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Quixoticism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States80 Posts
February 09 2011 03:07 GMT
#21
I seem to remember them talking about this a while ago that when expansions come out the multiplayer will be updated for everyone who owns SC2. This makes the most sense to me as there wouldn't be a ladder split dividing up the player base, making a larger community of gamers for the esport, and only one game to balance(considering the extra units, etc) This also makes it so that when LotV comes out there won't be another split, making 3 different ladders.

We'll see when HotS comes out.
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Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
February 09 2011 03:37 GMT
#22
On February 09 2011 12:07 Quixoticism wrote:
I seem to remember them talking about this a while ago that when expansions come out the multiplayer will be updated for everyone who owns SC2. This makes the most sense to me as there wouldn't be a ladder split dividing up the player base, making a larger community of gamers for the esport, and only one game to balance(considering the extra units, etc) This also makes it so that when LotV comes out there won't be another split, making 3 different ladders.

We'll see when HotS comes out.


This is what I remember them saying at Blizzcon when they announced the Trilogy, but the Kotaku post says otherwise and it post-dates the Blizzcon discussion. I can't find any transcript of the original Blizzcon conversation where they said they wanted to give people the multiplayer update for free.
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AnodyneSea
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Jamaica757 Posts
February 09 2011 03:40 GMT
#23
On February 09 2011 12:07 Quixoticism wrote:
I seem to remember them talking about this a while ago that when expansions come out the multiplayer will be updated for everyone who owns SC2. This makes the most sense to me as there wouldn't be a ladder split dividing up the player base, making a larger community of gamers for the esport, and only one game to balance(considering the extra units, etc) This also makes it so that when LotV comes out there won't be another split, making 3 different ladders.

We'll see when HotS comes out.



Uh... they've already said they're doing what they've always done, separate ladders for each game.
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universalwill
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States654 Posts
February 09 2011 03:43 GMT
#24
gsl and other tournaments will immediately switch to HotS. WoL multiplayer will die completely.

i wonder what blizzard is going to do about multiplayer... it cannot be a good idea to make people pay more for the game they already own just to keep up with everything. but that's probably going to end up happening.
MementoMori
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada419 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 04:02:47
February 09 2011 03:45 GMT
#25
I feel like I'm missing the point of this thread... When HotS comes out every competitive player is going to switch. The game adds new units in multiplayer so there can't be one ladder for both. Judging from what blizzard has done in the past and just common sense, there will be one ladder for HotS and one ladder for vanilla.
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WyrdWolf
Profile Joined October 2010
United States17 Posts
February 09 2011 03:46 GMT
#26
They should definitely just make the whole ladder into HotS once it comes out. Wouldn't you feel like you're playing behind the times if you were on the WoL ladder while the HotS ladder was out? I'm assuming it'll be like BW was--add a couple units for each race, and thus change the game quite drastically.

Did people still play StarCraft (original) ladder seriously once BW came out and got established? Won't it just be the same situation?
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
February 09 2011 03:52 GMT
#27
I was under the impression that the transition was going to work (somewhat similar to WoW, or Halo: ODST if anyone's familiar) in that anyone who purchases the new expansion gets anything and everything UN-related to multiplayer (campaign, challenges, etc) was going to be expansion exclusive, but the multiplayer would essentially be a "link" between the two "different" games where everyone would have the same "multiplayer module" (any new units and maps) and no matter which game you queued on it would just be multiplayer period.

However I would be completely unsurprised if they just made them segregated
lofung
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 04:09:50
February 09 2011 04:09 GMT
#28
hint: its activision-blizzard, not blizzard.
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 04:11:50
February 09 2011 04:10 GMT
#29
They will not shut down the ladders for 1v1s in WoL ofcourse..
That'd be a complete robbery of all the people who bought wol!
It's like they'd like knock on your door when sc2 came out, and they'd be all like "give BW back, we've got a new starcraft now!"

Edit:
On February 09 2011 13:09 lofung wrote:
hint: its activision-blizzard, not blizzard.

