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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
On February 05 2011 22:10 Mercury- wrote: Except that tanks cost more and do less now, spider mines are gone and vikings are more expensive goliaths with less armor. It's a different game sweetheart. Why does everyone assume terran can't turtle? | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On February 05 2011 05:17 Bagi wrote: But at the same time I feel theres something people do not consider: how much terran actually relies on 1-2 base plays and constant harass to win their games. That is EXACTLY why almost EVERYONE wants bigger maps. Generally games with more than 1-2 bases are more exciting because we get more action time instead of early game. Also, your argument is chicken-or-egg. Terrans rely on 1-2 base pushes BECAUSE they are so strong on current maps, not because the race will be too weak if we get bigger and better maps. Watch the latest game Idra vs MVP on Artosis YouTube. Wouldn't you rather watch games like that instead of 1-2 base near all-ins? Well then, we need more maps as big (or slightly bigger) as Shakuras Plateau. | ||
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orotoss
United States298 Posts
Bigger maps might be harder for Terran to adjust to than the other races at first, but players will inevitably create new styles of play which work, and if one of the new big maps shows a significant win rate for a certain race, then we can say it is "imbalanced." The real issue is allowing enough time for strategies to develop, rather than changing everything as soon as somebody exploits some new build. Look at the 7rr or the 2 rax scv all-in or the 4-gate. Everyone screamed imbalance when these strategies arose but over time they adjusted and found solutions. The same principle can be applied to new maps. Let's try some bigger maps and give them some time. If we find that they are imbalanced then lets fix them or get rid of them. | ||
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rigelq
United States230 Posts
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Tef
Sweden443 Posts
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
I really miss there being units that were capable of controlling space, with lurkers and spider mines, I thought with the force field protoss would have a similar ability but now they're the only ones who can do it and they're probably the race who need it least due to warp-in and their reasonable mobility. | ||
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
Says everything about siege tank damage against armored units. edit: Imo reduce splash and increase damage against armored. | ||
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philcorp
Canada32 Posts
On February 06 2011 03:48 Bommes wrote: Did you know that 2 siege tanks which are clumped up lose against a single colossus if they start attacking at the same time? Says everything about siege tank damage against armored units. edit: Imo reduce splash and increase damage against armored. If you unsiege your tanks it reduces their splash and increases their damage to armoured! | ||
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Armsved
Denmark642 Posts
I dont see terran being able to compete against Z and P on the bigger maps unless they make thors air dmg same for armored as light and buff the tank back to 50 dmg. | ||
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
On February 06 2011 03:52 philcorp wrote: If you unsiege your tanks it reduces their splash and increases their damage to armoured! By the time you unsieged your tanks they are already dead against the colossus. I know that unsieged dps against armored is pretty good. But sieged DPS against armored is really really bad for their mobility, while splash is too good against zerglings/banelings/marines even in small tank numbers. And a stimmed marauder does every little thing better than an unsieged tank. It's just already really really hard to hold a position with tanks under 160 supply, if maps get bigger it will be nearly impossible and you won't see a lot of tank play even in TvT. I'm not saying that terran will be bad on large maps, because that's not the case, but tanks will be very hard to pull off properly. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On February 05 2011 22:13 Shikyo wrote: Not to mention that you don't really need more than 50 workers as T because of mules, and that you can get in under 15 minutes. So, you're trying to say that Terran only need 2 saturated bases? Wouldn't that imply that they are disadvantaged on larger maps, as they wouldn't make the workers necessary to take advantage of more bases? (I personally don't believe that's the case. I also don't believe that Terran only needs 50 workers.) | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On February 05 2011 20:51 Karn3 wrote: I watched a VOD the other of Idra V MVP on shakuras (biggest map in the pool atm) and it think it shows exactly how a terran should play on a big map and how zerg should respond. Its also an AMAZING game and well worth a watch for sheer entertainment value if nothing else. There is always something that is happening, the multitasking on both parts is simply mind boggling. Its also a really close game, i couldn't tell whow as going to win until the last 5 minutes or so of the near 40 minute game. http://www.justin.tv/24california/b/278893657 MVP would have been better served just a-moving up Idra's ramp at the 9:20 minute mark. 6 lings, 1 spine crawler, 1 queen would not have done much to 30 food of marine/marauder. I think that was an excellent demonstration of how despite amazing harass by MVP, Terran still struggles in the post-infestor late game. (Not to deride Idra's play, or anything - his control and macro was solid.) Idra himself said about it: "Early game luck. If marine/marauder attacked, I woulda died." Mods: Apologies for double post... I didn't realise it at the time. | ||
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MooseSoup
United States21 Posts
I actually perfer a macro game my self(I play Terran) even if things do get a bit tricky in the midgame with Zerg and the endgame with Protoss. We NEED to come away from with onebase/allin style that has been so rampant if we want the game to survive and have the longevity that Brood War did. How long do you really think one/twobase plays will continue to stay fun for both the spectator AND the player? No, Terrans will adapt like we always have. Going towards bigger maps is only a good thing, even for us Terran players. If there's anything broken, it will be patched; until then practice makes perfect. Get off your allins and start really playing the game  | ||
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danielsan
Romania399 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 06 2011 06:03 danielsan wrote: It's pretty sad when you get to count all-ins as part of the process of balancing the meta game, dude. None of the strategies I listed are all-ins. Theres a difference between an all-in and early harass/aggressive play being viable. | ||
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danielsan
Romania399 Posts
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DestroManiak
257 Posts
I hope my all-ins dont become obsolete, because I am one of those soulless people who all-in every single game... Hmmm | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 06 2011 06:52 DestroManiak wrote: lol these news made me QQ the whole day :D :D :D I hope my all-ins dont become obsolete, because I am one of those soulless people who all-in every single game... Hmmm Yeah they will so you will probably fall down a rank or 2 if you rely on all ins to win any games. Can't wait till that comes hopefully then being in masters league half of them don't' all in -_-. | ||
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
 . But a super push 3 base 200/200 terran is definitely going to be scary. | ||
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DestroManiak
257 Posts
On February 06 2011 06:56 blade55555 wrote: Yeah they will so you will probably fall down a rank or 2 if you rely on all ins to win any games. Can't wait till that comes hopefully then being in masters league half of them don't' all in -_-. Hmm maybe 4 gate all in could be a viable option for me :D Because that ignores distance right? | ||
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