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Hello there!
Back in the SC2 beta I used to play random, which is something I also did in WC3. Random is fun, diverse, you get all the good stuff from all the 3 races. However in 1on1 I figured, I have to pick a race if I want to improve. Right now in terms of 1v1 I am jack of all trades, but a master of none. In 2on2s I play random, I am diamond there and it is all good since it is 2on2. But 1v1? Hell, I have to choose a race. Unfortunately: I can't, so I'd like to have advice.
Terran
I like the huge amount of strategic options you have with terran. I also find the mirror match the most fun of all mirror matches and I alos feel quite confident about it since I was good at TvT during beta and have a good sense at what to do against T as T when I play 2v2.
However, I kinda dislike Terran for some reason. When I watch pro games, I'd always cheer for the Protoss or Zerg. I don't why. T somehow feels a bit abusive to me and I am not like "Terran has such cool units, wow!". P and Z are just cooler and more stylish.
Protoss
The few games of SC:BW I played, I played Protoss. Since my favourite race in WC3 was Orc, who also have high cost, strong units as protoss, I feel naturally drawn to Protoss.
I feel comfortable playing Protoss and I love microing the Protoss units. I like the style of the race and the unit design. One thing I don't like is the feeling of being not as flexible as the other races. I always feel very defensive and scared as Protoss until mid/late game.
Zerg
Zerg is great. Love the look, love the way they are played. I like the fast units and the counter attack style as well as their harassment options. The only cons are:
1. Zerg is the most difficult to learn race, which needs lots of practice.
2. Zerg is not as cool as Protoss.
So from how I feel about the races, what do you think is what I am looking for? Please also consider my WC3 background.
I actually find this thread pretty dumb and I am kind of ashamed for it, but... I don't wanna play 2on2 anymore as random, always saying to myself: "When you made up your mind which race to play, then start playing 1on1."
So I want you guys to decide on my behalf.
Thanks for everyone not laughing at me and helping me out with this identity crisis.
Poll: Which race should I choose?Dude, just play random if you can't decide... (160) 54% Protoss (77) 26% Zerg (31) 10% Terran (28) 9% 296 total votes Your vote: Which race should I choose? (Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Dude, just play random if you can't decide...
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start with random, get to know every race in depth, see which one you like most or suits your type of play and go 
Anyhow, random ftw
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There is nothing wrong with playing random  There is also nothing wrong with playing one race, then swapping to another for a while. Do whatever you get the most enjoyment from.
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Its really only possible for yourself to decide. Yes go with the one you feel most comfortable with.
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I think you should choose zerg, definitely not Terran. My opinion about Terran is the same as yours, they are good, tons of strategies, but I dislike them. I am switching between protoss and zerg a lot, (few months of this, few months of that) and playing protoss now.
I think zerg, if played correctly (Which you will learn in time) will be the most fun ^^. You do however need some endurance (my younger brother plays zerg and owns me. I'm just nog patient enough to learn zerg to its fullest  ).
good luck on picking your race though ^^
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Random, get the best of all.
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i played orc in wc3 like u and played protoss right away from beta.
no regrets till now.
playing terran as an orc it just feels like u would betray ur orc brothers just like lyn did.
so play protoss!
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I understand your situation, once you play random for a good period of time you are attached to all three races for different reasons and its hard to settle. I would just keep playing and watching pros play, eventually something will stick out to you and help you decide.
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There is no one race fits all answer. You just have to play and play and see what you enjoy the most. I currently like Protoss, although Zerg is starting to look appealing for some reason. Tastes change over time so what you pick now could be different in the future. The only way you can possibly know what race you will pick will be the one you dominate in and enjoy is if your....Tasteless...>_>.
