EPTArtosis can't keep denying high fives on camera. Something HAS to stop.
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If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content. You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical. Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims. | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
Artosis can't keep denying high fives on camera. Something HAS to stop. | ||
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Xayoz
Estonia373 Posts
Will you also make episodes where you discuss balance from Terran point of view? Totally agree about the terran mech tho. Been going full out mech in my TvP mach-ups and so far it has been utterly destroying my protoss opponents (around 3K diamond). Only games i've lost with this are where I get my army caught totally out of position. Will have to see if some protoss thinks of a good way to beat a 2-base push with a large amount of tanks, hellions with marine/viking support. Yet to see it happen. Immortals seem to be doing remarkably bad against that composition. | ||
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LeBadger
Canada37 Posts
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leviathan400
United Kingdom393 Posts
Get someone to do you a intro/logo for the show :D | ||
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Candles
United Kingdom103 Posts
We already know Idra feels that Fungral Growth is too powerful in ZvP and a show about that would help remove this claims of bias. Also many people feel Terran are now underpowered in this current patch, especially trying to go bio against Infestors. Would be interesting to see if there are any shows about that. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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latan
740 Posts
On March 24 2011 09:37 Candles wrote: Seems Artosis and Idra have a perfect chance to get rid of all the criticism about the show being anti Terran now this new patch has come out. We already know Idra feels that Fungral Growth is too powerful in ZvP no he doesn't? | ||
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Ipp
United States456 Posts
On March 24 2011 09:37 Candles wrote: We already know Idra feels that Fungral Growth is too powerful in ZvP and a show about that would help remove this claims of bias. I'm pretty sure I heard the SOTG crew IdrA, Day9, Tyler, JP, InControl talk about how hard Protoss can be to deal with especially "Cruncher style". I think if they thought fungal was OP this wouldn't of been a big discussion point. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
All he said was that its was good. As a zerg player you would understand how its hard to include this unit in your composition verses a protoss. | ||
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Masticorecommander
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NoisyNinja
United States991 Posts
Good job artosis. Sweeping a huge pile of dirt under the rug, only to make it stick out like a sore thumb. The reaper wasn't nerfed slightly. It got Terran 3 nerfs: 1. 45 second reaper build time 2. Depot before Barracks 3. Nitro packs moved to factory. | ||
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thepeonwhocould
Australia334 Posts
It's somewhat balanced at the moment, because our gateway units (zealots and stalkers) are simply so weak relative to Marauders and Roaches. I would like to see a shift in Protoss power away from forcefield and colossus. Charge upgrade would be a good start. Make it 50/50 or something. 200/200 and a citadel is just so much, and its just to turn our zealots from completely useless to almost useless. Have you ever tried to face a terran or zerg using only gateway units? It's virtually impossible. Protoss needs colossus at the moment, if they nerf colossus they have to buff gateway units to compensate. | ||
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Gracksaurusrex
United Kingdom171 Posts
On May 22 2011 23:35 thepeonwhocould wrote: if they nerf colossus they have to buff gateway units to compensate. If colossus was to be nerfed, which is actually very unlikely I feel that is would be better for the Immortal to be buffed, I perfsonally would like to see an increase in immortal range. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Gateway units are weak and colossus makes up for that. Now let me ask a narrow question. Do you ever run up against a mass bio play that does not rely on upgrading marines and marauders to their fullest potential? + Show Spoiler + There are always medivacs to support stim binges. Conc shells are upgraded right away. Combat shields are pretty damn popular too. Now lets throw in all the upgrades and production structures. I think its important to put more value in a Terran player committing heavily to playing with bio and when you go for super efficient AOE T2/3 counters, T building the counters to those as well. I agree with how you feel about gateway units. I actually do. But gateway is the bread for all Protoss armies while MMM or just Marauder play is more of a commitment to produce Marauders and units to support them. I actually disagree with the videos point that Protoss are too dependent. In my mind I compare it to saying Terran is too dependent on medivacs or Zerg is too dependent on infestors. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm certainly (Nor will I ever be) as good as the 2 and a half Zergs point of view. (Idra counts as 2 =Þ ) | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On May 23 2011 00:09 Probe1 wrote: Gateway units are weak and colossus makes up for that. Flat claims like this dont get you far. Gateway units are only weak in certain situations, but they can be strong if used correctly. If you doubt this ask Adelscott ... Maps and the playstyle of the opponent play a huge part in making Gateway units strong (and even after removing the amulet the High Templar is a strong unit). Colossi are a very volatile unit in that they have a very high concentration of firepower per attacking space (there is zero distance between Colossi, thus the number of Colossi who can fire on one spot is maximized). This makes the Colossus a rather difficult unit to balance because it can reach a critical number which insta-kills the opponents units. Insta-kill is a problem for balance and gameplay, because it takes away the comparison of skill between player A and player B. If Siege Tanks did 200 splash damage they would not be as problematic for fights between armies(*1), because the splash kills your own units and dropping one unit on the Siege Tank would get him killed from his buddies, but the Colossus doesnt have the disadvantages of the Siege Tank (immobility and friendly fire splash). I hope this example shows why Colossi can be problematic, but there havent been many whines about them recently, so the players seem to have figured out how to beat them anyways. (*1) They would be IMBA for attacking buildings however ... | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 23 2011 03:09 Nerski wrote: I really don't understand why people keep digging this post up everytime it dies off to respond to someone who said something 4 or 5 months ago. Does anyone look at the forum post dates before they respond to people? Aren't you doing the same but responding about people responding? Anyways since this got Bumped and if Artosis or anyone is still reading this. Will we be getting more of this? I found it a hilarious show | ||
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Xayvier
United States387 Posts
On May 23 2011 04:53 windsupernova wrote: Aren't you doing the same but responding about people responding? Anyways since this got Bumped and if Artosis or anyone is still reading this. Will we be getting more of this? I found it a hilarious show I doubt it, at least not in the same way. Since Idra doesn't live in Korea anymore and all. | ||
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adv1k
Canada12 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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