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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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cazter
United States31 Posts
On January 18 2011 09:46 InRainbows wrote: I think you're taking esports a little too serious. It's a bunch of nerds who play videogames for money. what do you expect really? It doesn't deserve anything. It's one of my greatest goals and passions in life to see that eSport's succeed's in the West. If that seems silly to some, then so be it. On January 18 2011 09:47 zimz wrote: The tournament runner makes the rules. if you don't disqualify them when they do those things, then its your fault. Spoken in ignorance. We can make rules all day long but it's hardly a matter of scratching a DQ'ed player off our yellow legal paper pad. There are marketing efforts, graphics, and tournament composition that all surround even just a single players involvement. On January 18 2011 10:06 ZeroChrome wrote: You obviously didnt do any research before posting this. KeSPA is a governing body over all BW progamers. None of the stuff you listed happens at proleague/osl/msl events, because all these leagues and the players in them are truly professional. Compared to the BW scene, SC2 'esports' are amateur events atm, like hockey before the NHL was created. People who arent professionals cant be expected to act like them. I wasn't talking about BW. I didn't even post in the BW forum. This was specifically with regard to eSport's in the west. On January 18 2011 10:25 Kennigit wrote: This is up to the organizers. DQ a few dummies for being 15 minutes late - make it very public. Watch people show up on time. This policy resulted in TSL 1/2 running very smoothly. As organizers we could certainly plan on "dummies" and have alternates in place. But what I said still applies. To elaborate on that I would say that really good marketing, particularly as we look into the future, will involve including the players in your event announcements. Simply saying "Big Ass Tournament - With $$$$$" won't result in the level of success we, as event organizers, need to be pushing for. Rather we need to market our players, build a story around them and work to connect our audience to them. For an example I'll use Psy (who is not connected to my original post). Psy for the most part is just one more in-game alias. But with good marketing we could create material that would bring about a personality, or a character in his person that people could connect with. This allows our audience to connect with more then just random SC2 facts. Effort's like these will almost certainly be the future of SC2 marketing. But if players don't live up to their end of the bargain then everything falls through. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On January 18 2011 10:25 Kennigit wrote: This is up to the organizers. DQ a few dummies for being 15 minutes late - make it very public. Watch people show up on time. This policy resulted in TSL 1/2 running very smoothly. While this public spectacle would greatly achieve the results we are hoping for - i would imagine people representing teams or even just themselves would proactively _want_ to act in a professional manner.. not simply as a reaction to punishment.. | ||
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
On January 18 2011 10:26 cazter wrote: It's one of my greatest goals and passions in life to see that eSport's succeed's in the West. If that seems silly to some, then so be it. Spoken in ignorance. We can make rules all day long but it's hardly a matter of scratching a DQ'ed player off our yellow legal paper pad. There are marketing efforts, graphics, and tournament composition that all surround even just a single players involvement. I wasn't talking about BW. I didn't even post in the BW forum. This was specifically with regard to eSport's in the west. It still applies. Western esports are amateur esports. You cant stop unprofessionalism in a random online tournament that is open to the public. If players show up late or do some other bad service to the fans or the other players they should just be disqualified, regardless of how good or famous they are. | ||
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FearGorm
United States112 Posts
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silentsod
United States198 Posts
What kills me when watching a live event is downtime and delays that are either unexpected or unexpectedly long. I get aggravated when there's randomly 20 minutes between matches, commercial breaks showing up out of the blue, and so forth. | ||
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wattra
Canada37 Posts
On January 18 2011 09:57 Tiazi wrote: well e-sports players are human after all.. I don't think its worse or better than other sports to be honest. I would have to agree. People who are rude and late in real life are going to be the same online. Not everyone is going to be super professional but there will definitely be players that we can point to and say that they represent the good in esports. | ||
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SCAtomika
15 Posts
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zimz
United States510 Posts
On January 18 2011 10:26 cazter wrote: It's one of my greatest goals and passions in life to see that eSport's succeed's in the West. If that seems silly to some, then so be it. Spoken in ignorance. We can make rules all day long but it's hardly a matter of scratching a DQ'ed player off our yellow legal paper pad. There are marketing efforts, graphics, and tournament composition that all surround even just a single players involvement. No, your the ignorant one. All organizations are run by rules. Players/coaches have rules they have to abide to when they join the NBA etc. Players and coaches who break the rules get fined, disqualified for number of days/ depending on how bad it is. It doesn't matter if they make millions/famous, etc. Just like many famous players who were disqualified for TSL2. | ||