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On January 17 2011 08:33 Liveon wrote:I think you should choose zerg, definitely not Terran. My opinion about Terran is the same as yours, they are good, tons of strategies, but I dislike them. I am switching between protoss and zerg a lot, (few months of this, few months of that) and playing protoss now. I think zerg, if played correctly (Which you will learn in time) will be the most fun ^^. You do however need some endurance (my younger brother plays zerg and owns me. I'm just nog patient enough to learn zerg to its fullest ). good luck on picking your race though ^^
Hmm, I somehow like the thought of this... Probably what I will do. Or random - as it seems what most people recommend.
Thanks for your help to all of you so far!
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I'd recommend playing random for a while, and seeing which one you are best at/enjoy most.
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Play random and find which race you feel most comfortable with - i think you get 50 games in the practice league? Figure out which one suits your style and then dominate!
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I have been there several times man, now I finally figured what race fits me and I am pretty sure it will fit you too, random. Random is gosu man. You have things you dislike because of lack of skill on all races and playing random you get to improve them. You will have the coolest portraits to brag to your friends about and in tourneys you can basically just sit there and stretch your fingers while gently picking your match-up. Random is gosu.
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Hmm.... The thing about Zerg is, it actually isn't hard to learn the build and transitions into lategame, and not even really hard to learn how to inject properly and macro (at least it wasn't hard for me.) The hard part about Zerg is learning how to not die. Terran and Protoss have so many ways to abuse you as a Zerg player and you have to know how to deal each and every way or you will lose.
Terran, it feels like you have 50 different strategies and builds you can use for each matchup, and its true... you do. imo Terran is the most complete race in the game, and it has so far actually been much harder for me to learn (I recently switched to Terran) than Zerg was because of the insane amount of build orders and transitions.
Protoss... You are right, they are not as flexible as Terran. I don't have much experience here but they seem to be the least complicated when it comes to the actual act of having a build order and macroing, but much more complicated and fun when it comes to micro. Watch HuK's stream and you'll know what I mean.
Pick Zerg if you want to learn the most about the game (you have to understand everything the enemy can do and know how to scout it and counter it. this is especially true in ZvZ)
Pick Terran if you want to have 135423 different ways to kill your opponent, but more complex build orders and transitions. Also they have Siege Tanks and Thors, which are the most badass units in the game.
Pick Protoss if you want to get mad bitches with your micro skills.
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On January 17 2011 08:40 neppi wrote:
I have been there several times man, now I finally figured what race fits me and I am pretty sure it will fit you too, random. Random is gosu man. You have things you dislike because of lack of skill on all races and playing random you get to improve them. You will have the coolest portraits to brag to your friends about and in tourneys you can basically just sit there and stretch your fingers while gently picking your match-up. Random is gosu.
This. Random gives you kickass portraits (viking anyone), and also a very good undertanding of game mechanics. It might be harder to climb the ladder as random, but if you make it it will be a real achievement.
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i guess this is a really well made poll, to see which race is most played on TL
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Zerg is so the coolest! :p
I honestly think you already know what race you wanna play. Just pick one, your first reaction, and go with it. Have fun! Nothing we are going to say can validate your choice for you, just look into your heart and you'll know what you wanna play. Good Luck!
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interesting how you group protoss with orcs, i always just went protoss right off the bat because i love being able to build a building and then just leave (probes, undead) so i always grouped protoss and undead in a similar package since the workers are similar :D
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If you can't decide, play random. But as a protoss player I have to comment that IMO the "inflexibility" is part of protoss fun. It can be worked around.
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Play Zerg. They're the most mechanically demanding race and will make you the best player in the end....
Speaking of which, why haven't I switched to Zerg yet?
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I played random until I decided on Zerg, although I was a protoss player in BW.
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Don't pick the race that is easiest to play, pick the race that you like the most. By the sound of things it seems that you like Zerg the most. However you have to remind yourself that if you like playing random there is nothing wrong with going random. The game is about fun so just have the most fun you can.
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You can also check out the Blizzard race trailers at blizzard.com.
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Play anything but Protoss. You will want to kill yourself after witnessing the horrors of PvP and a thousand 4 gates.
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Take Day9 as an example to follow, play random since you enjoy it, if you feel your losing a particular matchup, for example ZvP, then just blast through as many ZvP's as possible until your comfortable.
