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Mr_Kyo
United States269 Posts
Multiple accounts would be a horrible idea. Ladder Rankings would be flooded so many smurf accounts and ruin things like being in top 10% or being top 1000 in your server. You'll never be able to determine this (or come close). It would be like taking 2v2 (preset teams)'s rankings seriously--too many teams. The correct solution would be able to use their ladder system for unranked games. Also, people have been QQing about these same issues for a year now. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
-Choosing a map/opponent in ladder would be dumb because that pretty much takes away the entire ladder experience as ladder is supposed to be random. Ladder helps more with tourneys because you dont know every map and opponent your gonna face. -More accounts would just clog up the ladder divisions with tons of people that didn't play. So yes you will pretty much have to suck it up and get your ass handed to you a bunch of time as your skill just wouldn't be where its supposed to be or join a custom game. Playing against a computer to get down timings is fine if you have to worry about what the opponent is doing. | ||
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Oxb
199 Posts
(Maybe they're still the same as beta, could be, but that was BETA not the actual game, I wasn't lucky enough/didn't try enough to get a beta key if they'd changed the map pool after 2months i'd feel WTF why do they change the map pool so damn often, possibly together with a bunch of other people who never had beta. What I mean is there are two parties involved, not just people who play since early beta days.) Some extra options like "find custom game vs.Y map: A" Would be amazing though to practise specific match ups. However could get you in an endless waiting line if there is no Y that is also looking for a custom game on map: A. (not likely with the player base sc2 has) Would be great non the less, and i'd love to see that implanted. Now i think about it, that would greatly improve the game online experience/quality. I however think for laddering that random opponent, random map is the only way to go. Else playerX can just play MapA he likes a lot, vs race Y (his best match up) all day and be 'at the top' in no time, without actually being good. I'm also big in favor of having 1 'off-account' attached to your main account, so you could mess around a bit with other races/lower leagues. I am in favor though, that you could see in a players profile that it is an 'off-account' or 'main-account' together with a link to the players main/off-account profile. To 'avoid' people who go to low lvl leagues to just get easy cheese wins, and then lose on purpose for 50times just to stay in bronze, that's no fun for low level players either. I feel your friend makes a big mistake comparing all the good things a 12year old game has gotten over it's life spam to a half a year old game. Edit: typo | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On February 12 2011 19:36 blith wrote: I just don't see how they are "supporting E-sports"... Okay a lot of people need to realize something: Blizzard is an entertainment company, NOT an eSports organization. In my opinion, anything they do for eSports is more than they're 'obligated' to, because that's NOT the reason their company exists. We should be grateful that they're listening to the competitive community and attempting to better eSports. Also, I think we have to wait. I think a lot of these issues will be fixed in the future. Hell, some of it might not even be that far away. The PTR is testing five new maps right now, we could see some of those in the near future. This game is young. Release was July right? That's six months, and we've had progress since then. Basically, give it some time, and don't feel entitled that because you play SC2, Blizzard is required to listen to your every whim. | ||
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ikona
Poland47 Posts
Also while i guess most of you are fine playing 1v1's over and over again, but a little variety would'nt hurt. More official game modes with MM and ladders would be oh so cool for casuals. It might get figured out by modders pretty much and many awesome UMS will prosper but i understand matchmaking is impossible without blizzard implementing it for custom games. Generally Sc2 feels so beta'ish. Anyways fingers crossed for Hots. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
The best solution is probably to just add all those maps to the ladder map pool and then maybe design a more sophisticated system for which maps you don't want to play on, or do want to play on. An alternative might be to let people create seperate ladders: create an interface a map needs to have to rank players participating in it, and then you can just select several of those maps for a ladder for people to play on that uses the Blizzard matchmaking. If Blizzard is afraid of there being too many ladders, they could limit it to organizations such as GSL, team liquid, ESL. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
You need to remember that Sc2 is a competitive game. Ladder means nothing, it's just a tool for light practice and / or casual play. Tournaments are the REAL sc2. If the ladder bothers you, then you might want to play customs. Blizzard makes the game. The community makes the maps and the tournaments. That's it. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On February 13 2011 01:16 raf3776 wrote: The game JUST came out! Starcraft 1 took a good while before it became the game it is today. . How many times does this need to be posted? Can't we just ban this statement? Firstly it didn't 'just come out' and secondly it should BUILD on what Starcraft did. They are not going from scratch here at all. This stupid fucking comment posted in every thread should be banned, seriously it's stupid. | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On February 13 2011 01:18 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Okay a lot of people need to realize something: Blizzard is an entertainment company, NOT an eSports organization. In my opinion, anything they do for eSports is more than they're 'obligated' to, because that's NOT the reason their company exists. We should be grateful that they're listening to the competitive community and attempting to better eSports. Maybe it's BLIZZARD who needs to realize this then, and let actual eSports companies control the proscene? Why should we have to suck up to Blizzard because they say something about supporting eSports now and then, wheres their actions to back up these words? I'd prefer they just keep out of it completely. Balance your game, fix Bnet and leave it be. Leave the proscene to be run by others. I think we'd all be much happier if there was already SC2 proleague and MSL2/OSL2 and divisions for SC2 in each major proteam, but it was Blizzard who decided they wanted more of the pie than completely free mass promotion and advertisement. Other companies would kill to have their games played professionally on TV regularly as promotion, yet Blizzard decides that isn't enough for them. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