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skp
Canada134 Posts
Rules should be followed however. If not then players should be prepared to face the consequences. | ||
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
On January 18 2011 10:06 ZeroChrome wrote: You obviously didnt do any research before posting this. KeSPA is a governing body over all BW progamers. None of the stuff you listed happens at proleague/osl/msl events, because all these leagues and the players in them are truly professional. Compared to the BW scene, SC2 'esports' are amateur events atm, like hockey before the NHL was created. People who arent professionals cant be expected to act like them. | ||
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Poonchow
United States56 Posts
The problem with this structure is that players can take advantage of the fact that they, more or less, have to play (because so much time went into making graphics and advertising the games), by showing up late or demanding byes for opponents that show up late etc -- when it should be up to the organizers. The rigid structure basically gives players administrative power. My suggestion would be not having specific games casted, but really just *next available games* when you have more than 1 game going on at once. That way there is less time between games and when players have to go take a dump or something in the middle of the tournament you can switch to a different game when it's in the earlier stages. Also, don't be afraid to disqualify players, even if you have put x number of hours into graphics etc. The sanctity of the tournament is more important than pretty videos and establishing a connection with your audience; it can be the best looking tournament ever, in 1080p with fucking monster trucks bringing in the players and crazy shit, but if the logistics of the tournament aren't sound, if players are running around stabbing audience members or something, then no one is going to care about the show -- at the end of the day it's the tournament that matters. If someone is 20 minutes late and not in contact, you DQ that person, say better luck next time, and move on with the show. No point in letting the legitimacy of the tournament suffer because of a butthurt player. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
You are likely to see 1 or 2 sour apples per tournament online. But thats because of the giant wall the internet builds in terms of 'protection'. I can say whatever i want to say online, as I am anonymous (well not really anymore but you get my point). I dare say that the guys who do not do the right thing online, rarely go to offline events, and if they do, are usually the most quiet of people. Complaining about it isn't going to get you anywhere  | ||
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Azuremen
United States71 Posts
On January 18 2011 10:39 FearGorm wrote: Please keep in mind that this does not represent an official opinion of the SCReddit staff or the SCRI organizers. Quite glad it does not. Cazter, you are taking this too seriously. A tournament that is run online is going to have all kinds of issues involved, and if the organizers don't put down some rules that the players need to abide by, it is their own issue. It is in the player's interest to not get disqualified over being late and such, and being an organizer means realizing when you need to draw a line. You can't politely ask for people to be more "professional" when there is no actual incentive. In short, stop whining if you don't have the balls to do something about it. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
It's not his fault his internet was garbage, unless you mean the 5 mins where he left to try and fix it, but what do you expect? o_0 Unless I missed something? | ||
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On January 18 2011 10:25 Kennigit wrote: This is up to the organizers. DQ a few dummies for being 15 minutes late - make it very public. Watch people show up on time. This policy resulted in TSL 1/2 running very smoothly. This is very true, even if it messes up the build up of the event you need to draw a fine line and set an example. DQ any players for being douches and if the buildup of the game is ruined, the community and viewers will know it was the players fault for X reason. Players will build up a reputation for being douches and unless their behaviour changes, they will suffer consequences in terms of invites to events. Players will also know where the line is drawn, and what flexibility the organizers can allow. I think this is key. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On January 18 2011 09:46 InRainbows wrote: I think you're taking esports a little too serious. It's a bunch of nerds who play videogames for money. what do you expect really? It doesn't deserve anything. MLG has raised $50 M in venture capital, if I recall. It was a bunch of nerds playing videogames for money, but if they expect to actually be professional -- make a living playing videogames -- they should probably act accordingly, and treat the sport and the people that make it happen with respect. But that's just my opinion. | ||
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qxc
United States550 Posts
I bet if GSL really cracked down on professionalism you would see the end of idra rage because it's not worth losing that opportunity. Right now very few if any tournaments have any kind of restrictions on past behavior. short story - people will be professional when they have to be. | ||
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