Something I would suggest though is not sticking to the same build for each race.
Also another note, anyone that plays Random is immediatly a badass - stick with it! ^^
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Play all three and see which one you like the most. :shakeshead:
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I'm a former WC3 player and this is what I have found for most of the players converting from WC3 to SC2:
NE players to Zerg - The speed aspect. However much more Macro intensive compared to NE/WC3 in general.
Orc players to Protoss - The more beefy HP units. Maybe more similar to Orc in that aspect with Grunts/raiders. I'd say most WC3 players in general switch to protoss. Psi Storm is pretty similar to a few wc3 hero skills.
Human players to Terran - richman, sonkie, top human players on USEast mostly all are Terran.
UD to Protoss/Zerg. Really don't have any logic behind it. Maybe ghouls to zerglings, Fiends to stalkers. Undead has creep to build on like Zerg.
Whatever race was your favorite go with it man... GL!
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Play terran and learn from good 1 base all in's you'll be diamond in a day.
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Honestly, you have to stop looking at the race itself and more its match ups.
For example, don't just say PROTOSS IS COOL SHINEY LIKE THE WAY THEY PLAY ECT.
look at it like this:
PvP: Very cheesey, alot of 4 gating not much late game play
PvT: For the most part you have to be defensive, used Collusi/Storm in late game
ect. ect.
Stop looking at the race, and start looking at how match ups are played. You should play random, sit down after awhile and see which set of match ups you feel you can be most successful with.
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Random isn't good enough because it'll take a while to play a good amount of games with all the matchups. I suggest playing 10-25 games with each race and then deciding. If you still can't decide at that point then play random... or man up and make a decision.
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I suppose if you play random, then you benefit from knowing all three races, so you know what's gonna hurt the enemy or what's gonna make you safe from him. And chances are you might get bored playing just one race all the time, so random is keeping the fun in for you.
If you can't decide, you could, say, mass some vs AI achievements while making up your mind without risking your ladder rank.
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dont play "random", play Z for a while, then play P for a while, it will give you a more complete image of what you prefer
forget about T
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If you want to play a race because they "look cool", or are "attractive", then you have no hope. Here are my recommendations:
1) Play the game on LOWEST settings. Start to like the game because of the strategy, and not the artistic appeal. That's the first road to finding a race; blocking out the shiny and neat graphics.
Here are your racial statements which are all false:
T) Don't think that playing T will make you seem as if you are abusing the game. That abuse is called strategy. People who get mad at the T "abuse" is the failure to adapt to strategy and counter it.
P) Don't think that P is like playing Orc in WC3. That's it for this part. No similarity. At all.
Z) Z is not the most difficult race (unless you mean difficult = macro). That's idiotic to state that one race somehow is more difficult than all others. It's the minutia of detail that players input into mastering a race that determines how good they are at the race. Balance issues get patched overtime; one day people can QQ about Protoss, the next day they can very easily QQ about Zerg. We have no control over Blizzard and balance. We only have control over our own practice.
Now that I have laid out the fundamentals to you, decide what "intrigues" you. If you like Macro, go Zerg. If you like Micro, go Protoss. If you like a balance, go Terran. That's about as general as I can say from my decade in SC.
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Like people have said before, judge it on the match-ups that are fun for you to play, not just the race itself.
Personally I find ZvZ extremely fun, some people hate it with a passion. It can range anywhere from a ling/bling war that almost feels more like an arcade game than starcraft, to a huge macro battle where almost any unit composition can succeed.
Play some custom games as random and go with the race you have most fun playing.
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I play terran, and i like that its super fexible and there are a lot of strategic options. The problem is that you must harass and be aggressive as it. You can't stand there doing nothing unless u are going mech. The abusive part isn't something i keep in mind because, i know there are a lot of ways to be abusive but most are pretty cheesy. I always try to go solid strategies.
But since ur past is Orc, i think Protoss is ur race. Specially because u consider their units cool.
