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On January 05 2011 17:49 corpsepose wrote:that would be impressive but it looks like he's sitting at 2.6k points after that huge win streak, which is basically considered mid-diamond or so. if he was mostly playing players in that echelon of skill then im honestly not surprised he racked up that many consecutive wins
2.6k has nothing to do with it. He has been inactive on that account and if he was top Diamond when he quit (very likely) then his MMR is still among the best on EU.
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I think it's a nice experiment from Naniwa. It shows that the ladder in his current state doesn't exactly show how good you really are. I really hope this will get better with the master and grand master league. Blizzard please take notes from this! I want to know exactly how good / bad I am. Atm if you are a 3k diamond, you don't know if you really are at 3k level.
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On January 05 2011 18:13 Reborn8u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 17:59 YourMom wrote:On January 05 2011 10:17 GaussRoffle wrote:On January 05 2011 05:13 drewbie.root wrote:
its not bonus pool abuse, its more like MMR / ELO or w\e it is abuse. For nani's first 100 games he probably won 48 pts every game and lost 1 point. Then once he hit 3k points or w/e and things balanced out he had lost 0 of his bonus pool to losses (If you have 2000 bonus pool and you never lose until it runs out you will have 4000 pts, but when you lose games it becomes impossible to hit 4000). Also being in a new division probably helped him to not be favored for a long time too T_T Q: How do these tiers impact matchmaking and points received per game?
A: They don't. Matchmaking is determined by your MMR versus your opponent's MMR, and the point values per game is determined by your opponent's MMR versus your adjusted (division modifiers excluded) rating.from Z_Excalibur's division tiers thread. As much as I want to believe that his being in a "weak" division contributed toward his point total, it just seems like he somehow kept a relatively low MMR to his opponents long enough to get those +48 games in a decent number. Bleh, I hope it doesn't become a trend for a pro to get a new account before a reset or when bonus is pool is turned off (something blizzard plans to do in future ladders) and try to rush up to some absurd amount of points on a relatively low amount of games. Just feels like a complete mockery of the ladder for the people with games in the thousands sitting around 2900 and 3000 He kept a low MMR because that account is shared by his friend who does a lot of team games. MMR is one and the same for 1v1 as for team games (which kinda sux). So your saying this + Show Spoiler +is the reason for this + Show Spoiler +Damn, Im diamond in 1v1,2v2,3v3,4v4, No wonder I keep getting 2200 to 2600 pt diamonds in 1v1 when I'm only a 1000 pt diamond (makes it kinda tough for me to advance!) Well, I'm off to de-rank all my team games to bronze!
if this is true, the ladder is just as bad as wc3 2on2/3on3/4on4 ladder...
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Ok, so he is in same division like me. Agree about that that 4k points are really like 3700 points but even like this he is the best in EU/Global. He has the best win ration in top 100 global. About matchmaking with this ration he played the top 200 players in EU after 30-40 matches. I checked his match history and he played more than half of hes last 30 games with names like TLO, Morrow, Mana, Brat_OK, Sjow and he won 26 from 28 or smth like that. Again he has the biggest MMR atm in EU so he is almost favored in all of his last matches, that is why he is getting less than 10 points on hes last games, even 3 or 4 points for win. Hes bonus pool is empty since the last 20 matches. All we have to see know is if he will play again on Nani account and he will rise and be first on that account also than anyone will agree that he is the best (with Nani I guess he is in a higher rated league -older one). I don`t know why Tyler and QCX, don`t get me wrong - you got all my respect cause you are great players are so pissed off about hes achievement. Even without that 365 points he is the first. Morrow had the best state about him : He is taking prob any game seriously, but he beats morrow in macro game because he played better. I agree with that a lot of top players are laddering for testing BO and doesn't take the game 100% seriously.
Anyhow congrats to Naniwa. He deserves to be there and I`m looking forward to see him wining tournaments and post replays, maybe also streaming so you will see that he is not that bad mannered.
