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Honestly, all I want is the old Battle.net 1.0 custom map system. The only thing about 2.0 that I'm not satisfied with is the clan support and the custom map system. The custom map system SUCKS. I also want LAN back.
But look at some of their custom games improvements.
1. You download the map before you join the game instead of afterwards and waiting for people to DL.
2. Spectators and Referee support.
3. Custom colors
4. AI can participate in custom games
5. Party system (though it could be much better, at least they have a party system)
6. Invite player option
7. Much easier to move people around and supports alot of people
Now the things that really suck:
1. You create a game and give it a name like, "BGH diamond only" This is all I really want instead of the stupid popularity system which takes forever to find people for a unpopular game. (fixes most of the issues)
2. You can't have spectators in a party game, you have to manually disband the party and create a private game
3. No regional play. I want to try my luck against them koreans
4. Game autostart if it is a public game
This is about it that is bad about the current state of B.Net 2.0
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Come on Cheese , it's not abotu whining , this is an tripple-A PC GAME , and they're just leaving an unexperienced guy to work on such a big project , this guy was hired in 2009 , how can you make a service usable in such a short period of time , starcraft 2 is just 3 parts glued together (hence memory leaks) SP , MP and BNET , bnet code is really weak , Dustin Browder however is a genius on the game , the game is FINE , the game is epic , everything else it's fine (some minor bugs still)
But the service is completel upside down , and this is not whining , this is serious and you can't give such a service out to the wordls most dedicated PC game and it's players.
If your are a console guy you don't whine of course , you're a sheep you buy everything ,(using "you" as general) we just want to send blizzard a messeage , it's still a hardcore PC game , and we expect hardcore service.
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On January 15 2011 18:15 Stewox. wrote:
Come on Cheese , it's not abotu whining , this is an tripple-A PC GAME , and they're just leaving an unexperienced guy to work on such a big project , this guy was hired in 2009 , how can you make a service usable in such a short period of time , starcraft 2 is just 3 parts glued together (hence memory leaks) SP , MP and BNET , bnet code is really weak , Dustin Browder however is a genius on the game , the game is FINE , the game is epic , everything else it's fine (some minor bugs still)
But the service is completel upside down , and this is not whining , this is serious and you can't give such a service out to the wordls most dedicated PC game and it's players.
If your are a console guy you don't whine of course , you're a sheep you buy everything ,(using "you" as general) we just want to send blizzard a messeage , it's still a hardcore PC game , and we expect hardcore service.
I think expecting hardcore servicing is a bit too much, you just didnt pay enough for something like that.
get it? see what I did there? ;D
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On January 15 2011 09:43 MavercK wrote:
because they hired the guy who designed xbox live to design battle.net 2.0
nothing can be done.
unless they fire him and scrap the entire interface.
I don't care if it takes a year to do, I want that done.
Also when it comes to the popularity system it's not really worse. It's just a little more inconvieniant to join some of the most popular maps.
The advantage is that there are far more maps that get played and discovered now. The "messed up" system is intentional, just it still need a hell of a lot more additional features still.
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I love the new interface. I don't have a problem chat channels is what i wanted. I wish it would be 200-300 cap instead of 100 cause half the channel is afk/in a game any way. other than that no complaints. Idk why people cry so much it's so obvious things are improving.
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The part that gets people upset about battle.net 0.2 is that WC3 battle.net is better in EVERY SINGLE GODDAMNED THING except matchmaking. I don't think anyone can argue about this. Where is the revolutionary online platform they advertised about? Oh yea we got the most basic form of online comunication wee-pee. Even the chat is better in WC3. In here we got these wierd windows with bugged user list (anyone noticed that avatars get stuck when scrooling down?)..
I understand why they can't have the WC3 custom map system, it would change every second because of how many people are playing. But oh my god this one is terrible. A search function would just exponentially increase the system... They have an amazing editor that makes amazing maps, but we can't play them as we could because we can only find the Nexus Wars lol
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Its not only all the missing things. What we have at the moment is still not working.
There are so many little bugs you stop count them.
Oh i cant open a game its buged again can you do it? oh its buged for you too?
Oh why are they shadows in chatchannel?
Oh if i click play against ki sc2 freeze again...
Oh just reconnected because i couldn't join the game.
Oh wait a sec sc2 crahed again.
Oh these maps has a messed up picture... since 3 month.
Oh Servers are down again.
Oh its lagging at the interface and ingame. oh its lagging for everyone?
And even without bugs the hole interface is not user friendl.
the map search is a bad joke. you can only search for name no rexespressions-
Map public system is just....