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Zerg is fundamentally hard to play because of the Larvae Mechanic. As every good SC2 player knows how to produce workers, Zerg needs to learn how to switch from mass droning to unit production. Once you learn this, you shouldn't have a problem with Zerg, but as a beginner many tend to have this problem.
Protoss is by far the simplest race to play because of lack of diversity. Many games will end up being a "War of the Worlds" Colossus Fest, Warp-in Psi Storm Fest, or mass Warpgates. However, keep in mind that Protoss relies heavily on their spellcasters, namely the Sentry and High Templar.
I don't know much about Terran because I'm terrible on that race.
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Just stay random.. Seems like you enjoy all the races anyway, so I don't see why not.
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On January 17 2011 11:02 wester25 wrote:
toss is boss
Then we went to GSL and they said that we lost?
/until recently :p
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On January 17 2011 11:10 .Theory wrote:
Just stay random.. Seems like you enjoy all the races anyway, so I don't see why not.
There is a 66% chance you're not Protoss playing random. I see why not
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well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
different different better
different different better
different different better
i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you.
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On January 17 2011 11:24 Keldrath wrote:
well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
different different better
different different better
different different better
i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you.
this is horribly incorrect.
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On January 17 2011 11:24 Keldrath wrote:
well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
different different better
different different better
different different better
i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you.
Shake my head. Shake until I puke.
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I played random in beta and for around 50 games in retail, after getting zerg around 4 times in a row and getting roflstomped i decided i should choose a race.
It was hard between zerg and terran, but i chose terran in the end. I find them to be the most fun, with huge eco/tech builds as well as fun micro rush builds.
I say just play random and choose one race that you dont want to play, and then pick between the two.
I still offrace zerg in team games and customs, even though i suck with them.
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On January 17 2011 11:29 Reptilia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:24 Keldrath wrote:
well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
different different better
different different better
different different better
i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you. this is horribly incorrect.
i dont know ive seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a terran pull all of his scvs and marine rush with a huge army, almost win with it but fail, then with 9 workers vs the zergs 40 workers actually have a higher income than the zerg and have another huge attack ready and coming within a minute, stay on 9 workers for like 15 more minutes while still having a higher income the entire time and throwing awve after wave of huge marine balls at the zerg and not even start building more scv's till 25 minutes into the game. only to eventually give up and lose.
the fact that he could stay in that long after losing his entire army and workers without any problem while maintaining a higher income is pretty ridiculous. it just feels like terran can be careless and lose their whole army without being punished for it where the other races its pretty much GG.
but i dont want this to turn into a balance discussion, im just displaying the strength of terran.
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imo most people say how terran is the easiest to play, its not!!! from my experience the biggest weakness of Terran is the lack of mobility. majority of the terran units are slow-medium in speed so backstabbing is a huge problem (without planetary fortress the 2nd expo is immossible or very hard to take since ur enemy can hit from so many angles and ur army simply cant move fast enough to defend all corners).
terran army is all about positioning, defending, and countering ur enemies blows. making buildings sucks cuz we need scv for the whole construction, scouting is a bit later and scouts cant regenerate no effectively gas block or proxy.
all the races have their ups and down, no race is "easy" so STFU NOOBS get to master's league and then talk about balance and difficulty of each race
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Zerg is not as cool as Protoss
I think this sums it up. Day9 always said that you should pick the race you feel is the coolest, not the race you play best with, or has an advantage that you like.
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from ur OP i'd say protoss.
i also always feel like toss is the best race for war3 players
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i vote anything other than protoss because that would be one more person chancing a pvp. screw that.
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you said that zerg and terran aren't as cool as toss so i think you already had your mind made up before making this post. i think toss is a good pick anyway.
