On January 18 2011 10:26 cazter wrote: Rather we need to market our players, build a story around them and work to connect our audience to them.
For an example I'll use Psy (who is not connected to my original post). Psy for the most part is just one more in-game alias. But with good marketing we could create material that would bring about a personality, or a character in his person that people could connect with. This allows our audience to connect with more then just random SC2 facts.
Then dont market the douches. I honestly cannot believe that every participating well known player is a douche. Disqualify the douches, ban them from future tournaments. Read which players are banned from other tournaments and ban them too (if a good reason for the ban is provided).
Players will change when they suddenly cannot get any invites to tournaments. And if they dont change, there are a lot more players in the "sport" who'll gladly take their places. There doesnt exist that "one" player who needs to be in a tournament. As long as the casters are good & the games are entertaining who plays doesnt really matter that much.
Imagine it being a club / LAN. Yes, it might be harsh to kick out the loud, annoying, swearing guy no one likes. But everyone else will thank you for it for creating a better atmosphere.
I agree entirely with what you say and have some problems of mine own lately with players acting unprofessionally and generally having a poor attitude. It's a shame really but it happens and we have to cope with it! Luckily, not everyone is in the same boat!
Yeah Your right people dont respect each other. Michael Jordan never trash talked. Tiger woods never slept with prostitutes, Tom Brady never walked off the field without shaking the GIants hands after losing the superbowl
THIS IS A COMPETITIVE GAME. People play to win. Deal with the trash talk jesus christ... Have any of you even played a SPORT? What these "Unprofessional players" do would be considered Highly respectful in football... my god.
On January 19 2011 09:05 BetterFasterStronger wrote: Yeah Your right people dont respect each other. Michael Jordan never trash talked. Tiger woods never slept with prostitutes, Tom Brady never walked off the field without shaking the GIants hands after losing the superbowl
THIS IS A COMPETITIVE GAME. People play to win. Deal with the trash talk jesus christ... Have any of you even played a SPORT? What these "Unprofessional players" do would be considered Highly respectful in football... my god.
You will never hear a commentator swear
You will never hear a player say "fuck" in a live interview, followed by "deal with it i'm Swedish"
Trash talk on the field is not heard by the entire audience, whereas ingame chat is - i.e. calling someone a faggot for playing Terran as opposed to calling someone a faggot on the field when noone can hear you (and yes there is a major major difference)
Just a few of the things off the top of my head that should not be happening..
And lastly, the most important point is just because all those things happen DOESN'T MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE! Did all of those mentioned above athletes get into shit for their transgressions - absolutely.. Tiger Woods sleeps with prostitutes therefore we can all be lesser human beings? No. He lost sponsors, lost his marriage and tainted the sport of Golf.. Were all those actions deemed "unprofessional" - of course they were - and did they bring the sport into disrepute? Hell Yes.
So i really am unsure as to what you are trying to prove..
Wow so you found some ancient video of Shaq swearing - do you think that video was well received? Do you think it made basketball seem more or less professional?
and.. "Next?" just makes me respect your point of view even less so congratulations to you if you think all of that is "good for esports" and presents a positive image..
Do i need to search the web for youtube videos/news articles/.wav of people getting into shit for being unprofessional? No because i would be banned for flooding..
You raise quite a few good points, but it should also be mentioned that a lot of the organizers (especially of offline events) also lack professionalism and cause unnecessary hardships for players. It's not the players alone who need to step up, its pretty much everyone involved.
you're talking to a community who embraces IdrA for raging at people. Sure some people are professional, but they hardly ever accomplish anything, its much easier to insult people and gain a name for yourself that way, than to put your nose to the grind and actually work hard.
Think about real life, the kid who doesnt say anything in class, but still gets straight As, you dont remember his name, but the jack off who threw a slushy on a teacher, you know his name, his brother and what hallway he threw the slushy in. Any exposure is good exposure.
On January 19 2011 09:05 BetterFasterStronger wrote: Yeah Your right people dont respect each other. Michael Jordan never trash talked. Tiger woods never slept with prostitutes, Tom Brady never walked off the field without shaking the GIants hands after losing the superbowl
THIS IS A COMPETITIVE GAME. People play to win. Deal with the trash talk jesus christ... Have any of you even played a SPORT? What these "Unprofessional players" do would be considered Highly respectful in football... my god.
I think the OP is more about showing up on time, respecting your team, respecting the people that are running events and basically not screwing with all these people that work hard to create opportunities for the player to shine and make money .
All those players you mentioned show up on time for games, practiced with their teammates (when applicable), and trained hard. I don't think the OP gives much of a shit if they're jerkasses during a game or macking ladies.
IdrA is a great example of a guy that works hard and actually appreciates his team and sponsors.
On January 19 2011 09:05 BetterFasterStronger wrote: Yeah Your right people dont respect each other. Michael Jordan never trash talked. Tiger woods never slept with prostitutes, Tom Brady never walked off the field without shaking the GIants hands after losing the superbowl
THIS IS A COMPETITIVE GAME. People play to win. Deal with the trash talk jesus christ... Have any of you even played a SPORT? What these "Unprofessional players" do would be considered Highly respectful in football... my god.
As stated a few times above me, Your points that you made do not make being unprofessional acceptable by any means. Tiger woods almost ruined the PGA, Jordan was never applauded when he, or any one else talked trash (they are often fined or get in trouble) and Tom brady not shaking hands (same with Lebron James) after a loss is often talked about in a very negative nature. No one wants them to be unprofessional like that and there mistakes are not an excuse for eSports players to copy their mistakes.
And to the poster above me, If someone is running an event that has sponsors and any money on the line, it is up to the people in charge to make sure everything happens on time. I do not think any company would want to sponsor a bunch of videogamers Raging at each other, they sponsor the game.
No respectability is EVER coming out of this place as long as it is this blatantly hypocritical.
Think we all saw where the wannabe "we das community make da rules" websites all ended up.
Just the level of ignorant arrogance and blind 'fanboyism' are pretty good indicators this is never going to rise above laughingstock level.
TL.. "professional"... Let me laugh. The casted replays on youtube are a good example that the most hyped >< the best. TLxxx replays are always pathetic cheeses or C&C1-style retarded 1 unit 1a strategies.
TL is just the house of scrub. Anyone taking this shit seriously is doomed to failure.
Don't call professional gamers athletes. They are exactly that...Professional Gamers not athletes. I've been playing team oriented sports all my life and gamers are not athletes.
On January 19 2011 11:12 Probe... wrote: Don't call professional gamers athletes. They are exactly that...Professional Gamers not athletes. I've been playing team oriented sports all my life and gamers are not athletes.
On January 19 2011 11:12 Probe... wrote: Don't call professional gamers athletes. They are exactly that...Professional Gamers not athletes. I've been playing team oriented sports all my life and gamers are not athletes.
thats called an opinion
What's your definition of an athlete?
Athlete is defined as a person trained to compete in sports.
Now, we have to define what sports is..
Sports - An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
These guys play computer GAMES, they are not athletes. What type of physical exertion is involved by professional players? Carpal Tunnel? Eye straining? Raging? Sitting on your ass between 10- 35 minute games?
GTFO...professional gamers are athletes. Blowing my mind with this shit.
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