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danielsan
Profile Joined December 2010
Romania399 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-06 18:52:00
February 06 2011 18:51 GMT
#421
delete please
denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
February 06 2011 18:59 GMT
#422
To analyze this game, you really have to think about why MVP did not expand to the base near Idra, between the rocks. Had MVP broke down rocks, put up a PF at that location, it will effectively divide Idra's army in half since MVP can always threaten to attack through the rocks. It would also be impossible for Idra to break MVP's front at his second base. Once MVP's 3rd is secure, he could tank push at the rocks while harrassing with Marine drops at Idra's 3rd and 4th, which is far away from his main and natural.

The fact that MVP expo'd far away, leaving a huge space in the middle of the map for him to defend against Muta/ling/baneling makes me feel like he wasn't treating this game seriously and lost the game by this 3rd base decision.
MrWinkles
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States200 Posts
February 06 2011 19:07 GMT
#423
I saw the last half of this live, and I thought to myself...

there is so much happening on ladder we don't get to see in tournaments... such a shame...
glad it's been turned into a VOD!!!
What does the knight do?
MadPretty
Profile Joined October 2010
United States101 Posts
February 06 2011 19:30 GMT
#424
I ended up watching this live and then being late to work in the morning. DAMN YOU IDRA!
Was an amazingly sweet game and so glad to be able to see moves on both sides. Both these doods played their asses off.
shwick
Profile Joined May 2010
Burundi45 Posts
February 06 2011 19:38 GMT
#425
A really great match that MVP was experimenting with. He decided to not push through the rocks and win early.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-06 20:19:53
February 06 2011 20:18 GMT
#426
I see a lot of players complaining that a dying Terran is difficult to kill, but you need to remember one thing: there is a strategy called "turtling" in starcraft, and Terran race happens to be the best at it. You can effectively turtle with few SCVs and MULES, as well as siege & defensive units.
o choro é livre
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
February 06 2011 20:30 GMT
#427
On February 07 2011 03:48 danielsan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 03:27 Grimjim wrote:
On February 07 2011 03:10 Nizzy wrote:
On February 07 2011 03:04 Grimjim wrote:
Apparently MVP was behind from the very start, yet it took 35 minutes for IdrA to actually close the game?

That's either saying a lot about MVP, or a lot about ZvT. You decide which.


You have an interesting point but I remember IdrA saying that Zergs never want to attack until they are almost 100% sure they can take a fight. He wore MVP down with some great MUTA harass into some muta/brood lord harass.

At the pro level with BETTER/BIGGER maps in the future I think we will see a lot more games like this, were players have to continually beat they're opponent all game then finally finish them. 10-minute all-in games for the majority of the games isn't fun to me.

Whats the average game time in GSL like 10-13 minutes or something like that? I hope that goes way up with bigger maps.

My point being this: If IdrA was playing behind from the start, he would have lost within 12 minutes. MVP was behind, yet it took 35 minutes to lose. To me, that just doesn't seem right. All factions should have the same power early, mid, and late-game.

you wanna cry imbalance just cry it out loud, don't go sneaky and far from discretely implying it.

it took 35 minutes to lose as playstyle for each race is different.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 07 2011 01:18 HowardRoark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 21:24 heishe wrote:
On February 06 2011 21:09 HowardRoark wrote:
Do you think this is game is more entertaining than the Morrow vs Kiwikaki game?


Which one is that? Can you link it?



that's nice


you can watch this aswell




Or I could make my point clear without jumping down to your level and spouting incoherent and non-existent arguments. How about you actually debate instead of flaming a method everyone should be using, buddy? Don't be such a tool.
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
February 06 2011 20:31 GMT
#428
Artosis, rock on man great cast and analysis
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
cheapfood
Profile Joined January 2011
United States56 Posts
February 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#429
On February 07 2011 03:59 denzelz wrote:
To analyze this game, you really have to think about why MVP did not expand to the base near Idra, between the rocks. Had MVP broke down rocks, put up a PF at that location, it will effectively divide Idra's army in half since MVP can always threaten to attack through the rocks. It would also be impossible for Idra to break MVP's front at his second base. Once MVP's 3rd is secure, he could tank push at the rocks while harrassing with Marine drops at Idra's 3rd and 4th, which is far away from his main and natural.

The fact that MVP expo'd far away, leaving a huge space in the middle of the map for him to defend against Muta/ling/baneling makes me feel like he wasn't treating this game seriously and lost the game by this 3rd base decision.



yeah, you're right. he didnt take this game seriously, he was just joking around.

are you serious
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
February 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#430
On February 07 2011 05:18 AlBundy wrote:
I see a lot of players complaining that a dying Terran is difficult to kill, but you need to remember one thing: there is a strategy called "turtling" in starcraft, and Terran race happens to be the best at it. You can effectively turtle with few SCVs and MULES, as well as siege & defensive units.


