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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 18:18:50
February 07 2011 04:35 GMT
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New Maps!


First, a note: Jungle Basin, Steppes of War, and Delta Quadrant have been removed from the map pool. Lost Temple, Xel'Naga Caverns, and Metalopolis have been modified to prevent blocking off the ramp with 3 pylons or two bunkers. GOM statisticians have done the math and determined that this change will increase the average lifespan of Zerg players by about five years due to decreased stress.

The most intriguing changes to the map pool, however, are the new maps. Let's take a look at the battlefields we'll be seeing next season!

Crevasse

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The first thing on Crevasse that jumps out is the number of expansions. Look at all those beautiful minerals -- none of which have destructible rocks blocking them! Already I am getting excited at the prospect of a long, drawn out TvT on this map, with the battle being all about who can gain an advantageous position in the center. I think this map will really reward players who plan their play out, not just in TvT, but in any matchup where taking and holding space is possible (read: mainly TvX).

Note that the 4 middle expansions have a single gas and only 6 mineral patches, making them less desirable.

This map is large, but the center looks cramped due to the various cliffs, ramps, destructible rock walls, and impassible terrain. It really would not take very many tanks for a Terran to secure 3 1/2 expansions against a Zerg ground army (although I might be underestimating the size of the center… It's sort of difficult to get a sense of scale just from looking at pictures). On that note, Zergs really shouldn't be going heavy ground against Terran or Protoss on this map. Just thinking about battles between tanks or Colossi against roach/hydra in the middle of this map is making me cringe. A harass-oriented playstyle is the way to go here. Delaying the ability of the Terran or Protoss to control the middle will be important.

A final note that I think will become a theme on these new maps: Protoss players can easily take three bases here and turtle until they have a powerful Colossus-based death ball. We'll have to see how Zerg players deal with that. Initial reports from Korea seem to be that they're not currently handling it well, but that might change.


Crossfire SE

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A map loosely based on the SC:BW map Peaks of Baekdu, Crossfire SE looks like a map where armies would get lost trying to find the enemy. With enough bridges and ramps to make Euler's head spin, this map seems like a place where it's important to know the location of the enemy's main force at all times, and to also know where that force can go and what it can easily attack. This map is so long that base trading situations might arise due to armies not being able to return to defend their main before it gets entirely leveled.

The two Xel'Naga towers here are more critical than they are on any other map in the pool, since they can see any route that a scout tries to take to the area past the tower. The space around the towers seems well-suited for tanks for this same reason. A single siege line can defend four expansions at once.

Muta and void ray harass on the mineral lines at the third base, the main, and the gold seems like it would be difficult; it looks like the sides of the map guard those two locations much like the baseline helps guard the hoop in basketball. Muta play in general seems strong here, though, because of the distance between expansions.

Much like Crevasse, thinking about Zerg engaging Protoss death balls in the slightly cramped center is making me cry. We'll have to see how Zergs play the map without being able to attack the Protoss army head on.

It occurs to me that Colossi will be very susceptible to VIking harass when they are in the middle of the map on those three bridges. We see a lot of that sort of harass on Xel'Naga Caverns around that large central pit and I think we'll be seeing it a lot more on this map from smart Terrans.


Terminus Re

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So many expos! So many free expos! Here, players have 2 1/2 expansions available to them, all defendable by a single choke. The center is more open than the first two maps we looked at, and sort of reminds me of Delta Quadrant, if Delta Quadrant had 4 Xel'Naga watchtowers.

There's not much to say about this map; it looks much more "Blizzard-y" than the other new maps, which is to be expected since it is in fact a modified Blizzard map. I don't expect to see much different play on this map than what we've seen in previous GSL seasons, except that bad one-dimensional players will do 2 1/2 base timing attacks every game instead of 2 base timing attacks.


Tal'Darim Altar

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This map is outrageously large. I mean, look at it. I think Steppes of War could fit into that boxed area in the middle. This map is large to the point of being confusing, but let's try to make sense of it.

Again, we have three bases that are easy to take and hold. We also have a pretty large, open center that will force players to be careful of flanks. Controlling the four Xel'Naga towers will be useful in late-game situations for this reason.

I would imagine that someone like MarineKing would never ever lose a game on his map, since his style seems to fit it perfectly. An endless supply of minerals, and an enormous map on which he can exploit his mobility to its fullest.

Other than this map's largeness, there don't seem to be that many distinguishing features to it.

Team Ranking


Disclaimer: the following opinions may be really stupid.

Old Generations (oGs)
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Red = Code S
Blue = Code A

박상익/oGsTheWinD
최정민/oGsZenio
김정환/oGsCezanne
조만혁/oGsjookTo
조창호/oGsJ (#28 KR)

김상철/oGsEnsnare
김유종/oGshyperdub
김정훈/oGsTOP
이윤열/oGsNaDa
김영진/oGsSuperNova
김정균/oGskkoma
최연식/oGsLayla

송준혁/oGsInCa
장민철/oGsMC
이상헌/oGsVINES (#38 KR)
김태영/oGsCarmel (#65 KR)
송현덕/oGsHero (#97 KR)
정지훈/oGsWanT


Am I biased? Maybe. But oGs's lineup looks like a 4th of July parade. If their players aren't qualified for the GSL, they're high enough on the ladder that they're favored to do so in the future. Also, Jinro is eligible to play, or so I've heard. All signs point to oGs victory in this event; if nothing else, they're certainly the deepest team.