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Play random man, you'll get a much greater understanding of the game and the matchups and keeps the game very interesting. Not to mention you automatically look cooler if you play random 
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On January 17 2011 11:52 Keldrath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:29 Reptilia wrote:On January 17 2011 11:24 Keldrath wrote:
well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
different different better
different different better
different different better
i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you. this is horribly incorrect. i dont know ive seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a terran pull all of his scvs and marine rush with a huge army, almost win with it but fail, then with 9 workers vs the zergs 40 workers actually have a higher income than the zerg and have another huge attack ready and coming within a minute, stay on 9 workers for like 15 more minutes while still having a higher income the entire time and throwing awve after wave of huge marine balls at the zerg and not even start building more scv's till 25 minutes into the game. only to eventually give up and lose. the fact that he could stay in that long after losing his entire army and workers without any problem while maintaining a higher income is pretty ridiculous. it just feels like terran can be careless and lose their whole army without being punished for it where the other races its pretty much GG. but i dont want this to turn into a balance discussion, im just displaying the strength of terran.
Edit because I misread the post.
I find it hard to believe that a decent zerg with 40 drones couldn't get enough banelings up to crush a 9 SCV marine all-in...
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On January 17 2011 11:52 Keldrath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:29 Reptilia wrote:On January 17 2011 11:24 Keldrath wrote:
well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
different different better
different different better
different different better
i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you. this is horribly incorrect. i dont know ive seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a terran pull all of his scvs and marine rush with a huge army, almost win with it but fail, then with 9 workers vs the zergs 40 workers actually have a higher income than the zerg and have another huge attack ready and coming within a minute, stay on 9 workers for like 15 more minutes while still having a higher income the entire time and throwing awve after wave of huge marine balls at the zerg and not even start building more scv's till 25 minutes into the game. only to eventually give up and lose. the fact that he could stay in that long after losing his entire army and workers without any problem while maintaining a higher income is pretty ridiculous. it just feels like terran can be careless and lose their whole army without being punished for it where the other races its pretty much GG. but i dont want this to turn into a balance discussion, im just displaying the strength of terran.
That is called saturation. 40 drones on 8 patches versus 9 SCV's on 8 patches is about 2x more efficient for the Zerg. But if he spreads his 40 drones out to 24 patches (3 base), he goes up 6-fold over the T in terms of income. Clearly whatever Z you were watching is stupid.
In terms of MULEs, you can call them down all you want, but if you aren't scanning as T, and just trying to use your racial ability to get +300 minerals every 50 energy, you will most likely lose to an unscouted Z going for a Muta harass. Hence the nature of T needing to balance energy, exactly like Z balances Injects v Creep Tumors. Yaaaay strategy! Instead of mindless play! (U c wat I did thar?)
To OP: Don't consider this person's statement. It's stupid. Go with what feels comfortable to you, and not what the current Patch 1."X" consensus states. That consensus will be gone come Patch 1."X+1", mark my word.
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play both zerg and protoss?
I do, although tbf I play each one for a while exclusively then switch instead of going back and forth frequently. Think Im gonna stick with P though because Id rather PvP than ZvZ (which is still better than TvT IMO).
oh, and laser beams.
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On January 17 2011 13:21 red_b wrote:
oh, and laser beams.
Pewpewpewpewpew.
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On January 17 2011 13:15 gulati wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:52 Keldrath wrote:On January 17 2011 11:29 Reptilia wrote:On January 17 2011 11:24 Keldrath wrote:
well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
different different better
different different better
different different better
i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you. this is horribly incorrect. i dont know ive seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a terran pull all of his scvs and marine rush with a huge army, almost win with it but fail, then with 9 workers vs the zergs 40 workers actually have a higher income than the zerg and have another huge attack ready and coming within a minute, stay on 9 workers for like 15 more minutes while still having a higher income the entire time and throwing awve after wave of huge marine balls at the zerg and not even start building more scv's till 25 minutes into the game. only to eventually give up and lose. the fact that he could stay in that long after losing his entire army and workers without any problem while maintaining a higher income is pretty ridiculous. it just feels like terran can be careless and lose their whole army without being punished for it where the other races its pretty much GG. but i dont want this to turn into a balance discussion, im just displaying the strength of terran. That is called saturation. 40 drones on 8 patches versus 9 SCV's on 8 patches is about 2x more efficient for the Zerg. But if he spreads his 40 drones out to 24 patches (3 base), he goes up 6-fold over the T in terms of income. Clearly whatever Z you were watching is stupid. In terms of MULEs, you can call them down all you want, but if you aren't scanning as T, and just trying to use your racial ability to get +300 minerals every 50 energy, you will most likely lose to an unscouted Z going for a Muta harass. Hence the nature of T needing to balance energy, exactly like Z balances Injects v Creep Tumors. Yaaaay strategy! Instead of mindless play! (U c wat I did thar?) To OP: Don't consider this person's statement. It's stupid. Go with what feels comfortable to you, and not what the current Patch 1."X" consensus states. That consensus will be gone come Patch 1."X+1", mark my word.
