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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12237 Posts
April 24 2013 03:25 GMT
#1461
On April 24 2013 11:56 Efemral wrote:
I found the opening post here so interesting.

I have a quick question. I recently switched from Zerg to Protoss and started with 5 placements. Placed into bronze, went to silver, then to gold.

As soon as I got to gold I went on a losing streak and it seemed like I was very outclassed.

So: According to the OP I should only have been promoted to gold after my MMR had been stable in the gold region for a period of time. Meaning that my feeling of being outclassed suddenly must be psychological?

I hope this is an ok thing to ask in this thread.


That's right. It's very common for people to think that they suddenly start playing against better players following their promotion, but the truth is that they've been facing those players for a while already.
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
April 24 2013 04:36 GMT
#1462
On April 24 2013 02:38 Mura19 wrote:
I know you don't care i got +2 pts per win and anyway whatever I say ladder system will always be perfect for you...


What's your ladder ranking? If you are high enough, the game may have trouble matching you with similarly skilled players in a reasonable time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
LordOfDabu
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
United States394 Posts
April 24 2013 05:05 GMT
#1463
I have that problem if I try to play wings of liberty now.

But of course, there's no reason to play it at this point, so it doesn't bother me much.
Think fast. Click faster.
HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 15:25:44
April 25 2013 13:25 GMT
#1464
- REMOVED BY USER -

Officially the founder of Team Property (:
JohnEldrich
Profile Joined April 2013
3 Posts
April 26 2013 16:54 GMT
#1465
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hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 20:31:08
April 29 2013 20:26 GMT
#1466
I'm sorry if this has been answered somewhere already. During the league lock can your MMR continue to change and also count toward the next season? I've always thought yes, but a masters league player just told me that it doesn't work like that so I've come here for reassurance.

So hypothetically, before the season lock lets say I was placing against mostly diamond league players with diamond league MMR. After the lock I improve my skill to the point where I'm consistently playing against masters league people and beating them most of the time. Would it be reasonable to assume I have a decent chance to be placed into masters when the new season begins?

Edit: Nevermind thanks anyway.

The hidden ratings used to determine promotions and demotions will continue to be used for matchmaking purposes, and will continue to update during the 2013 Season 2 lock. So if you play significantly better or worse than your assigned league at the time of the lock, you may find yourself in a different league when 2013 Season 3 begins (after you play your first placement match). Your games during the lock still count.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9572411/2013_Season_2_Lock_Incoming-4_22_2013
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 29 2013 20:31 GMT
#1467
On April 30 2013 05:26 hitpoint wrote:
I'm sorry if this has been answered somewhere already. During the league lock can your MMR continue to change and also count toward the next season? I've always thought yes, but a masters league player just told me that it doesn't work like that so I've come here for reassurance.

So hypothetically, before the season lock lets say I was placing against mostly diamond league players with diamond league MMR. After the lock I improve my skill to the point where I'm consistently playing against masters league people and beating them most of the time. Would it be reasonable to assume I have a decent chance to be placed into masters when the new season begins?

Yes, only the league is locked. MMR still changes.
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
May 02 2013 04:15 GMT
#1468
Hm, so how does it work with when GM opens with the new season? I thought usually the season begins on a Tuesday, and then one week later (Tuesday) at like 8 or 9 AM GM opens? But I believe this season began on a Wednesday at midnight or something, right? So does that mean that the GM opening is shifting, or something?
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
May 08 2013 00:23 GMT
#1469
On May 02 2013 13:15 Insane wrote:
Hm, so how does it work with when GM opens with the new season? I thought usually the season begins on a Tuesday, and then one week later (Tuesday) at like 8 or 9 AM GM opens? But I believe this season began on a Wednesday at midnight or something, right? So does that mean that the GM opening is shifting, or something?


For whatever reason, GM rolled over on a Wednesday (for NA) last season. So now, GM will go live sometime around Wednesday midnight (i.e., 3.5 hours from this post).
iggym
Profile Joined September 2012
United States49 Posts
May 08 2013 17:49 GMT
#1470
I'm speculating that the matchmaking selectively places you against people in your league if you have a borderline MMR.