2. Startale (ST)
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Red = Code S
Blue = Code A

박성준/스타테일안심이 ((Z)July)
이원표/스타테일큐리어스 ((Z)Curious)
신정민/스타테일무작위왕 ((Z)Max)

김성제/스타테일레인보우 ((T)RainBOw)
김샘/스타테일어거스트 ((T)August)
박준용/스타테일바이러스 ((P)Virus)
최지성/스타테일폭격기 ((T)Bomber) (#4 KR)
나도현/스타테일트라우멘 ((T)Control)
배상환/스타테일사운드 ((T)Sound)
이관우/스타테일뒤통수 ((T)justfake)
트레버휴스턴/스타테일토치 ((T)TorcH)

박현우/스타테일꼬부기 ((P)Squirtle)
정우서/스타테일에이쓰 ((P)Ace)
정운천/스타테일아일랜드 ((P)Island)
박웅진/스타테일쏘자 ((P)SSoja)


The winner of the Zotac Team Invitational deserves a high spot. ST has a plethora of players that they can send out and hope to take a game or two off the other team. July, Bomber, Rainbow, and Squirtle is a powerful 4-person lineup. Who on their team is elite enough to pull off an all-kill, though? No one, really. We'll see if Startale can continue their team league success in this event.


3. Incredible Miracle (IM)
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Red = Code S
Blue = Code A

임재덕/IMNestea
박경락/IMJunwi
황강호/IMLosirA
김효종/IMhorror
유기성/IMTrue

정종현/IMMvp
최병현/IMYoDa (#75 KR)
김지훈/Imdreamertt
조재원/IMIceCream

최용화/IMYongHwa (#84 KR)
박효종/IM삐삐
안상원/IMSeed


I'm pretty sure MVP has more all-kills in team league environments than anyone else, but don't quote me on that. He and Nestea make a capable one-two punch: the best players of their respective races. However, this team isn't very deep at all, and if teams are smart, they'll prepare builds to knock out Nestea and MVP.


4. The SCV Life (TSL)
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Red = Code S
Blue = Code A

김원기/티에스엘과일장수 ((Z)FruitDealer)
김동현/티에스엘예쁜이 ((Z)Posh)

한규종/티에스엘클라이드 ((T)Clide)
박서용/티에스엘레인 ((T)Rain)
한이석/티에스엘푸우 ((T)aLive)

서기수/티에스엘사기수 ((P)TSL.Trickster)
신상호/티에스엘킬러 ((P)SangHo)
박진영/티에스엘스마트 ((P)Smart)


Look at all those colors. TSL's coach sure knows how to pick good players; all but one of his carefully crafted team's members are in the GSL. Unfortunately, none of these players looks capable of competing with the best in the world at the moment. In other words, TSL as a whole is underachieving (especially Clide!)

5. For Our Utopia (fOu)
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Red = Code S
Blue = Code A

이동녕/LeenockfOu
최진솔/siriusfOu (#92 KR)
송병학/teriousfOu
이인수/LuckyfOu
최경민/ShinefOu

김승철/sCfOu
김찬민/thebestfOu
최원석/OxfOu
이대진/NewClearfOu
조민호/ArtistfOu
한병훈/kasyufOu
최원석/OxfOu

이형섭/choyafOu
원이삭/PartingfOu (#50 KR)
김학수/TwilightfOu
김한별/cranefOu
우민규/ImorifOu
이종현/soulmanfOu
이행선/weekendfOu
정방민/topclassfOu

고병재/GuMihofOu (#100 KR)


I hate putting fOu so far down here, since I just like their team in general. Leenock is the destined Code A tournament winner (he really shouldn't be anywhere but Code S) and thebestfOu is #1 on the ladder (I guess he really is thebest, amirite???) but all of the higher teams are so stacked that I can't move fOu higher.


6. Zenith-NEX (ZeNEX)
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Red = Code S
Blue = Code A

한준/제넥스키릭스 ((Z)Kyrix)
최종환/제넥스코카 ((Z)CoCa)
김수호/제넥스수호신 ((Z)Line)
김찬중/제넥스나야 ((Z)Naya)

변현우/제넥스변 ((T)Byun)
백승주/제넥스나비효과 ((T)ButterflyEffect)
정혜준/제넥스혜준 ((T)Sakura)
윤영서/제넥스태자 ((T)Taeja) (#22 KR)
김영일/제넥스핵 ((T)ON)

김상준/제넥스역장몬 ((P)Puzzle) (#87 KR)
김동호/제넥스리터닝 ((P)Returning)
신재역/제넥스파이썬 ((P)Python)
심재용/제넥스초아 ((P)Choa)
안정민/제넥스코어 ((P)cOre)


ZeNEX placed well in the Zotac Team Invitational, but that was mostly due to the all-kills of two unknowns, Puzzle and Byun. Neither will likely be able to replicate their success unless Byun is better than the good-but-not-great play we saw in his Code A 2nd place run.


7. Prime-World Elite (Prime.WE)
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Red = Code S
Blue = Code A

이형주/CheckPrime.WE
최종혁/뿡뿡프라임.WE ((Z)PpungPpung) (#99 KR)

이정훈/해병왕프라임.WE ((T)MarineKing)
최성훈/PoltPrime.WE
곽한얼/MakaPrime.WE
김동욱/한니발프라임.WE ((T)Hannibal) (#25 KR)
김남규/시나브로프라임.WE ((T)BitByBit)
김태인/리베로프라임.WE ((T)Libero)
박종혁/박종혁프라임.WE ((T)ParkJongHyuk)
이유석/TankboyPrime.WE
조성주/MaruPrime.WE

안홍욱/HongUnPrime.WE
이정환/anyproPrime.WE
이중헌/DayflyPrime.WE
전영수/천사소녀프라임.WE ((P)Lotze)


Since the start of SC2, Prime has never looked worse. Every single one of their stars except MKP has been showing shaky play recently. Maka dropped down to Code A, Check showed that he simply doesn't have the macro to hang with top class players, anypro only stayed in Code S by the grace of Moon's awful play... the list goes on.


