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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
maybe at some point your going to solve it completely or something  | ||
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:27 Alejandrisha wrote: i think it actually is a bug. 21-0 in plat and still counting.. hitting 3600 masters so I think it knows enough to want to place me in sclass diamond or masters. i'll keep updating this though diamond after 23-0. going to see if its possible to hit masters without a loss. i think this would be pretty significant since there is an undefined sigma? i think it is s class diamond since sheth's old account is in my division but not sure.. probably is s class since it hasn't been filled entirely after all this time O_O | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:01 Alejandrisha wrote: diamond after 23-0. going to see if its possible to hit masters without a loss. i think this would be pretty significant since there is an undefined sigma? i think it is s class diamond since sheth's old account is in my division but not sure.. probably is s class since it hasn't been filled entirely after all this time O_O Master league made most S Rank diamond divisions pretty empty... | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:08 SDream wrote: Master league made most S Rank diamond divisions pretty empty... true didn't think of that. but sheth's presence alone is enough to confirm it for me | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12248 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:41 Alejandrisha wrote: i have never heard of a player being placed in diamond. do you have any accounts of this? tQState and I went 5-0 in 2v2 placements and got placed in Diamond. This wasn't possible before patch 1.2. I've also seen other accounts of people going 5-0 in 1v1 placements and being placed in Diamond. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:47 Excalibur_Z wrote: tQState and I went 5-0 in 2v2 placements and got placed in Diamond. This wasn't possible before patch 1.2. I've also seen other accounts of people going 5-0 in 1v1 placements and being placed in Diamond. very interesting. I guess it's just pot luck depending on who you hit during your placement matches | ||
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
 It answered almost all of my questions except 1.There are really no negative effects associated with going inactive. You don't get demoted from leagues due to inactivity. Your MMR does not decrease. Your points do not decrease. You say there are no negative effects, and that's probably true, but my question is doesn't your "uncertainty" factor increase the longer you don't play? I remember I took a month off from playing 1v1 and when I came back my first two games were against a 3100 Masters (pwned lol) and then an 1100 Diamond player. That seems like quite the extreme deviation and I can only imagine it happened because my uncertainty factor magnified while I hadn't played in a long time. Especially now that I'm playing 1v1 more now I'm facing more consistent players in terms of rating. It would make sense because the longer you don't play the more "rusty" you get. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12248 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:59 genius_man16 wrote: Wow, what a FANTASTIC post! :D Thank you to everyone who contributed for putting in the effort to put this all together. That was a great read and I learned a lot! It answered almost all of my questions except 1.You say there are no negative effects, and that's probably true, but my question is doesn't your "uncertainty" factor increase the longer you don't play? I remember I took a month off from playing 1v1 and when I came back my first two games were against a 3100 Masters (pwned lol) and then an 1100 Diamond player. That seems like quite the extreme deviation and I can only imagine it happened because my uncertainty factor magnified while I hadn't played in a long time. Especially now that I'm playing 1v1 more now I'm facing more consistent players in terms of rating. It would make sense because the longer you don't play the more "rusty" you get. We don't believe inactivity increases your uncertainty (though it does in similar systems such as TrueSkill). That 1100 Diamond player probably had like 2k bonus pool remaining =) | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
On February 23 2011 00:58 Excalibur_Z wrote: That's a good point about tier nomenclature, I just numbered them from the top down to make it easier to read. I think I'll leave it as is though, since it really only affects people like us who are actively doing this research. The moving average stabilization thing has to be true because otherwise you would have people getting promoted in the middle of long win streaks, which doesn't happen (or at least isn't common). Naturally I'd enjoy seeing more accurate data from all ranges of players. What I really want to see is examples of players or teams across all leagues that gain exactly +12 points (excluding bonus pool) for a win and causing their opponents to lose exactly -12 points in the same game. =] Well, at least for me, I think the reason we don't see this happen is because once someone goes on a long win streak, his moving average still hasn't caught up, and it wasn't high enough before to promote him. A lot of data sets from players (my SEA 1's included) show examples of someone losing 3 or 4 games after a long winning streak and then being promoted after a win. However, their simple moving averages (at least over 10 or more games) were still increasing the entire time. (And I suppose I'm tempted to agree about the division tier naming. At least, until we have completely corroborated evidence both what the tier offsets are and how numerous, and how many players go into each, there's no use in renaming them a third time.) | ||
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MuteZephyr
Lithuania448 Posts
In short, when you say "running average" do you mean an average that takes in every single game and divides by the total number of games played, or one that takes an average for a period of games at a time? Wikipedia (from what I gather, it's a bit vague) seems to point at the latter. I'm concerned because I wouldn't want to play so many games that my total average will barely move with each win, thus cementing me in my current league without going on a 200-0 tear. Is this the case? I've been worried about this since beta Thanks for the great write-up excal! Answered all my questions except for the above! :D | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
For example, let's say two players are matched together, Player A with 1500 MMR and 0 points and Player B with 1000 MMR and 0 points. Each player would see the other as Favored and would either earn many or lose few points depending on the outcome. If Player A won, because Player A's MMR is larger than Player B's by a fairly large margin, the MMRs of each player would not change very much. If Player B won, B's MMR would rise and A's MMR would fall to a greater extent than if A had won. I'm confused about this paragraph. Why would Player A see Player B as favored even though Player A's MMR is significantly higher? | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On February 23 2011 09:33 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I'm confused about this paragraph. Why would Player A see Player B as favored even though Player A's MMR is significantly higher? Im confused by that paragraph also can you clarify?. And is there a way to telll which diamond tier you are in? | ||
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