And than all the missing function thats in every rts game last 10 years but not in sc2.
Battelnet 0.2 ist just a epic fail! Without the game i would never buy something from a company that make such bad qualtity products again... I dont think complaining in battelnet forum brings something because so bad functions and so many bugs dont show a little issue it shows that they are no longer able to make a good interface...
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- "You have voice chat disabled" appears periodically without reason (without clicking ex. cedilla (default)
Yes. I, and apparently many others have had this problem for quite some time already. I recently made a thread about it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184557
We need someone to make a b net forum post about this specific issue, preferably at the NA forum.
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what happened to that little arrow u can press when ur chatting to sum1 and add them as friend or view profile or whatever =/
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Also I want everyone to note this:
The disconnects and Dropps are due to broken ALT-TAB in Starcraft 2 (i have win7x64) the Maximization of game application takes longer as game runs longer , Singleplayer is the most leaky (i have a big research on SC2 memory leak- but this if for another topic completely) and makes the ALT-TAB maximization very long , up to 2 or more minutes after 3 hours of gameplay (the game build up memory and momentum of leak , the more you need to wait to get back in)
I have notified on EU forums about this but i don't think if anybody catched this, there is no NET , it's ALT-TAB that makes you a false disconnect , and it takes forever to get into the game so other drop you because of course they think you're gone.
PS: Lol i went to sleep and you guys made 6 pages, thanks for support 
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On January 15 2011 10:48 RoyalCheese wrote:
Sigh. Whine more. We asked for chat channels and they implemented them. They showed they care and will to improve battle.net so why can't you just make a civilized post like a sane person without wanna be hilarious picture? Preferably on battle.net forums where blizzard stuff can read them.
There is a perfectly good reason to whine
They implemented chat channels in a ridiculously flawed manner...people who join and log off stay in the channel and the channel cap is 100...what the hell is that all about?
As it stands Bnet 1.0 is still superior in just about everyway to Bnet 0.2 PARTICULARLY with the way UMS maps are handled. They gave people a huge amount of power with the editor and then neutered the way you play on the maps.
Makes perfect sense.
People are annoyed because it was like taking 20 steps backwards with what was supposed to be an upgrade.
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On January 15 2011 10:15 wankey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 09:44 razboi wrote:
It might not be perfect but it shows us that they are trying. I kinda like BNet the way it is. Can it be improved more, yes, I think so. But so far, i'm a satisfied customer. Are you kidding me? It might not be perfect but it shows us that they are trying. Are you KIDDING ME? Yes, for a startup company, or maybe an amateur game design company or hell, maybe even Valve in their early days of Steam, but BLIZZARD. Oh the almighty BLIZZARD, the same people we gave 7 years to make a sequel game. Who rake in more money than EA and Activision COMBINED. What on earth were they thinking? Who designed this custom game fail? Fire Greg Cannessa please, fire him now. Do you realize how much you're all been gipped? I can make you a masters league in 5 minutes. Write a PHP code to filter all to 10% of players, design a new icon, and voila, a completely new feature called masters league is upon us! All hail masters league! None of the features they've come up with are ACTUALLY useful. Where is the categorization? Where is the search in custom games? Why didn't they look at Warcraft 3 and think to themselves, hmm maybe there might be a tug of war or a ship battle custom game. Why weren't they included in categories? Why aren't there categories!? Porn websites have better categorization than Starcraft 2 custom games. Why can't I click, tug of war, and look at a list of tug of war games? Or click Dota and look at a list of Dota games? Instead the only thing I can do is filter with 5 settings. That's great, the rest of the games on B.net are just custom. Why is there even a "faster" filter??? Can't they get into poeple's heads and TELL them that Starcraft IS this fast. There is no slow, normal, fast setting. THIS IS STARCRAFT. They on the bloody earth did they keep this arcane feature from 12 years ago? Why is the custom game browser one of the simplest, mundane and useless features ever to graze the earth? On the other hand, Why can't I see people's ping!??! Another stupid dumbass blunder. Blizzard is the Apple of gaming, except Blizzard actually make shitty games but the mass fanboys can't really see it through their thick glasses. They lather on EXTREMELY large budgets to make up for their losses in talent to produce an extremely well polished mediocre game. If not for the asians playing Multiplayer keeping Starcraft 2 alive, it would've been tossed away like no other.
I just agree on this so much. just take a look at battle.net and add the features people want! How hard can it be?
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The SC2 B.Net still is the most horrible interface ever to be seen in a Blizzard game yet.