Oh shit, that's true.. Expect a guy looking like the PC guy from the mac commercial knocking on your door at the release date ^^
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KiF1rE
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States964 Posts
February 09 2011 04:13 GMT
#30
On February 09 2011 12:40 AnodyneSea wrote:
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On February 09 2011 12:07 Quixoticism wrote:
I seem to remember them talking about this a while ago that when expansions come out the multiplayer will be updated for everyone who owns SC2. This makes the most sense to me as there wouldn't be a ladder split dividing up the player base, making a larger community of gamers for the esport, and only one game to balance(considering the extra units, etc) This also makes it so that when LotV comes out there won't be another split, making 3 different ladders.

We'll see when HotS comes out.



Uh... they've already said they're doing what they've always done, separate ladders for each game.


yeah that old comment about merging the multiplayer in the trilogy was quite old, and i cant find anything relating to that any more, as it was back way before beta, and there isnt a single easily searchable transcript i can find. The old comment the way i understood it was that each expansion would essentially be a stand alone game with multiplayer between the three of them.

But thats been a long time since we heard anything on that front in regards to an alternative system, and a blue on the beta forums said a while ago that it would work just like WC3 and its expansion. Obviously i cant link it since those forums vanished, but i remember it because i was ranting on ventrillo about how they changed their plan on that aspect.
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
February 09 2011 04:25 GMT
#31
This is really interesting thing.

Do they have 2 different ladders, kill WOL and have just the HOTS ladder or do they make 1 ladder for both games somehow!?

Its a really interesting question and I'm not sure if even Blizzard knows what its going to do at this date.
eLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1039 Posts
February 09 2011 04:29 GMT
#32
I think they'll have two ladders. It works out anyways, because when people don't like the new ladder, they'll be able to boycott and go back to the WoL ladder, which I can see happening cause people get pretty angry about that kind of stuff.
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
February 09 2011 04:31 GMT
#33
As long as I can still veto maps like Steppes, delta, and LT when HOTS comes around, I'll be happy .
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TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
February 09 2011 04:40 GMT
#34
It'll probably be the same way it worked with WC3 and Frozen Throne. People without TFT can still play, but only with other people that don't have TFT. WoL won't be patched after HotS. That would be silly. HotS is itself a giant patch.
Stil
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
February 09 2011 04:41 GMT
#35
They'd only need to think about new ladders or not *if* HOTS adds new elements (units, maps, mechanics) to the multiplayer game. If the multiplayer experience is identical to WOL then they might not bother with another ladder. or simply reset and call it a new season or something.

Of course, it's quite likely they *would* include extra stuff for multiplayer - but had to go there.

Does anyone remember age of empires 3? It had several expansions. I think each had their own different ladders as you couldn't play players with vanilla if you had either of the expansions. If you had one expansion you could play someone with an expansion you didn't however (I think that's right). If any new content and strats are *balanced(TM)* with WOL content then I don't see why they couldnt merge WOL and HOTS games and ladders - In vanilla wow you can play in the same world as those who have the expansions. I think it's more incentive to stay on equal footing with the crowd and might sell more copies *shrugs*

As has been mentioned already, I think though we'll see separate ladders for each game.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
February 09 2011 04:51 GMT
#36
Of course it will have different ladders, unless Blizz won't add new unit in multiplayers which is impossible.
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Smigi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States328 Posts
February 09 2011 05:54 GMT
#37
On February 09 2011 12:05 red_b wrote:
EA shuts off the servers every time a new madden comes out.

In days past I would not have thought Blizz would do that, but now, I think they will.


I agree, and have also noticed this.

I think WoL servers will be up after HotS comes out, but maybe for a couple months until everyone has made the transition.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
February 09 2011 06:06 GMT
#38
I wonder, if they keep separate ladders, what happens if HoTS turns out to be incredibly broken? Say they add something, or take something away that completely wrecks the game. Would everyone still stay on the WoL servers? What if Blizz threatened to shut them down, would we make our own?
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War Horse
Profile Joined January 2011
United States247 Posts
February 09 2011 06:19 GMT
#39
It will be separate ladders, but it will be like WoL gets shut down

because literally no one will be playing WoL
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RukKus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States197 Posts
February 09 2011 06:35 GMT
#40
What will be different for HotS? Are there going to be new units in Multiplayer??? Are they going to replace old units? Man, talk about a difficulty incorporating new balance when it takes so much keeping the current system balanced! But Blizz does it well, so though I am scared I trust it'll be more epic than ever.

this coming from a guy who just doesn't like change
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