no the zerg stayed on 2 bases. terran was also on 2.
you can see the game im referencing cause it was in the team liquid something or other, that teamspeak open that was like yesterday? it was destiny vs some terran on shakuras, i forget the terrans name but it was destiny's like 3rd or 4th match.
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Starting with random is always good. In my opinion, all beginners should play at least 15 games as random before deciding on a race.
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Well, I play as Terran and I currently hate them. Lol. Im just too stubborn, and dont have enough time to learn a dif race to switch. But if I could, id easily pick Protoss.
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On January 17 2011 13:23 Keldrath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 13:15 gulati wrote:On January 17 2011 11:52 Keldrath wrote:On January 17 2011 11:29 Reptilia wrote:On January 17 2011 11:24 Keldrath wrote:
well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
different different better
different different better
different different better
i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you. this is horribly incorrect. i dont know ive seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a terran pull all of his scvs and marine rush with a huge army, almost win with it but fail, then with 9 workers vs the zergs 40 workers actually have a higher income than the zerg and have another huge attack ready and coming within a minute, stay on 9 workers for like 15 more minutes while still having a higher income the entire time and throwing awve after wave of huge marine balls at the zerg and not even start building more scv's till 25 minutes into the game. only to eventually give up and lose. the fact that he could stay in that long after losing his entire army and workers without any problem while maintaining a higher income is pretty ridiculous. it just feels like terran can be careless and lose their whole army without being punished for it where the other races its pretty much GG. but i dont want this to turn into a balance discussion, im just displaying the strength of terran. That is called saturation. 40 drones on 8 patches versus 9 SCV's on 8 patches is about 2x more efficient for the Zerg. But if he spreads his 40 drones out to 24 patches (3 base), he goes up 6-fold over the T in terms of income. Clearly whatever Z you were watching is stupid. In terms of MULEs, you can call them down all you want, but if you aren't scanning as T, and just trying to use your racial ability to get +300 minerals every 50 energy, you will most likely lose to an unscouted Z going for a Muta harass. Hence the nature of T needing to balance energy, exactly like Z balances Injects v Creep Tumors. Yaaaay strategy! Instead of mindless play! (U c wat I did thar?) To OP: Don't consider this person's statement. It's stupid. Go with what feels comfortable to you, and not what the current Patch 1."X" consensus states. That consensus will be gone come Patch 1."X+1", mark my word. no the zerg stayed on 2 bases. terran was also on 2. you can see the game im referencing cause it was in the team liquid something or other, that teamspeak open that was like yesterday? it was destiny vs some terran on shakuras, i forget the terrans name but it was destiny's like 3rd or 4th match.
Direct link us. I would like to see a T with two bases and 9 SCVs being in any tournament. Unless his name is BitByBit.Prime
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I guess for me it was because I played Terran in BW for like my entire childhood, so Terran to me seemed to fit the bill going into SC2. I just started playing them and now I find I can't really get the hang of the other two races.
But who knows! I think Zerg would be my next choice though.
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Play random.
I had the same problem. I played until I hit diamond then switched to terran since that was my best race.