8. SlayerS
+ Show Spoiler [Partial Roster] +
Red = Code S
Blue = Code A

창조의아침 ((Z)Slayers_YuGiOh)

슬레이어스박서 ((T)BoxeR)
슬레이어스짭승우 ((T)SlayerS_CchapSeungEu)
슬레이어스천재 (#3 KR)
슬레이어스령 (#13 KR)
슬레이어스밀즈 (#40 KR)
슬레이어스휘 (#58 KR)
슬레이어스심장 (#84 KR)

슬레이어스알리샤 ((P)SlayerS_Alicia)


SlayerS doesn't really have any notable players. Boxer didn't play in the Zotac Team Invitational and there's no reason to think that he'll play this time.
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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
February 07 2011 04:37 GMT
#2
Wow good job on the info! thanks a lot
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
February 07 2011 04:39 GMT
#3
Sick writeup motbob
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SkySpy
Profile Joined October 2010
United States245 Posts
February 07 2011 04:39 GMT
#4
I was wondering who all were on roster for this series. Sad not to se Cella though =(.

thanks for the info!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 04:41:52
February 07 2011 04:40 GMT
#5
oGsLayla will All-Kill IM!!!!!!!

lol SlayerS terran.
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Cha1R
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
February 07 2011 04:42 GMT
#6
Would be cool to see jinro playing with oGs, since they are already so close.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 07 2011 04:44 GMT
#7
If Jinro is eligible to play would be amazing and assuming they put him up to play
When I think of something else, something will go here
valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
February 07 2011 04:44 GMT
#8
Big macro maps.
Zergs will be ecstatic.

Good job.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
February 07 2011 04:45 GMT
#9
oGs=SKT1(always an all star lineup)
IM=KT(2 ridiculously good players everyone else is average)

I'm in a Dilemma here because KT is my favorite BW team.
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dvide
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom287 Posts
February 07 2011 04:47 GMT
#10
On February 07 2011 13:35 motbob wrote:
Crevasse

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Note that the 4 middle expansions have a single gas and only 6 mineral patches, making them less desirable.

Note that this is a rich gas geyser though.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
February 07 2011 04:50 GMT
#11
I cannot wait to see these games.
I hope TSL wins! :D
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rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 04:53:32
February 07 2011 04:53 GMT
#12
Crevasse has destructible debris walls blocking paths, though.
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
February 07 2011 04:54 GMT
#13
This will be awesome to watch. Those maps in general are great overall, I love them (can't say much about Crossfire though).
`Zapdos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States935 Posts
February 07 2011 04:58 GMT
#14
Rofl all terrans in slayers! Hey wait, I thought cella was in slayers? Am I wrong? Anyways great write up ^_^
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monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 06:12:36
February 07 2011 04:58 GMT
#15
Terminus Re

So many expos! So many free expos! Here, players have 2 1/2 expansions available to them, all defendable by a single choke.


I believe that the gas geyser is high yield.

HY Gas- 6gas per trip
Normal Gas- 4gas per trip

This is more like a 3/4 expansion :p
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Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
February 07 2011 04:58 GMT
#16
On February 07 2011 13:35 motbob wrote:
Disclaimer: the following opinions may be really stupid.


I agree that they are, but definitely enjoy hearing your opinions nonetheless. Seems you value player's performance in the GSL very highly yet almost completely disregard previous team league performance?

Also thanks for the write-ups on the maps that was great! So pumped for GSTL
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
February 07 2011 05:44 GMT
#17
Prime is still my favourite team just cause of one player... namely... MarineKing!!

That guy is just sick. Would be nice to see him all kill 3 times in a row :D
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Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 05:47:36
February 07 2011 05:46 GMT
#18
On February 07 2011 13:35 motbob wrote:
I'm pretty sure MVP has more all-kills in team league environments than anyone else, but don't quote me on that.
well I will quote you on it b/c: Well technically NEXPuzzle has the most :x

unless you're including BW experience then yes, but I don't know how that relates to this Team League
(Also NEXPuzzle's all-kills were on IM and oGs and yes MVP and MC were playing, just NesTea wasn't)

Also fOu is terrible, Leenock is slumping and Choya is DQ'd so they really only have 2 decent players
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
February 07 2011 05:47 GMT
#19
On February 07 2011 13:58 monitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
Terminus Re

So many expos! So many free expos! Here, players have 2 1/2 expansions available to them, all defendable by a single choke.


I believe that the gas geyser is high yield.

HY Gas- 7gas per trip
Normal Gas- 5gas per trip

This is more like a 7/10 expansion :p


Close.

HY - 6, Normal - 4.

I know Crevasse's 6 mineral 1 gas expo's are HY gas, but am not sure on Terminus RE.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
February 07 2011 05:51 GMT
#20
On February 07 2011 14:47 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 13:58 monitor wrote:
Terminus Re

So many expos! So many free expos! Here, players have 2 1/2 expansions available to them, all defendable by a single choke.


I believe that the gas geyser is high yield.

HY Gas- 7gas per trip
Normal Gas- 5gas per trip

This is more like a 7/10 expansion :p


Close.

HY - 6, Normal - 4.