The game's been out for half a year and what has changed? We got chat, later than promised, with oh so many flaws (scrolling, including offline players, limit to 100 ppl etc.). Sure, it's an improvement, but nothing to be actually happy with.
There's still the terrible custom game system. The profile that bugs out every second day and takes ages to load (and is useless anyway because no one looks at it). The confusing ladder/division/league system that noone except for people who follow scene sites like TL understands. And small stuff like the real name being displayed all over the whole interface - yeah thanks, I know who I am, no need to remind me.
B.Net still is a huge disappointment, and I don't think that'll change soon.
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On January 15 2011 19:13 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:48 RoyalCheese wrote:
Sigh. Whine more. We asked for chat channels and they implemented them. They showed they care and will to improve battle.net so why can't you just make a civilized post like a sane person without wanna be hilarious picture? Preferably on battle.net forums where blizzard stuff can read them. There is a perfectly good reason to whine They implemented chat channels in a ridiculously flawed manner...people who join and log off stay in the channel and the channel cap is 100...what the hell is that all about?
I think this is Blizzard getting back at the community....I mean, they were asking us "do you really want chat channels?"
We didn't realize that this was a shout-out like "please people, as we showed with bnet 2.0 already we are incapable of doing something like that without fail, so do you REALLY want us to incorporate chat channels?"
Although this has nothing to do with the recent patch, I think each and every RTS of the last 5 years had a WAY better interface. I played a real lot RTS just for fun, even stuff like battle for middle earth, rise of nations, rise of legends (which was REALLY cool btw)....all of them failed because of lacking community, but navigation was so much better...
Maybe it's just another way of saying "just click on the damn 'find game' button for ladder and leave us alone"
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If they just fix the custom game design, I'm ok with how it's currently.
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There's a historical and cultural aspect to this debate that everyone seems to overlook. It may sound as over-thinking but the state of Bnet now has a lot to do with pop culture and corporate understanding of it.
Back in the day when only a fraction of people were using computers, almost everyone knew how to program one, there were almost no general purpose software so you had to write your own mostly. Then came the corporate software makers. They made general purpose software that had functionality because computer users knew what they were doing. You couldn't trick them easily. Closed source software and increase in computer usage caused the gap between software maker and user to widen. Nowadays the fraction of users who can program their computers to the total number of users is a nightmare. No one knows even how to write a simple shell script, hell no one knows what a shell is anymore.
It's only natural that PC gamers who have seen the brighter days of software development are hugely disappointed now. They effing know how to use their computers and are feeling tricked when their abilities are taken away from them.
Corporate software industry killed programming altogether. Bnet is a victim of that.
For those that think implementing chat channels are hard work;
You don't have to invent chat all over again to do this. There are already many working chat protocols. Choose one, design the interface, that's it. They could have even used standard irc if they wanted. No one would complain. Same goes for search. You don't have to write your own search engine. Take one and put a text box in your interface.
The state of Bnet has nothing to do with budgets or competent programming or anything. This is a result of corporate decision making and many of them were wrong. Simply, you can't publish a game with a cellphone-app-functional interface if you don't want to piss people off. The only two ways you can do this is either you don't care, or you are misinformed.
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On January 15 2011 12:29 MOARpylons wrote:
Man this thread is full of complaints.
If its that bad why are you people even playing it? Youre playing Blizzards game, they gave chat channels, nerfed terran into the ground, buffed everything else, gave you a damn smart map editor if thats your thing. They keep bending to the peoples will. Sorry that everything isnt up to par for some of you with extremely high expectations. However the game works, its playable and a fuck ton better than anything EA can throw out there.
If this game is that bad then go play another RTS
ofcourse it is , we aren't console gamers who eat everything
This is a hardcore game and the service doesn't par up to the quality standard. As you can see , everybody had much higher expectations, this is whole code is a joke , they need to get rid of this crappy flash-style broken code and get some real programmers working on it.
Ofcourse , Blizzard is a high profile developer , this is just unacceptable , and thus i praise what is really good , but we're not fanboys to rank it over the top. SC2 is really good , but come on , they just lose some credibility because of stupid and easy mistakes like this.
How damn hard is to make a fully featured interface , any sc1 and wc3 gamer can go out there and do a better job of finding the features and stuff , this is just beyond what Bnet team is currently at blizzard , they have zero idea on PC native features, PC style , overall PC features(other game's standards) and the features in bnet 1.0. Are they really considering a work in progress , they could name it 0.2 for the sake of honesty.
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On January 15 2011 11:25 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 11:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I honestly don't see what's so bad about bnet 2.0. It allows you to do what you need to do. You can play ladder games, have a friends list, talk to the people on your friends list, play custom games, and participate in chat channels.
