It's funny but a bit unfair. That was the only noticeable mistake Artosis did in that long game and you should be thankful Artosis did this shout cast and shared it with the community.
I laughed hard at that pic
But when I watched the POV version, I didn't see the genius Broodlord, so thanks to Artosis, I am now aware derp. Also, when you see 20 marines under FG with 3 infestors nearby, I don't think, at this level, that it's worth watching them die even if it's entertaining. I mean, they ARE GOING to die under fungal.
He actually left one there, not sure if it was intentional. And it started attacking the stuff on its own. So Idra most likely didn't even notice his genius harrass move.
Hands down for the best match this year so far ! What a show Idra and IMmvp made ! And what a sick multi tasking from IMmvp but Idra managed to execute him perfectly from every aspect and Zergs abilities !! Can you say balanced? Idra basically managed to keep IMmvp at his base becase of harrasement and great time attacks so he had to refill his army
This game perfectly shows how screwed Terran is in late game vs. zerg. Godly play by MVP and it wasn't enough, Terran was never close to winning the game except the first marauder/marine push when he decided not to attack.
Incredible micro - that marine spread at ~27 minutes game time, it was God, not MVP that did that mindblowing split, viking micro against broodlords (and general amazing broodlord defense), MMM micro, drops, saving Thors with medivacs etc... Superb macro. Amazing multitasking - drops in 3 places at once, microing his army, keeping up with macro.
And he was never close to winning the game after 10 minute mark. ))) I don't get why people on TL still argue about the truth that is "terran against Z/P has to win under 15m, otherwise they're screwed". Best TL argument is "terrans have to learn to macro, that's all!" - yeah, MVP and other korean pros clearly have to learn how to macro. ))
This game shows you don't need creep to crush Terran armies, even if you send your banelings like 20 seconds after lings and mutas (that first big engagement lol - no flank, banes way too late but still taking out 3/4 of the terrans defensively camped army hehe). I liked how Idra had 1k minerals and was supply blocked at 110/110 or when he had 2k+ gas and still was ahead all game long. I don't think I have to mention about 2 fungals killing like 30 marines, let alone immobilizing them so they can't run from banelings. I like that balanced spell. I think everyone's used to mutas one-shotting tanks by now, so won't cover that.
So - can't wait for the larger maps to go live, aight bros? Zerg whine seems to be working.
On February 06 2011 09:39 Deekin[ wrote: Im not really excited about this, even without watching its quite obvious IdrA wins this match since its a replay coming from IdrA himself...
He has a live stream, which he provides, for everyone to see; both his wins and losses. So no, you don't get to make drive by snide comments about someone, especially when you're wrong.
Wow you seem to not have any clue of what you talking about. Im not talking about his stream. Im talking about the replays that he gives to Artosis and that Artosis commentates. Its been around 5-6 videos like that where Artosis commentates Idras games and all of them he have won. So its not that exciting to watch when you know who wins.
Woops my bad, but I'd still say it's plenty exciting to watch, even if you know who wins
On February 07 2011 01:17 zakk wrote: This game perfectly shows how screwed Terran is in late game vs. zerg. Godly play by MVP and it wasn't enough, Terran was never close to winning the game except the first marauder/marine push when he decided not to attack.
Incredible micro - that marine spread at ~27 minutes game time, it was God, not MVP that did that mindblowing split, viking micro against broodlords (and general amazing broodlord defense), MMM micro, drops, saving Thors with medivacs etc... Superb macro. Amazing multitasking - drops in 3 places at once, microing his army, keeping up with macro.
And he was never close to winning the game after 10 minute mark. ))) I don't get why people on TL still argue about the truth that is "terran against Z/P has to win under 15m, otherwise they're screwed". Best TL argument is "terrans have to learn to macro, that's all!" - yeah, MVP and other korean pros clearly have to learn how to macro. ))
This game shows you don't need creep to crush Terran armies, even if you send your banelings like 20 seconds after lings and mutas (that first big engagement lol - no flank, banes way too late but still taking out 3/4 of the terrans defensively camped army hehe). I liked how Idra had 1k minerals and was supply blocked at 110/110 or when he had 2k+ gas and still was ahead all game long. I don't think I have to mention about 2 fungals killing like 30 marines, let alone immobilizing them so they can't run from banelings. I like that balanced spell. I think everyone's used to mutas one-shotting tanks by now, so won't cover that.
So - can't wait for the larger maps to go live, aight bros? Zerg whine seems to be working.
you have no clue. idra had a big macro lead. And you don't think sniping tanks with mutalisk is good micro? his drop defence was also very good.
Really people who say terran could do nothing late game damn watch the game, idrA take the lead really soon in the game, and he actually manage to keep his avantage trough the all game with a perfect fashion (muta harass was really good)
On February 07 2011 01:17 zakk wrote: This game perfectly shows how screwed Terran is in late game vs. zerg. Godly play by MVP and it wasn't enough, Terran was never close to winning the game except the first marauder/marine push when he decided not to attack.
remove blinders and stop being a Terran fanboy. rewatch the game and see how long it takes MVP to finally get a third base up.