I know Crevasse's 6 mineral 1 gas expo's are HY gas, but am not sure on Terminus RE.


its always been high yield on terminus.
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
February 07 2011 05:53 GMT
#21
So they're 3/4 expansions. XD
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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
February 07 2011 05:57 GMT
#22
Very nice OP. However question Slayers kick out Golden? or did someone just forget about him.
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lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
February 07 2011 05:58 GMT
#23
Great post (especially love the roster lists). Shouldn't this be on the front page, like the other GSL previews/recaps?
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
February 07 2011 06:00 GMT
#24
The team ranking seems pretty acurate, but I dont think ST should be so high. I would definately put IM and TSL above ST
Tetragon
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada46 Posts
February 07 2011 06:06 GMT
#25
Thanks for the writeup. Looking forwards to seeing these maps in action.
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Quixxotik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States54 Posts
February 07 2011 06:06 GMT
#26
Startale is that hight and Prime is that low? Don't get me wrong, Prime aren't going to do amazingly, and but they're not that much worse than what Startale looks to be.

Also I'm sad to see oGs vs IM in Round 1. I wanted that to be the finals.
sOvrn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States678 Posts
February 07 2011 06:09 GMT
#27
Awesome!

Lots of info I was looking for about the composition of each team. Very nicely done by adding that Code A/S!

In the TL poll, I put IM to win, but after looking at oGs more carefully, I'm starting to have doubts on my vote. One thing I do know is that the next few days will be good!!
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Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2404 Posts
February 07 2011 06:13 GMT
#28
On February 07 2011 14:53 ch33psh33p wrote:
So they're 3/4 expansions. XD


Oops! Fail xD

Indeed, they are 3/4 expansions. This actually makes a gigantic difference on gameplay, we'll see how it plays out.
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whatever
Profile Joined July 2005
Mexico693 Posts
February 07 2011 06:14 GMT
#29
Also, Jinro is eligible to play, or so I've heard.

We really need confirmation on this.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 06:17:07
February 07 2011 06:16 GMT
#30
On February 07 2011 14:58 lbmaian wrote:
Great post (especially love the roster lists). Shouldn't this be on the front page, like the other GSL previews/recaps?

Too short notice. I started work on this today.
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Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
February 07 2011 06:28 GMT
#31
On February 07 2011 15:14 whatever wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also, Jinro is eligible to play, or so I've heard.

We really need confirmation on this.

I agree. Last I heard, it was only going to be oGs players. It would be nice to see them officially pair up with Liquid though.

Also, I'm pretty sure Loner is eligible to play with Prime.WE. If this is true, he'll almost certainly be on their roster.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
February 07 2011 06:31 GMT
#32
NADA + THESE MAPS = HOLY FUCK.
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Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 06:48:40
February 07 2011 06:33 GMT
#33
Watching the Code S group selections right now, and Jinro is wearing an oGs jacket, only a few hours before the Team League starts so maybe he is elgible to play for oGs or on the roster.

Edit: All the oGs jackets have a team liquid patch on the sohulder omgomg!!1
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EMPaThy789
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand878 Posts
February 07 2011 06:33 GMT
#34
just wondering but where do you spawn on crevasse is it on the double high ground so your nat is below you or on the high ground where the nat is on the higher ground inside your base
teh_longinator
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada725 Posts
February 07 2011 06:35 GMT
#35
I like the proposal of new maps, though I must be honest I still have not quite gotten to know these ones inside and out (I'm Zerg, trying to make map specific strats... kinda failing lol)

Otherwise, I hope that this GSTL will show that these maps have balance, and cannot wait till Blizzard releases their map pack, and bug fixes (although I do not know what the bug fixes are)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 06:44:47
February 07 2011 06:44 GMT
#36
On February 07 2011 13:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
oGs=SKT1(always an all star lineup)
IM=KT(2 ridiculously good players everyone else is average)

I'm in a Dilemma here because KT is my favorite BW team.


That's actually quite the opposite of how KT and SKT1 were in the beginning. In their earlier incarnations, when they were actually KT and skt1, KT had the star studded lineup (KT had Chojja/Nada/Yellow/Nal_rA/Reach/Goodfriend/sync and more) while SKT1 had a small amount of very notable players (Boxer, Oov, Rainbow and Kingdom). Things developed into the opposite as times went on and KT players lost relevance while SKT1 picked up star players from other teams.
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Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 06:51:38
February 07 2011 06:50 GMT
#37
On February 07 2011 13:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
oGs=SKT1(always an all star lineup)
IM=KT(2 ridiculously good players everyone else is average)

I'm in a Dilemma here because KT is my favorite BW team.

ummmmmmmmmmmmm Bisu is not a lineup, he's just a person
better example for oGs would be Woongjin
and IM would be Oz/KT/SKT1 any of those
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iNversion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States107 Posts
February 07 2011 07:03 GMT
#38
On February 07 2011 15:50 Kazzabiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 13:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
oGs=SKT1(always an all star lineup)
IM=KT(2 ridiculously good players everyone else is average)

I'm in a Dilemma here because KT is my favorite BW team.

ummmmmmmmmmmmm Bisu is not a lineup, he's just a person
better example for oGs would be Woongjin
and IM would be Oz/KT/SKT1 any of those

skt has more than just bisu as their star, just because he happens to be the only one consistently performing currently doesn't make skt an one man team. if you forgot, fantasy best and hyuk all contributed to their finals appearance last season and both fantasy (recent osl winner) and best (past osl finalist, regarded as having the best macro) certainly can be considered allstars.

anyways, I digress from the main topic here, I think that while ogs has the deepest roster, they are playing IM in the first round and unless MC plays better than he's recently shown in the team league, Nesta and MVP will take it for IM.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
February 07 2011 07:04 GMT
#39
On February 07 2011 15:50 Kazzabiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 13:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
oGs=SKT1(always an all star lineup)
IM=KT(2 ridiculously good players everyone else is average)

I'm in a Dilemma here because KT is my favorite BW team.

ummmmmmmmmmmmm Bisu is not a lineup, he's just a person
better example for oGs would be Woongjin
and IM would be Oz/KT/SKT1 any of those


lolwut?

