident. I believe we should give him a second chance. This doesn't mean we don't hold him accountable. If he commits another transgression in the future, then I think further actions will be needed. For now, let's accept his apology and move on. | ||
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paksam
143 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:37 iNcontroL wrote: why did you ignore all the parts where I said everything I did was wrong and I am sorry? I see why people say haters gonna hate now=\ | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:45 iNcontroL wrote: floor exercise I can totally understand your fervent anger with me. We've interacted on TL in the past and you were equally abrasive. If you didn't like my first apology how did the next 3 measure up? I clearly say I was wrong and it won't happen again. Did you want to just continue trying to find a way to assume I was doing more wrong? You don't see the issue with having a three stage apology where you slowly admit more and more guilt as though you are more interested in reaching a compromise where enough people are satisfied than you are at realizing the megalomaniacal insanity of going out of your way to punish people who speak ill of you and blaming some conspiracy of nerds for your actions? Have we truly had interactions in the past? I honestly don't recall. You seem to keep a list of everyone who has ever disagreed with you or something. I mean could it possibly be, after tearing apart event after event and cherishing your role as lead asshole on SOTG, that people just might actually be skeptical that you are the one to lead us to the esports promised land? Is that such an absurd concept to wrap your head around. That when all you can really do is put others down, you might not be the greatest spokesperson for something with such grandiose intentions as the NASL? I know, you are just "keepin it real" and "putting yourself out there" and you aren't a "call center personality" whatever that is, but how come you're the only one in the entire community who's allowed to put themselves out there without belonging to a conspiracy with the sole intent of bringing you down? | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
Win :D. | ||
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