also How many times does this need to be posted? Can't we just ban this statement? Firstly it didn't 'just come out' and secondly it should BUILD on what Starcraft did. They are not going from scratch here at all. This stupid fucking comment posted in every thread should be banned, seriously it's stupid You clearly did not play SC1 at all in the first 2 years of its exisitance. Or were old enough to realise it. SC1 was barely playable competitively until Brood War and subsequent patches came out (over a year later). Yes I agree they should of built on that system, but clearly they didnt. So getting your panties in a twist over the timeframe to fix all the issues and bashing people who mention the relative short timeframe of SC2's lifespan isnt helping anyone. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On February 12 2011 19:36 blith wrote: Wow, I agree with so many things in this post. I mean battle 2.0 seems like more of a downgrade then an upgrade. no cross realm play, no lan, no clan system, even chat took a while to implement. Clan war function woulda be great, change of map pool- as u mentioned I just don't see how they are "supporting E-sports"... They are supporting Bobby Kotick's wallet. It's kind of a joke that these things aren't implemented yet to be honest. And yes the SC2 ladder demotivates me from playing the game lately. We need better maps first of all. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On February 13 2011 01:18 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Okay a lot of people need to realize something: Blizzard is an entertainment company, NOT an eSports organization. In my opinion, anything they do for eSports is more than they're 'obligated' to, because that's NOT the reason their company exists. I don't have any links to a source, but I'm 100% sure I've heard Blizzard saying they want SC2 to become an e-sport, they even have an e-sport team working... We should be grateful that they're listening to the competitive community and attempting to better eSports. Really? REALLY? hahaha hahaha Blizzard needs SC2 to become an e-sport. To become that SC2 needs to be competitive. The community is their best source to model SC2 as it should be. | ||
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bobq
United States136 Posts
The multiple accounts concept is one that I think more people care about, but you mention and then totally ignore smurfing, which I think is Blizzard's main fear with this. Sure, there's something to be gained from playing against people below your normal level, but again that's something you can accomplish through custom games. If you can't find any platinum players who want to be walked all over by someone in high masters, I don't think Blizz should be building in functionality to let you beat up on newbs without them having a chance to say no. I think there is potentially a case for a limited (I've thought maybe 1 per race) number of accounts (or even just separate ladder rankings) per key as a way to allow people to off-race without leading to excessive smurfing. Generally, I think all the posts like this are coming from people who are very serious about the game and they tend not to consider that Blizzard is trying to balance the competing interests of many different user groups here. Sure, they want to make the best game possible for serious professional level players, but not at the expense of making the multiplayer experience awful for lower level players with an excess of smurfing (see PA comic below). Similarly, the new custom game interface isn't really optimal for serious players trying to grind out practice games, but if WC3 is any indication there's a whole community of people whose entire SC2 multiplayer experience will be a few practice league games and a billion custom games, and this new system might be just right for them. As to the maps, I suspect (well, really just hope) they'll be releasing more in time, and will start including fan favorite custom maps and GSL/other third party maps. It's also possible that as time goes by and the percentage of players who are playing competitively goes up, Blizzard's priorities will change and we'll start to see them focus more on designing just for top-tier players, but I think they're still trying to attract new players at this phase of the game's lifecycle, rather than worrying about keeping old ones. ![[image loading]](http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020726h.gif) | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
How long must this go on until people either stop playing or stop complaining? | ||
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
When I go back and play BW, one of the worst things about it is trying to find a suitable game on b.net (none of my friends play anymore, and I can't really play on Iccup since I have a mac). With SC2 it is just SO easy to jump on and find a game in seconds, which I love. Ideally, it would be awesome to have a mix of BW ladder and SC2 ladder. Able to set up games with any maps and play against whoever you want, but also be able to use a matchmaking system. I'm sure there are plenty of problems with that system (i.e. map pool of custom games vs map pool of matchmaking games), but I still think they could find a nice middle ground between that and the current system. | ||
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Mwentworth56
146 Posts
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On February 13 2011 01:18 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Okay a lot of people need to realize something: Blizzard is an entertainment company, NOT an eSports organization. In my opinion, anything they do for eSports is more than they're 'obligated' to, because that's NOT the reason their company exists. We should be grateful that they're listening to the competitive community and attempting to better eSports. Also, I think we have to wait. I think a lot of these issues will be fixed in the future. Hell, some of it might not even be that far away. The PTR is testing five new maps right now, we could see some of those in the near future. This game is young. Release was July right? That's six months, and we've had progress since then. Basically, give it some time, and don't feel entitled that because you play SC2, Blizzard is required to listen to your every whim. It always makes me happy to see that there are still sane people left in the world. Also, all you iCCup people did this to yourselves-- Blizzard doesn't want to lose control over SC2 the way this did over BW. That's life. | ||
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MrTng
69 Posts
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