Bisu,BeSt,Fantasy,By.Sun,Paralyze,Kwanro etc etc etc.
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Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
February 07 2011 07:04 GMT
#40
On February 07 2011 14:46 Kazzabiss wrote:
Also fOu is terrible, Leenock is slumping and Choya is DQ'd so they really only have 2 decent players


What's the story on Choya's DQ.. i must have missed that.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 07:11:57
February 07 2011 07:10 GMT
#41
On February 07 2011 16:04 Gingerninja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 14:46 Kazzabiss wrote:
Also fOu is terrible, Leenock is slumping and Choya is DQ'd so they really only have 2 decent players


What's the story on Choya's DQ.. i must have missed that.

He was caught winning/losing games on the ladder by playing a game of rock-paper-scissors in the chat. This blew up into a small scandal, which caused him and his coach to publicly apologize for this rather silly way of exploiting the ladder.

It's kinda disappointing to see that Choya is out, especially considering how he was definitely one of the stronger players on the fOu team.
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Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
February 07 2011 07:26 GMT
#42
Boxer actually did play in the Zotac cup, on Jan 24th. It was only 2 games, but all the same, it happened. Regardless, I'm SURE he'll play in the GSL team league. I feel like Slayers in last place is a little low. Honestly, I'd give that honor to fOu.

I also think IM might be a little high, given they are really a 2 man team, and that's never a good thing. If this is in winner's league format then they can really put on a show, but looking at Zotac the rest of the team is just not up to par. I might've dropped them a place or two myself.

Also, I don't understand people questioning Startale in this topic. They have a solid roster, and they just proved it a couple weeks ago by taking Zotac, with relative ease. Overall they went 8-2 in that league. Now, it was during GSL so a lot of the top players didn't have a lot of time for Zotac... but most of them made some appearances anyways. They're definitely a top team.

Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
February 07 2011 07:26 GMT
#43
I'm a big fan of Prime, especially MakaPrime and while I also see that they haven't been doing too well recently (other than MKP), I still think they deserve to be higher up. Hopefully their recent history is just a bit of a slump and they do well.
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
February 07 2011 07:34 GMT
#44
On February 07 2011 16:10 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 16:04 Gingerninja wrote:
On February 07 2011 14:46 Kazzabiss wrote:
Also fOu is terrible, Leenock is slumping and Choya is DQ'd so they really only have 2 decent players


What's the story on Choya's DQ.. i must have missed that.

He was caught winning/losing games on the ladder by playing a game of rock-paper-scissors in the chat. This blew up into a small scandal, which caused him and his coach to publicly apologize for this rather silly way of exploiting the ladder.

It's kinda disappointing to see that Choya is out, especially considering how he was definitely one of the stronger players on the fOu team.


Oh it was that?
I thought it was something new and or serious.
Stupid getting yourself banned over something like that. bet he's kicking himself.
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Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
February 07 2011 07:37 GMT
#45
On February 07 2011 16:26 Chicane wrote:
I'm a big fan of Prime, especially MakaPrime and while I also see that they haven't been doing too well recently (other than MKP), I still think they deserve to be higher up. Hopefully their recent history is just a bit of a slump and they do well.


I agree, they should be a little higher. If I were ranking from 1 to 8, I'd probably put them around five.

My whole list would probably be like

oGs
ST
TSL
IM
Prime
SlayerS
ZeNex
fOu

And this makes me realize that I still have IM at 4th, so maybe I shouldn't have criticized that bit of TC's list so much.

Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
February 07 2011 07:44 GMT
#46
I think protoss are going to be dominant on these new maps.
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
February 07 2011 07:48 GMT
#47
it seems the new GSL-TL maps are going to be used in GSL 5
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
February 07 2011 07:49 GMT
#48
On February 07 2011 16:48 udgnim wrote:
it seems the new GSL-TL maps are going to be used in GSL 5

last I read (earlier today) it was confirmed that between 2 and 4 of them will be, the exact number is currently unknown
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Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
February 07 2011 07:49 GMT
#49
Well appreciated! Especially the map analysis.
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dkim
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
February 07 2011 07:55 GMT
#50
the 3rd in crossfire seems too far to defend imo.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 08:00:06
February 07 2011 07:56 GMT
#51
On February 07 2011 16:48 udgnim wrote:
it seems the new GSL-TL maps are going to be used in GSL 5


H to the UZZAH

HUZZAH!!!!(yes,I just did that.No,I don't like Husky)

On February 07 2011 16:55 dkim wrote:
the 3rd in crossfire seems too far to defend imo.


actually its not,slap some static antiair there an you can forget about it since there is only one way to get their by ground....its its through your army.
plus the watch tower is mega useful because it covers all three routes.
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Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
February 07 2011 08:02 GMT
#52
On February 07 2011 16:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 15:50 Kazzabiss wrote:
On February 07 2011 13:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
oGs=SKT1(always an all star lineup)
IM=KT(2 ridiculously good players everyone else is average)

I'm in a Dilemma here because KT is my favorite BW team.

ummmmmmmmmmmmm Bisu is not a lineup, he's just a person
better example for oGs would be Woongjin
and IM would be Oz/KT/SKT1 any of those


lolwut?

Bisu,BeSt,Fantasy,By.Sun,Paralyze,Kwanro etc etc etc.