Immvp made a timing attack to kill off a third to keep Zerg on twobase. There was none. He now had one scan to use on either the creep spread or the natural. If he scanned the natural and burrowed banelings were in the creep, his army dies for no reason. He scans the creep and sees only tumors. He then made a quick calculation on whether it was worth it to blindly run up a ramp in a map as big as shakuras. He decided to play it safe and reinforce with marines and tanks with the goal of stopping the third from becoming established. During his push mutalisk harass disrupt his positioning and he is forced to retreat. He checks the back rocks to see if he can change his plan to go through the back rocks instead, he sees a creep superhighway which means he won't have turret defenses stopping mutalisks from destroying his tanks if he went that direction. He double expands himself and attempts to use drops to even out the worker count (which he did).
This game was not luck, nor was it "playing around"
idra had to sacrifice his army at least twice just to prevent MVP from reaching critical mass. Both players harassed eac other to death killing so many workers. 40-50 workers spread across 3-5 bases is bronze league type stuff. MVP holding on despite being outsupplied 2-1. Idra maintaining pressure despite losing hatcheries and drones CONSTANTLY. Both players microing and macroing with deitic presicion. Broodlord harass, muta Viking battles, drops, siege lines, etc...
On February 07 2011 01:17 zakk wrote: This game perfectly shows how screwed Terran is in late game vs. zerg. Godly play by MVP and it wasn't enough, Terran was never close to winning the game except the first marauder/marine push when he decided not to attack.
Incredible micro - that marine spread at ~27 minutes game time, it was God, not MVP that did that mindblowing split, viking micro against broodlords (and general amazing broodlord defense), MMM micro, drops, saving Thors with medivacs etc... Superb macro. Amazing multitasking - drops in 3 places at once, microing his army, keeping up with macro.
And he was never close to winning the game after 10 minute mark. ))) I don't get why people on TL still argue about the truth that is "terran against Z/P has to win under 15m, otherwise they're screwed". Best TL argument is "terrans have to learn to macro, that's all!" - yeah, MVP and other korean pros clearly have to learn how to macro. ))
This game shows you don't need creep to crush Terran armies, even if you send your banelings like 20 seconds after lings and mutas (that first big engagement lol - no flank, banes way too late but still taking out 3/4 of the terrans defensively camped army hehe). I liked how Idra had 1k minerals and was supply blocked at 110/110 or when he had 2k+ gas and still was ahead all game long. I don't think I have to mention about 2 fungals killing like 30 marines, let alone immobilizing them so they can't run from banelings. I like that balanced spell. I think everyone's used to mutas one-shotting tanks by now, so won't cover that.
So - can't wait for the larger maps to go live, aight bros? Zerg whine seems to be working.
On February 07 2011 01:17 zakk wrote: This game shows you don't need creep to crush Terran armies, even if you send your banelings like 20 seconds after lings and mutas (that first big engagement lol - no flank, banes way too late but still taking out 3/4 of the terrans defensively camped army hehe). I liked how Idra had 1k minerals and was supply blocked at 110/110 or when he had 2k+ gas and still was ahead all game long. I don't think I have to mention about 2 fungals killing like 30 marines, let alone immobilizing them so they can't run from banelings. I like that balanced spell. I think everyone's used to mutas one-shotting tanks by now, so won't cover that.
No comment on the numerous tanks & medivacs lost due to MVP's careless army management? They happen to be more important than preserving the cheap marines...
Hard to imagine your rant being serious, there were so many mistakes made on both sides, only one with extreme bias can draw conclusions of balance from such a game.
It was great play by both Idra and MVP, but nowhere near flawless. Not that I expect it to be, with so much going on the map at once. Entertaining game, definitely
Epic game, thank you very much for casting this artosis.
For note: Mvp played incredibly good and Idra as well. But Mvp didn't lose because of Zerg imba in Lategame. The gamedesider was much earlier in the game, were Mvp stopped his SCV production to do a 2 Base Allin. It only was ridiculous how long the game moves on, after this fail Allin and proofes Mvp's godness.
On February 07 2011 01:17 zakk wrote: This game perfectly shows how screwed Terran is in late game vs. zerg. Godly play by MVP and it wasn't enough, Terran was never close to winning the game except the first marauder/marine push when he decided not to attack.
Incredible micro - that marine spread at ~27 minutes game time, it was God, not MVP that did that mindblowing split, viking micro against broodlords (and general amazing broodlord defense), MMM micro, drops, saving Thors with medivacs etc... Superb macro. Amazing multitasking - drops in 3 places at once, microing his army, keeping up with macro.
And he was never close to winning the game after 10 minute mark. ))) I don't get why people on TL still argue about the truth that is "terran against Z/P has to win under 15m, otherwise they're screwed". Best TL argument is "terrans have to learn to macro, that's all!" - yeah, MVP and other korean pros clearly have to learn how to macro. ))
This game shows you don't need creep to crush Terran armies, even if you send your banelings like 20 seconds after lings and mutas (that first big engagement lol - no flank, banes way too late but still taking out 3/4 of the terrans defensively camped army hehe). I liked how Idra had 1k minerals and was supply blocked at 110/110 or when he had 2k+ gas and still was ahead all game long. I don't think I have to mention about 2 fungals killing like 30 marines, let alone immobilizing them so they can't run from banelings. I like that balanced spell. I think everyone's used to mutas one-shotting tanks by now, so won't cover that.
So - can't wait for the larger maps to go live, aight bros? Zerg whine seems to be working.
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