At HotS release, I placed into plat, then was promoted into diamond shortly before the ladder reset. I played ~90% plat players until my promotion, and then it was 100% diamond. After the reset, I placed back into plat, then quickly worked my way up to diamond... but again, saw mostly plat players, got the promotion, then exclusively diamond players. It would be strange to see that happen unless the matchmaking is taking league into account; that is, placing me against plat players near a promotion when in plat, then diamond players flirting with demotion when in diamond.
Dynamaxion
Profile Joined August 2011
United States31 Posts
May 09 2013 07:44 GMT
#1471
Do unranked matches count towards your MMR?
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
May 09 2013 10:14 GMT
#1472
On May 09 2013 16:44 Dynamaxion wrote:
Do unranked matches count towards your MMR?


There is a separate MMR when you play unranked, but the two MMR scales are constantly being calibrated against each other because ranked and unranked players can be matched against each other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
GingerJesus
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Canada19 Posts
May 09 2013 19:33 GMT
#1473
This is very informative, I will be looking thisi over more thoroughly once I am done with the HOTS campaign
www.eschamp.com "Wise man say, forgiveness is divine but never pay full price for late pizza"
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
May 13 2013 03:03 GMT
#1474
I think the mixed match ladder pool of unranked vs ranked is very odd. I'm only in platinum and I've played a ton of 'unranked' masters lately. I don't normally win, I think I'm 2-4 vs them. I guess I just don't understand. They can beat me for nothing really, and I am likely to lose to them and it effects my ranked mmr. I really shouldn't be playing masters yet though but because their unranked mmr is lower I get matched vs them I guess?

Oh well.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
May 13 2013 03:23 GMT
#1475
On May 13 2013 12:03 crms wrote:
I think the mixed match ladder pool of unranked vs ranked is very odd. I'm only in platinum and I've played a ton of 'unranked' masters lately. I don't normally win, I think I'm 2-4 vs them. I guess I just don't understand. They can beat me for nothing really, and I am likely to lose to them and it effects my ranked mmr. I really shouldn't be playing masters yet though but because their unranked mmr is lower I get matched vs them I guess?

Oh well.


It does affect their MMR when they win, but they just don't have a visible rank to look at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 03:31:38
May 13 2013 03:30 GMT
#1476
On May 13 2013 12:23 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 12:03 crms wrote:
I think the mixed match ladder pool of unranked vs ranked is very odd. I'm only in platinum and I've played a ton of 'unranked' masters lately. I don't normally win, I think I'm 2-4 vs them. I guess I just don't understand. They can beat me for nothing really, and I am likely to lose to them and it effects my ranked mmr. I really shouldn't be playing masters yet though but because their unranked mmr is lower I get matched vs them I guess?

Oh well.


It does affect their MMR when they win, but they just don't have a visible rank to look at.


It only effects their unranked mmr from what I understand. So effectively, it's not really affecting anything*.

*in comparison to the person playing ranked.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
May 13 2013 05:45 GMT
#1477
On May 13 2013 12:30 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 12:23 Lysenko wrote:
On May 13 2013 12:03 crms wrote:
I think the mixed match ladder pool of unranked vs ranked is very odd. I'm only in platinum and I've played a ton of 'unranked' masters lately. I don't normally win, I think I'm 2-4 vs them. I guess I just don't understand. They can beat me for nothing really, and I am likely to lose to them and it effects my ranked mmr. I really shouldn't be playing masters yet though but because their unranked mmr is lower I get matched vs them I guess?

Oh well.


It does affect their MMR when they win, but they just don't have a visible rank to look at.


It only effects their unranked mmr from what I understand. So effectively, it's not really affecting anything*.

*in comparison to the person playing ranked.


MMR serves two purposes, first to determine one's opponents, and (distantly) second to drive the displayed league and ladder rankings. Unranked MMR may not affect the second, but it still affects the first, and you can't lose to someone too many times before you won't be matched against them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Toons
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia136 Posts
May 13 2013 23:53 GMT
#1478
Any clue on what the "leave league" function does yet Excal (have read your other posts), full MMR reset?
Probes and pylons
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12237 Posts
May 14 2013 00:30 GMT
#1479
On May 14 2013 08:53 Toons wrote:
Any clue on what the "leave league" function does yet Excal (have read your other posts), full MMR reset?


Still nothing on this, I'm afraid. Hoping to get some answers this week. I've been following up for months =(
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Toons
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia136 Posts
May 14 2013 04:21 GMT
#1480
On May 14 2013 09:30 Excalibur_Z wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 14 2013 08:53 Toons wrote:
Any clue on what the "leave league" function does yet Excal (have read your other posts), full MMR reset?


Still nothing on this, I'm afraid. Hoping to get some answers this week. I've been following up for months =(


All good, thanks for the response anyway.
Probes and pylons
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