Fantasy is bad in Team Leagues, pretty much everyone on the team that should be good, or has been good in the past is slumping or just past their prime, and

lolwut? Paralyze?
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VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
February 07 2011 08:05 GMT
#53
I can not seem to find exactly how this tournament will operate... The only thing I've seen is that this is not in a 2v2+ format. Can somebody provide a link, or please explain how this sort of tournament will operate?
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Doughboy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States721 Posts
February 07 2011 08:09 GMT
#54
Glad to see I'm not crazy in thinking ST has a legit chance of taking the GSTL
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 08:15:03
February 07 2011 08:13 GMT
#55
On February 07 2011 17:05 VashTS wrote:
I can not seem to find exactly how this tournament will operate... The only thing I've seen is that this is not in a 2v2+ format. Can somebody provide a link, or please explain how this sort of tournament will operate?

It runs on the all-kill format similar to the format that they use in the Winner's League part of the Proleague system that they have for the Brood War teams. Each match is a 1v1.

Each team has a list of players that they send out in order, not knowing the players that the other team is sending out.

The two players sent out will play each other in a 1v1 match. The winner of the match stays to play the next player that is on the opposing team's list for the next match.

The team that first achieves a certain number of total matches won is dubbed the winner of the entire series. There is a chance that a single player will not be knocked out and will win all the matches required to win the entire series (usually 4 matches in a best of 7), which is called an "all-kill," hence the "all-kill" format. There is also a chance that a player will get 3 out of the required 4 wins, but will be knocked by another player who proceeds to win 4 matches single-handedly. This is called a "reverse all-kill."
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VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
February 07 2011 08:18 GMT
#56
Those players that lose, are they out of the tournament, or just the series? Does the team get to change the order of the players between series?

Also, thank you for taking the time to explain this.
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Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
February 07 2011 08:22 GMT
#57
Can't wait for the GSTL ;D
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 08:32:00
February 07 2011 08:31 GMT
#58
On February 07 2011 17:18 VashTS wrote:
Those players that lose, are they out of the tournament, or just the series? Does the team get to change the order of the players between series?

Also, thank you for taking the time to explain this.

Losers are just out for the series.

I think teams are able to change their player orders between series, since their rosters are much larger than the maximum number of players that they can have for any series. I don't think there are any restrictions on player lineup as long as the same player doesn't play twice.

Anyways, hope you enjoy the GSTL. I'm sure most of your questions will be answered after watching it for he first time. BTW, be sure to check out BW Proleague games that are played from time to time, since they are the premier examples of this Team League format.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 08:50:47
February 07 2011 08:38 GMT
#59
On February 07 2011 17:18 VashTS wrote:
Those players that lose, are they out of the tournament, or just the series? Does the team get to change the order of the players between series?

Also, thank you for taking the time to explain this.


no they are only out of the series....and there is no order that players need to be sent in the series.

ok here is an example of the format.

(T)IMmvp > (P)oGsMC
(T)IMmvp > (Z)oGsZenio
(T)IMmvp < (T)oGsLayla
(Z)IMNesTea < (T)oGsLayla
(Z)IMLosira < (T)oGsLayla
(Z)IMJunwi < (T)oGsLayla
[not played]-[not played]

oGs>IM
4-2
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Dimitris
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium25 Posts
February 07 2011 08:55 GMT
#60
Jinro playing would be sort of weird, without someone officialy announcing a merge of Liquid and OGs. He can play because they share a bathroom?
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
February 07 2011 08:58 GMT
#61
Jinro playing would be awesome, but doesn't seem likely with Liquid being listed as a separate team in the Team point standing on GomTV. But if he is eligible to play for oGs no way they dont play him.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 07 2011 09:08 GMT
#62
I hope that Jinro will play. I also hope SlayersBoxer will play.
But mostly I hope that they play a lot on the new maps. They look so promising!
I had a good night of sleep.
LoveXPn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States74 Posts
February 07 2011 09:09 GMT
#63
woah woah woah woah woah Ogs-TL confirmed meanining someone from Tl is playing
Ojahh
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Ireland728 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 09:11:39
February 07 2011 09:10 GMT
#64
YESSSSSSSSSS oGs-TL confirmed on live Stream to be combined for the GSTL.....wooohoooo

that means all TL's in Korea are entitled to play

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 09:10:53
February 07 2011 09:10 GMT
#65
many ways to the opponent's base-Crossfire SE....

YO MOTBOB NEED AN LR THREAD HERE!!!
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brijan
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Australia144 Posts
February 07 2011 09:12 GMT
#66
I can't get over how good these maps look.

It breaks my heart that they aren't the ladder ones.
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
February 07 2011 09:14 GMT
#67
Awesome awesome write up about the team and its players. Thumbs up!
Ojahh
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Ireland728 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 09:44:46
February 07 2011 09:15 GMT
#68
never mind - failure to read OP
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Magnus Strongchest
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia89 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 09:20:50
February 07 2011 09:20 GMT
#69
Oh my god, Torch
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
February 07 2011 10:06 GMT
#70
On February 07 2011 18:09 Sc2Love wrote:
woah woah woah woah woah Ogs-TL confirmed meanining someone from Tl is playing


awesometastic!

really naz or whoever came up with the ogs/tl alliance is a genius.

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Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
February 07 2011 10:21 GMT
#71
This is going to be great! Team leagues are so much more fun imo.