Never regret it to this day. that and you get a feel for the other races and their timings and styles. really helps fighting them
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On January 17 2011 13:34 gulati wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 13:23 Keldrath wrote:On January 17 2011 13:15 gulati wrote:On January 17 2011 11:52 Keldrath wrote:On January 17 2011 11:29 Reptilia wrote:On January 17 2011 11:24 Keldrath wrote:
well, zerg is the hardest to play because its the easiest to lose with, protoss is very strong and neigh invincible if played correctly, but terran can do pretty much everything zerg and protoss can do, but better. its basically like this.
zerg protoss terran
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i mean, it sucks to say but its sad but true. but just play what you like, these are just some things to consider. maybe you like working hard for your wins, maybe you just want them to be fairly easy. or maybe you just like one race more just cause its cooler to you. this is horribly incorrect. i dont know ive seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a terran pull all of his scvs and marine rush with a huge army, almost win with it but fail, then with 9 workers vs the zergs 40 workers actually have a higher income than the zerg and have another huge attack ready and coming within a minute, stay on 9 workers for like 15 more minutes while still having a higher income the entire time and throwing awve after wave of huge marine balls at the zerg and not even start building more scv's till 25 minutes into the game. only to eventually give up and lose. the fact that he could stay in that long after losing his entire army and workers without any problem while maintaining a higher income is pretty ridiculous. it just feels like terran can be careless and lose their whole army without being punished for it where the other races its pretty much GG. but i dont want this to turn into a balance discussion, im just displaying the strength of terran. That is called saturation. 40 drones on 8 patches versus 9 SCV's on 8 patches is about 2x more efficient for the Zerg. But if he spreads his 40 drones out to 24 patches (3 base), he goes up 6-fold over the T in terms of income. Clearly whatever Z you were watching is stupid. In terms of MULEs, you can call them down all you want, but if you aren't scanning as T, and just trying to use your racial ability to get +300 minerals every 50 energy, you will most likely lose to an unscouted Z going for a Muta harass. Hence the nature of T needing to balance energy, exactly like Z balances Injects v Creep Tumors. Yaaaay strategy! Instead of mindless play! (U c wat I did thar?) To OP: Don't consider this person's statement. It's stupid. Go with what feels comfortable to you, and not what the current Patch 1."X" consensus states. That consensus will be gone come Patch 1."X+1", mark my word. no the zerg stayed on 2 bases. terran was also on 2. you can see the game im referencing cause it was in the team liquid something or other, that teamspeak open that was like yesterday? it was destiny vs some terran on shakuras, i forget the terrans name but it was destiny's like 3rd or 4th match. Direct link us. I would like to see a T with two bases and 9 SCVs being in any tournament. Unless his name is BitByBit.Prime
ill see if i can get ahold of it, doesnt seem the replay pack for the tournament doesnt go that far back in the tournament, which i guess makes sense since its a 2k player tournament.
for sure it was steven bonnell vs deepfield1 shakuras plateau round of 256
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I love how much people are choosing Protoss, as if we need more 4gaters that cruisecontrol to Diamond...
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Dude, just play random if you can't decide...
after some games you will see which race you really like and perhabs random will be your "main race"
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On January 17 2011 08:28 Iamyournoob wrote:
Hello there!
Back in the SC2 beta I used to play random, which is something I also did in WC3. Random is fun, diverse, you get all the good stuff from all the 3 races. However in 1on1 I figured, I have to pick a race if I want to improve. Right now in terms of 1v1 I am jack of all trades, but a master of none. In 2on2s I play random, I am diamond there and it is all good since it is 2on2. But 1v1? Hell, I have to choose a race. Unfortunately: I can't, so I'd like to have advice. Don't pick because of a playstyle. If you are new, you don't yet have a Starcraft playstyle.
Pick your race for any reason. If you like the golden, elegant look of Protoss, pick Toss. If you like the raw metal and heavy tanks, play Terran. If you cannot resist the slimy, organic, vile Zerg appereance, choose the Swarm.