Dropping 50 times in one game and sitting in the middle of the map, threatening to push at any time, is not turtling. MVP was defensive, but he was not turtling. Turtling is a newb strategy that never works past Diamond.
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
Brandus
Profile Joined September 2010
148 Posts
February 06 2011 20:36 GMT
#431
no idea why Mvp Didnt stim and annihilate idra with his first bio ball
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
February 06 2011 20:43 GMT
#432
On February 07 2011 02:19 Starshaped wrote:
Uh, the game was incredibly one-sided from basically the very start and only lasted long due to insane harassment by MVP.

Really not a special game imo. Never once did I think "OK, MVP might win this."

Agreed. Maybe its the way that Artosis cast it [in the sense of showing the screens he choose to show] but once that big infantry group turned around and went home after shooting a couple of creep tumors it seemed like Idra was in a cant loose situation.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
February 06 2011 20:44 GMT
#433
On February 07 2011 05:32 Grimjim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 05:18 AlBundy wrote:
I see a lot of players complaining that a dying Terran is difficult to kill, but you need to remember one thing: there is a strategy called "turtling" in starcraft, and Terran race happens to be the best at it. You can effectively turtle with few SCVs and MULES, as well as siege & defensive units.


Dropping 50 times in one game and sitting in the middle of the map, threatening to push at any time, is not turtling. MVP was defensive, but he was not turtling. Turtling is a newb strategy that never works past Diamond.


Ok then, he was defensive? What's wrong in having a hard time killing a player who focuses on defense? Honestly I don't understand how people can be so unreasonable over a ladder game.
o choro é livre
radiumz0rz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States253 Posts
February 06 2011 20:44 GMT
#434
This was a really great game by mvp. I wonder what he could have done to win. I guess losing those early siege tanks really hurt his pushes; not losing those tanks could have made this game a lot closer.
Berkeley '10
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
February 06 2011 20:46 GMT
#435
Really freaking amazing game, god damnit, never been so into a game, or at least since...well cant remember so ! Still amazing stuff and thanks artosis for commentating :D
Yes I am
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 06 2011 20:46 GMT
#436
On February 07 2011 05:32 Grimjim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 05:18 AlBundy wrote:
I see a lot of players complaining that a dying Terran is difficult to kill, but you need to remember one thing: there is a strategy called "turtling" in starcraft, and Terran race happens to be the best at it. You can effectively turtle with few SCVs and MULES, as well as siege & defensive units.


Dropping 50 times in one game and sitting in the middle of the map, threatening to push at any time, is not turtling. MVP was defensive, but he was not turtling. Turtling is a newb strategy that never works past Diamond.

Tell that to Flash rofl...
danielsan
Profile Joined December 2010
Romania399 Posts
February 06 2011 20:57 GMT
#437
On February 07 2011 05:30 Grimjim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 03:48 danielsan wrote:
On February 07 2011 03:27 Grimjim wrote:
On February 07 2011 03:10 Nizzy wrote:
On February 07 2011 03:04 Grimjim wrote:
Apparently MVP was behind from the very start, yet it took 35 minutes for IdrA to actually close the game?

That's either saying a lot about MVP, or a lot about ZvT. You decide which.


You have an interesting point but I remember IdrA saying that Zergs never want to attack until they are almost 100% sure they can take a fight. He wore MVP down with some great MUTA harass into some muta/brood lord harass.

At the pro level with BETTER/BIGGER maps in the future I think we will see a lot more games like this, were players have to continually beat they're opponent all game then finally finish them. 10-minute all-in games for the majority of the games isn't fun to me.

Whats the average game time in GSL like 10-13 minutes or something like that? I hope that goes way up with bigger maps.

My point being this: If IdrA was playing behind from the start, he would have lost within 12 minutes. MVP was behind, yet it took 35 minutes to lose. To me, that just doesn't seem right. All factions should have the same power early, mid, and late-game.

you wanna cry imbalance just cry it out loud, don't go sneaky and far from discretely implying it.

it took 35 minutes to lose as playstyle for each race is different.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 07 2011 01:18 HowardRoark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 21:24 heishe wrote:
On February 06 2011 21:09 HowardRoark wrote:
Do you think this is game is more entertaining than the Morrow vs Kiwikaki game?


Which one is that? Can you link it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nptZ_EAxH00

that's nice


you can watch this aswell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFEuXYlgD1s



Or I could make my point clear without jumping down to your level and spouting incoherent and non-existent arguments. How about you actually debate instead of flaming a method everyone should be using, buddy? Don't be such a tool.

If you had any understanding of the game, there would have been no discussion to begin with. You're asking for balance (even though you address it vaguely, incorporating both economy and army strenght) early, mid and lategame, something that's obtainable only in mirror matches.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 06 2011 20:59 GMT
#438
On February 07 2011 03:17 ganjazerg wrote:
zerg is op.

User was temp banned for this post.

Yeah totally. I mean, having twice the amount of bases has nothing to do with it at all.
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
February 06 2011 21:04 GMT
#439
If MVP had attacked when stim finished we would have won the game right there ;O. But it's cool he didn't, probably he just wanted to practice macro and harass not sure. It's not like he needed to win that game anyway.
Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
February 06 2011 21:12 GMT
#440
I would watch this over the super bowl any day
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