Thanks for the neat writeup motbob.
really?
Talanthalos
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany153 Posts
February 07 2011 10:44 GMT
#72
arent golden and newdawn also in slayers?
they are definetly mentionable
jobe83
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany4 Posts
February 07 2011 11:06 GMT
#73
Thanks a lot for the writeup, great work! Gives the whole thing a lot more context beforehand!
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VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
February 07 2011 12:05 GMT
#74
This is actually pretty fun to watch!
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Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
February 07 2011 12:08 GMT
#75
Thanks for doing this, gj!
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
February 07 2011 12:41 GMT
#76
I didnt know the expands (or are they 3rds) were only 750 on Taldarim
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Dimitris
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium25 Posts
February 07 2011 13:08 GMT
#77
Still a bit weird about Liquid... You don't make the team league, afterwards you join up with a team that did...
MaYuu
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Sweden516 Posts
February 07 2011 13:11 GMT
#78
ogs+tl becomes gstl :D
ehh`?
GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
February 07 2011 13:19 GMT
#79
IS Huk gonna be playing for oGs-TL?
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
February 07 2011 13:24 GMT
#80
why did you mention that boxer is probably not gonna play? is there a reason behind it?
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
February 07 2011 13:25 GMT
#81
On February 07 2011 22:24 clickrush wrote:
why did you mention that boxer is probably not gonna play? is there a reason behind it?


he assumed so because he didn't play in the Jotac(lol) team league.
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DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
February 07 2011 13:26 GMT
#82
On February 07 2011 22:24 clickrush wrote:
why did you mention that boxer is probably not gonna play? is there a reason behind it?


No. It's just that in Zotac Team Invitational he didn't play. So they think he might not play in these Team Leagues as well.
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rakshasa
Profile Joined January 2011
Japan23 Posts
February 07 2011 13:30 GMT
#83
LOL at the TL not being real oGs team members whines...

The GS(T)L is primarily about entertainment and bending the rules a bit to get a token white guy in play makes pretty damn good sense.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
February 07 2011 15:39 GMT
#84
Sweet. Looking forward to IM to continue showing their victory streak of GSL wins and making a GSTL win. Also looking forward for Coach Lee and his team to bring back the strength SCV Life previously had. All in all, it'll be epic.
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Sveet
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
February 07 2011 18:57 GMT
#85
I found some replays of lyn laddering with the NEX tag, can anyone confirm or deny that he is on their roster?

source: http://sc2rep.com/replays/()엔에스피로회복제_vs_(P)NEXLyn_xel_naga_caverns_sc2rep_com_20110205/4994
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 19:22:14
February 07 2011 19:17 GMT
#86
I thought team MvP would play and not SlayerS. The age thread has MvP's age chart and not SlayerS, but this thread has SlayerS and not MvP. What is going on?

EDIT: Ok, ok, i checked GOM and looks like they included SlayerS. Well, cool. Tomorrow will be a good day for SC2 team league (oGs vs IM all the way!).
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
February 07 2011 19:48 GMT
#87
The 2 maps that really interest me were Crevasse and Tal'Darim...
(Pronounced Taal-DA-reem for Artosis)

I found Tal'Darim no problem under popular, but Crevasse is actually spelled with a funny E at the end. Looking through a list by searching GSL brought it up about 10th on the list.

At least this was the case doing the searching on NA. These maps are really fun to play on

The centers of the maps, which actually allow for some form of tactics, are what really interest me.
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Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
February 07 2011 20:15 GMT
#88
oh dear.. more maps the size of Kulas
FryKt
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway27 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 00:07:56
February 08 2011 00:01 GMT
#89
Watch the Tal`darim matches on gstl!!! THose games were sick, it so resemble sc1. This is what I have been waiting for. Just from this one map the whole sc2 metagame will change!
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
February 08 2011 00:04 GMT
#90
There's no reason that the ladder map pool shouldn't copy the top tournament map pools like in BW. Doing it the other way around is terrible.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
February 08 2011 00:38 GMT
#91
oGs is so deep w/o TL... doubt they'll play TL guys but you never know.
purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 01:24:21
February 08 2011 01:24 GMT
#92
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You know its rather funny that 1 guy eliminated all of fOu.
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 02:54:16
February 08 2011 02:52 GMT
#93
What happened to Golden and Legalmind on SlayerS? O.o

Also NesTea didn't play in ZOTAC, so we should assume he won't play in GSTL? Also MVP only played in 2 of his teams 8 matches etc. etc.

Also I said fOu was the worst team in response to the people saying they could win, and lol @ the result
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Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
February 08 2011 03:01 GMT
#94
On February 08 2011 10:24 purecarnagge wrote:
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You know its rather funny that 1 guy eliminated all of fOu.

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What's even funnier, is that he is a former fOu player who just switched teams
www.twitch.tv/Thatgooey
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 03:02:29
February 08 2011 03:02 GMT
#95
I may be the odd man out, but I absolutely hate the fact that it's so easy to secure several expansions on some of these maps.

I fear that the days of small, micro-intensive battles will soon be gone...
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2404 Posts
February 08 2011 03:05 GMT
#96
On February 08 2011 12:02 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
I may be the odd man out, but I absolutely hate the fact that it's so easy to secure several expansions on some of these maps.

I fear that the days of small, micro-intensive battles will soon be gone...


Well these maps take map size and close expansions to the max. I too feel that they are too big and will be big macro-fests. They are great concepts, but can only be balanced if they are much smaller. Tal'Darim Alter is something like 156x170... LT is 120x128 or so.
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tangwhat
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand446 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 05:47:48
February 08 2011 05:46 GMT
#97
On February 08 2011 12:01 Gooey wrote:
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On February 08 2011 10:24 purecarnagge wrote:
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You know its rather funny that 1 guy eliminated all of fOu.

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What's even funnier, is that he is a former fOu player who just switched teams


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Squirtle was never on fOu, you're mixing up TSL_aLive who did a 3-kill on team prime and used to be in fOu.


