EPTWell technically what we speak in America is old british, it was only after the revolution, in the 1800s that they started their well known accent: "the British accent 'RP' (which developed in the private boarding schools of the nineteenth century, and is associated with high prestige groups in England)." more here http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/accent.cfm. So, although the fact that the UK English is "butchered" can be disagreed with, he is actually legitimate in considering it a "butchering" of the English language.
Interview with Code A caster KellyMilkies - Page 7
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
Well technically what we speak in America is old british, it was only after the revolution, in the 1800s that they started their well known accent: "the British accent 'RP' (which developed in the private boarding schools of the nineteenth century, and is associated with high prestige groups in England)." more here http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/accent.cfm. So, although the fact that the UK English is "butchered" can be disagreed with, he is actually legitimate in considering it a "butchering" of the English language. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
2) Not knowing the names of the units is a big thing, not everyone can be like Artosis and Chill, but Tasteless has his gems of knowledge and adds a huge amount of entertainment value. I dislike it when I feel like I have more knowledge of what's happening than the casters. I'm sure she can learn what hellions are by next cast. All in all I think she will improve. I didn't like the decision to begin with, I'm not sure I like her professionalism. However, from the start of the cast to the end was a huge difference in comfort between the two of them. I think it will only get better, and it definately should get better if GOM wants to keep the foreigner Code A audience. One of the biggest improvements tonight from the previous youtube clips I've seen was that she slowed down quite a bit, she was almost too calm (awkward even) at the start. I can definately see her fitting in, but the accent is going to really need to get better to get my full seal of approval. I'm not entirely sure how quickly one can change something like that, so we'll see. Edit: Thanks for the interview Seltzer, was interesting. | ||
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optical630
United Kingdom768 Posts
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
I'm still not comfortable listening to her or watching her. The enunciation is still the big kick in the teeth for me, an accent is one thing such as rotterdam's, but Kelly has an entirely different problem that can't even be related to Rotterdam. I also felt pretty uncomfortable when the touching of tasteless' shoulder started happening, I really want to like Kelly and her casting, i'm just finding it very hard to do so. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1170 Posts
Remember though, for every person that's turned off watching, that's one less person who is supporting the game. That's just how I feel about the matter, I'm not giving any judgement in this post. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:16 DeMusliM wrote: She certainly looked more comfortable by the end of the cast which was nice to see, first time casting infront of camera is a really rattling experience and i'm glad she kept her composure and improved through out. I'm still not comfortable listening to her or watching her. The enunciation is still the big kick in the teeth for me, an accent is one thing such as rotterdam's, but Kelly has an entirely different problem that can't even be related to Rotterdam. I also felt pretty uncomfortable when the touching of tasteless' shoulder started happening, I really want to like Kelly and her casting, i'm just finding it very hard to do so. DeMuslim is actually Henry Higgins! I think you've just found your Eliza Doolittle!  | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
 . If kelly takes her time when pronouncing some words I think she will do a lot better. And tbh, she's no worse than SDM (who I kinda disliked when I started watching pro matches :/) | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
But you know who I would like to see casting? Gretorp! That would be amazing. | ||
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Alphaes
United States651 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:03 confusedcrib wrote: Well technically what we speak in America is old british, it was only after the revolution, in the 1800s that they started their well known accent: "the British accent 'RP' (which developed in the private boarding schools of the nineteenth century, and is associated with high prestige groups in England)." more here http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/accent.cfm. So, although the fact that the UK English is "butchered" can be disagreed with, he is actually legitimate in considering it a "butchering" of the English language. First I've heard of this. Quite an interesting development. | ||
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Annq
Germany104 Posts
I am improving my own english skills by listening to Artosis and Tasteless. Now I cannot do it any longer (at least not during Code A) due to that accent. There should always be a native english speaker commenting the GSL | ||
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rePhy
New Zealand10 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:45 floor exercise wrote: Her voice is just terrible. I don't know how you can fix that, it just isn't pleasant to listen to, it's really disjointing when she starts talking Give her a couple of days, I don't feel like her accent is so distracting from the game and she should have shown today that she does have a decent degree of knowledge of the game. I think people are being too harsh on her too early. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
If anything I think the people that aren't already banned for a week are being extremely understanding, but the first point is she shouldn't have been hired in the first place. I don't think I will be giving GOM an easy time about that one. | ||
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MuteZephyr
Lithuania448 Posts
The accent is annoying (sounds like she is doing baby-talk, every 'r' becomes a 'w'), but understandable and most likely something I could get used to. Me knowing more about the game than a caster in the biggest SC2 tournament in the world? Well, that's not ok. EDIT: "A little bit of racing car play" That one moment more than speaks for my concerns. | ||
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BroodjeBaller
125 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:05 SimDawg wrote: 1) It's an English cast, we should be able to expect a certain level of competency in speaking english. When she talks fast there are times when she doesn't even structure sentences correctly. Her accent is thick. I can listen to many foreign casters. In fact, I think Rotterdam is fantastic, and he has an accent, but it does not effect his job. 2) Not knowing the names of the units is a big thing, not everyone can be like Artosis and Chill, but Tasteless has his gems of knowledge and adds a huge amount of entertainment value. I dislike it when I feel like I have more knowledge of what's happening than the casters. I'm sure she can learn what hellions are by next cast. All in all I think she will improve. I didn't like the decision to begin with, I'm not sure I like her professionalism. However, from the start of the cast to the end was a huge difference in comfort between the two of them. I think it will only get better, and it definately should get better if GOM wants to keep the foreigner Code A audience. One of the biggest improvements tonight from the previous youtube clips I've seen was that she slowed down quite a bit, she was almost too calm (awkward even) at the start. I can definately see her fitting in, but the accent is going to really need to get better to get my full seal of approval. I'm not entirely sure how quickly one can change something like that, so we'll see. Edit: Thanks for the interview Seltzer, was interesting. You think she didnt know the name of helions because she called them racecars once in a while? If so then you should listen better next time because she had already called them helions before that moment. She has enough game knowlegde to let people know what is happening. In fact I think she was quite fast in noticing what was happening. Considering first day nerves she didnt make that many mistakes at all. She made some jokes and didnt choke so she did just fine. A shoutcasters job is to inform and entertain the viewers. Its not needed to give a full ingame analysis a la day9 while shoutcasting. Look at khaldor for example. At the winter assembly he entertained people very well eventhough many people didnt understand a word he was saying (he spoke german). Also when you look at other sports/games you dont hear shoutcasters giving a complete analysis. It isnt their job to do that so I dont understand why people expect this. Day9 himself is also a good example, note the difference between his shoutcasts and his dailies. And lol at people expecting her to teach them english and improve their ingame skills. | ||
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MichaelEU
Netherlands816 Posts
On February 21 2011 22:11 optical630 wrote: i thought she was ok today, but if english isnt your first language, i think it would be hard for you to understand her I"ve seen plenty of native speakers post here who have trouble understanding her and plenty of non-native speakers such as myself who don't get that problem at all. Really, I don't get the problem at all. | ||
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Myrdin
United Kingdom47 Posts
Saying this I don't think Gom branching out to new casters is a bad idea, just that they may not have made the best choice here. *however I can understand how non naitve engish speakers struggle with it. EDIT: I understand it is a casters job not only to inform, but also entertain and she did well in the entertaining part, my point was just I felt she was very slow on the informing part, I found myself looking at the production tab most of the time just to see what was going on. | ||
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