I guess the bottom line is that people will ALWAYS find something to complain about. Are you kidding? Custom games are hell. It's utterly atrocious trying to set up custom games. Age of Empires II had the best table system. I would honestly in a second take SCBW bnet over this piece of shit Bnet 2.0. I have never been more frustrated in custom games. You want to play a 1v1 on LT vs a Protoss user that's around your skill level? GOOD LUCK. Probably a silver player will join as Terran, and guess what? The game autostarts. You can't EVEN LEAVE THE LOBBY. You have to hit escape and logout. Not to mention the fact your opponent might do this to you last second so you end up loading the game with no opponent. Do you know I've spent over 15 minutes trying to find a single custom game to play because me and another bronze player kept joining the same game over and over, and on the offchances I got someone else, they weren't even plat? What happened to being able to make games "Master League 2500+ Toss come." Shit like that. What happened to being able to BOOT players that come to the games because YOU were the host? Guess what, there's no boot option anymore unless you make a private game. It's an utterly piece of shit system, literally one of the worst custom systems I've ever encountered, EVER. And that's not to mention how horrendous the popularity system is.
Quoted for truth. Why does Blizzard have to do "special and shiny and new" stuff when they could just upgrade BW BNET a bit and have lik 99% complaints less... I have played lik 5 custom games, they were all shit and it is way to annoying to get a game started you like.
JUST DO IT LIKE IN BROODWAR. GODdammit. Can't even choose a gamename like "2300Diamond LT gogogo!"
If I want to host a game noone will find it because it's like 30 pages down...
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On January 15 2011 14:14 Treemonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 14:10 CounterOrder wrote:
Sc2 could be such a better game if Bnet 2.0 was decent. WC3 had awsome clan support. Now we cant even get a new account. No chat channels for 7 months.... etc etc. Terrible custom game system. Ofcourse people are complaining.
Honestly the people saying to stop complaining or w/e need to have some self respect. How could you be happy with they way thing are and tell other people who want to see it improved to just shut up? People here just want to see a stronger community.
Actually being able to talk to people and create groups(clans) for like minded people to play games together would help this game alot. I dont get how they could retard the growth of the community so much when they say its so important to them to see esports and SCII succeed. Influence from consoles has no place on a pure pc game.
The design is so bad. What were they even trying to achieve? Isolating players and minimizing cooperation at every level. Blah, i wish peopel complained about it alot more. Have standards damnit. Thanks to 1.2 you can make a clan channel and communicate all you want.
There is no clan support in 1.2. All you can do is make chat channels with no moderation. I mean I get they are listening to the community but really how badly implemented are these chat channels. I understand all the devs weren't working during December but Blizzard has always waited to get things done right before pushing out a product. It just seems so un-Blizzard like.
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On January 15 2011 21:33 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 14:14 Treemonkeys wrote:On January 15 2011 14:10 CounterOrder wrote:
Sc2 could be such a better game if Bnet 2.0 was decent. WC3 had awsome clan support. Now we cant even get a new account. No chat channels for 7 months.... etc etc. Terrible custom game system. Ofcourse people are complaining.
Honestly the people saying to stop complaining or w/e need to have some self respect. How could you be happy with they way thing are and tell other people who want to see it improved to just shut up? People here just want to see a stronger community.
Actually being able to talk to people and create groups(clans) for like minded people to play games together would help this game alot. I dont get how they could retard the growth of the community so much when they say its so important to them to see esports and SCII succeed. Influence from consoles has no place on a pure pc game.
The design is so bad. What were they even trying to achieve? Isolating players and minimizing cooperation at every level. Blah, i wish peopel complained about it alot more. Have standards damnit. Thanks to 1.2 you can make a clan channel and communicate all you want. There is no clan support in 1.2. All you can do is make chat channels with no moderation. I mean I get they are listening to the community but really how badly implemented are these chat channels. I understand all the devs weren't working during December but Blizzard has always waited to get things done right before pushing out a product. It just seems so un-Blizzard like.
As a clan you can still make a channel unknown to all non members,
For example you could name your channel
"TeamBACK PrivateChannel" and no one would randomly guess it. Unless a member leaks the name. Even tough chat channels could use some moderation and some chat channels should be able to be password protected. but only password protection should be able to be done by emailing blizzard with some sort of format.
We don't want a channel "Teamliquid" with a random password no one could ever guess because some idiot decided it would be fun to do.
I think chat channels still were a huge improvement to starcraft. But it has its flaws.
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