I played for the horde in WC2 and 3 but picked zerg in SC1 and 2. Because of the organic, natural appereance.
On January 17 2011 08:28 Iamyournoob wrote: 1. Zerg is the most difficult to learn race, which needs lots of practice. Zerg is not a race for everyone, true. In Low-mid level, you normally need higher APM with zerg compared to T or P. But look the other way: With zerg you often can improve your play just with faster clicking and more efficient hotkey use and better multitasking and macro. You don't need a new, fancy strategy right away.
On January 17 2011 08:28 Iamyournoob wrote: 2. Zerg is not as cool as Protoss. Watch the FruitDealer games of GSL Open Season 1. A lot of ultralisks, roflstomping anything in their way, is kinda cool.
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Join the swarm, it is cool be a underdog.
You need to be a glutton for punishment though.
On January 17 2011 11:52 Keldrath wrote:
i dont know ive seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a terran pull all of his scvs and marine rush with a huge army, almost win with it but fail, then with 9 workers vs the zergs 40 workers actually have a higher income than the zerg and have another huge attack ready and coming within a minute, stay on 9 workers for like 15 more minutes while still having a higher income the entire time and throwing awve after wave of huge marine balls at the zerg and not even start building more scv's till 25 minutes into the game. only to eventually give up and lose.
the fact that he could stay in that long after losing his entire army and workers without any problem while maintaining a higher income is pretty ridiculous. it just feels like terran can be careless and lose their whole army without being punished for it where the other races its pretty much GG.
but i dont want this to turn into a balance discussion, im just displaying the strength of terran.
Lol, you are talking about the last match Destiny had before TT1, it was quite sick.
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Anything but Protoss and you're good to go.
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Have your friend pick a number between 1 and 3 1 being toss 2 being terran 3 being zerg, if he picks a number and u dont like that race and dont wanna play it start over with the other 2 remaining numbers, if you dont like the number he picked throw that race out and play the one remaining race!
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I main Protoss and all I can say is that I find it extremly fun to play, but if I could have the time to swap race I'd prefer Terran because then I wouldn't be so bound to certain openings. But I have never understood what's fun with Zerg because of so many reasons.
All these thoughts are individual and playing every race will make you learn what you like and dislike from a race, even if you would go pro it will take a long time and playing every race in the beginning would make it easier to say "hey I like this alot" and you keep on playing that race.
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I switch pretty often, keeps the game fresh
Was protoss in beta, played terran when the game came out. after about 250 wins with terrans i switched to zerg. Now with about 200 wins as Zerg i'm about ready to switch back to protoss, starting to really hate ZvP hehe.
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On January 17 2011 20:26 indiehjaerta wrote:
I main Protoss and all I can say is that I find it extremly fun to play, but if I could have the time to swap race I'd prefer Terran because then I wouldn't be so bound to certain openings. But I have never understood what's fun with Zerg because of so many reasons. Let me try on this one.
As zerg, you have banelings.
Zerg is the "evil" race, this is part of the fun. You build mean insectoids and disgusting roaches.
As zerg, you have the mobility. Speedlings and mutas can travel very fast. You can own the map without needing a lot of units.
As zerg, you have queens. Queens make me feel safe. I can deflect harass, even air harass, I can heal both units and structures (and even other queens!) I can spread the infestation and of course I can inject larvae to build even more hideous monstrosities.
As zerg, your "static" defense can walk around and root elsewhere on creep.
As zerg, I always feel that there is a lot to improve in my play. This is may be the most important thing on the long term.
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No one can decide for you.. Just play what you enjoy playing the most, if you still cannot decide.. random.
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You said you liked TvT the most, if you dont like ZvZ and PvP go for T, most important is to have fun while playing.. I played P since start of beta until just some weeks ago, but i always thougt Z was more fun, so i switched over to Z and i play more 1v1 on ladder then ever before still, the first twenty games are a loosefest when you switch races  , it was worth it tho
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