Also NesTea didn't play in ZOTAC, so we should assume he won't play in GSTL? Also MVP only played in 2 of his teams 8 matches etc. etc.


During ZOTAC both NesTea and MVP had to practice for GSL.
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
February 08 2011 06:02 GMT
#98
On February 08 2011 12:05 monitor wrote:
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On February 08 2011 12:02 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
I may be the odd man out, but I absolutely hate the fact that it's so easy to secure several expansions on some of these maps.

I fear that the days of small, micro-intensive battles will soon be gone...


Well these maps take map size and close expansions to the max. I too feel that they are too big and will be big macro-fests. They are great concepts, but can only be balanced if they are much smaller. Tal'Darim Alter is something like 156x170... LT is 120x128 or so.


I think the games will be even more micro fest because you will have to do a lot more harass base tactics with the multiple expansions. Also you can only really support 2 1/2 bases and have so many probes so there will be a lot of army swapping and etc. So far the games havent been a macro fest at all.
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
February 08 2011 06:13 GMT
#99
I don't understand this misconception that large "macro maps" won't have as much micro as smaller maps. There probably won't be as much cheese, but have you watched the two Taldarim matches? There was constant engagements between the two players, where each of the engagements were won and lost in micro. When there wasn't micro, that only shows that a player has room to improve, not that micro is unimportant. If anything, the larger maps allow a player the possibility to come back from an earlier mistake through good use of macro/micro.
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
February 08 2011 12:47 GMT
#100
the average lifespan of Zerg players by about five years due to decreased stress.
*

LOL, what da hack ?

Ok, this is not dumb, but extremely advanced in SC2 statistics.

However, the maps looks very good, hope they will be balanced.
Nice job.
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
February 08 2011 13:15 GMT
#101
On February 08 2011 15:13 Rokk wrote:
I don't understand this misconception that large "macro maps" won't have as much micro as smaller maps. There probably won't be as much cheese, but have you watched the two Taldarim matches? There was constant engagements between the two players, where each of the engagements were won and lost in micro. When there wasn't micro, that only shows that a player has room to improve, not that micro is unimportant. If anything, the larger maps allow a player the possibility to come back from an earlier mistake through good use of macro/micro.

Exactly, bigger maps = More micro intensive, clever play. Less A-move timing pushes and cheese.
purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
February 08 2011 17:05 GMT
#102
On February 08 2011 12:05 monitor wrote:
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On February 08 2011 12:02 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
I may be the odd man out, but I absolutely hate the fact that it's so easy to secure several expansions on some of these maps.

I fear that the days of small, micro-intensive battles will soon be gone...


Well these maps take map size and close expansions to the max. I too feel that they are too big and will be big macro-fests. They are great concepts, but can only be balanced if they are much smaller. Tal'Darim Alter is something like 156x170... LT is 120x128 or so.


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you missed polt primes MM pwnage.
Fungal Growth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
February 09 2011 00:37 GMT
#103
So maybe I'm totally ignorant on all this...but what kept team liquid from participating in the GSTL?
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
February 09 2011 00:40 GMT
#104
On February 09 2011 09:37 Fungal Growth wrote:
So maybe I'm totally ignorant on all this...but what kept team liquid from participating in the GSTL?

Not enough players in the GSL resulting in not enough points to participate .. if i remember correctly..

You needed at least 8 players if i believe..

If ZeNex can use Zenith and Nex players.. i was hoping oGs/TL could use liquid guys.. oh well ><

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after oGs got slaughtered last night, we will have to wait until next season hehe
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Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
February 09 2011 01:44 GMT
#105
On February 09 2011 09:40 bkrow wrote:
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On February 09 2011 09:37 Fungal Growth wrote:
So maybe I'm totally ignorant on all this...but what kept team liquid from participating in the GSTL?

Not enough players in the GSL resulting in not enough points to participate .. if i remember correctly..

You needed at least 8 players if i believe..

If ZeNex can use Zenith and Nex players.. i was hoping oGs/TL could use liquid guys.. oh well ><

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after oGs got slaughtered last night, we will have to wait until next season hehe


The difference is that ZeNex is a new team made up of Zenith and NEX players. oGs/TL is a partnership, but they are still two separate teams.
Dimitris
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 07:27:05
February 09 2011 07:25 GMT
#106
On February 09 2011 09:40 bkrow wrote:
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On February 09 2011 09:37 Fungal Growth wrote:
So maybe I'm totally ignorant on all this...but what kept team liquid from participating in the GSTL?

Not enough players in the GSL resulting in not enough points to participate .. if i remember correctly..

You needed at least 8 players if i believe..


Not exactly eight people. Team Liquid needed one more guy in code A to get even in points with SlayerS, or one more guy in code S to beat SlayerS.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSTL_Rankings
rexob
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden202 Posts
February 10 2011 00:41 GMT
#107
Is it just me that feel like maps that has 4 starting locations and the main + the natrual point towards another main - is bad/umbalanced when two placers spawn close-position? let me try to show u. X=Main base/spawn and the arrow is where the natrual entrance is:

X <-X
\|/
/|\
X-> X

just like Crevasse and Terminus Re.
I just think that if a Terran spawn at 6 and P/Z spawn at 3, the terran player will can allways just load up a drop-ship and drop other player's main, kill of alot and then be back and def his natrual when his opponent pushes out. the player at 3 doesn't have the time to drop the other players main while he pushes out but the player at 6 does. and with the fact that drop ships are faster than a common coloussous/HT P army or an hydra/roach army off creep, I just think that some of the 4players-map is imbalanced when all natruals "points" towards a main
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