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On January 05 2011 17:59 YourMom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 10:17 GaussRoffle wrote:On January 05 2011 05:13 drewbie.root wrote:
its not bonus pool abuse, its more like MMR / ELO or w\e it is abuse. For nani's first 100 games he probably won 48 pts every game and lost 1 point. Then once he hit 3k points or w/e and things balanced out he had lost 0 of his bonus pool to losses (If you have 2000 bonus pool and you never lose until it runs out you will have 4000 pts, but when you lose games it becomes impossible to hit 4000). Also being in a new division probably helped him to not be favored for a long time too T_T Q: How do these tiers impact matchmaking and points received per game?
A: They don't. Matchmaking is determined by your MMR versus your opponent's MMR, and the point values per game is determined by your opponent's MMR versus your adjusted (division modifiers excluded) rating.from Z_Excalibur's division tiers thread. As much as I want to believe that his being in a "weak" division contributed toward his point total, it just seems like he somehow kept a relatively low MMR to his opponents long enough to get those +48 games in a decent number. Bleh, I hope it doesn't become a trend for a pro to get a new account before a reset or when bonus is pool is turned off (something blizzard plans to do in future ladders) and try to rush up to some absurd amount of points on a relatively low amount of games. Just feels like a complete mockery of the ladder for the people with games in the thousands sitting around 2900 and 3000 He kept a low MMR because that account is shared by his friend who does a lot of team games. MMR is one and the same for 1v1 as for team games (which kinda sux).
that cant be true
me and a mate play vs gold/plat in 2v2, and when i played some 1v1's i had bronze opps (and so did he)
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On January 05 2011 19:47 alepov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 17:59 YourMom wrote:On January 05 2011 10:17 GaussRoffle wrote:On January 05 2011 05:13 drewbie.root wrote:
its not bonus pool abuse, its more like MMR / ELO or w\e it is abuse. For nani's first 100 games he probably won 48 pts every game and lost 1 point. Then once he hit 3k points or w/e and things balanced out he had lost 0 of his bonus pool to losses (If you have 2000 bonus pool and you never lose until it runs out you will have 4000 pts, but when you lose games it becomes impossible to hit 4000). Also being in a new division probably helped him to not be favored for a long time too T_T Q: How do these tiers impact matchmaking and points received per game?
A: They don't. Matchmaking is determined by your MMR versus your opponent's MMR, and the point values per game is determined by your opponent's MMR versus your adjusted (division modifiers excluded) rating.from Z_Excalibur's division tiers thread. As much as I want to believe that his being in a "weak" division contributed toward his point total, it just seems like he somehow kept a relatively low MMR to his opponents long enough to get those +48 games in a decent number. Bleh, I hope it doesn't become a trend for a pro to get a new account before a reset or when bonus is pool is turned off (something blizzard plans to do in future ladders) and try to rush up to some absurd amount of points on a relatively low amount of games. Just feels like a complete mockery of the ladder for the people with games in the thousands sitting around 2900 and 3000 He kept a low MMR because that account is shared by his friend who does a lot of team games. MMR is one and the same for 1v1 as for team games (which kinda sux). that cant be true me and a mate play vs gold/plat in 2v2, and when i played some 1v1's i had bronze opps (and so did he)
It's true.
It's why you can get Diamond in 1v1 by playing 200 games, but play team games for a few hours and you will be diamond after 15 games.
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His MMR is/were not low at all even if your been away for very long and your MMR drop a bit as soon as you win like 10 games in a row you will be playing the top players that fast.
I dont get why anyone can even say his first because something is wrong with the ladder system.. when he beats the other ppl in top 10 many times shouldnt he be ahead of them?.....
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On January 05 2011 06:40 MorroW wrote:
afaik maphacks barely exists in sc2
o.O
Figure blizz' didn't ban 50K players for being bad mannered assholes lol
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On January 05 2011 10:49 LittLeD wrote:
He's a badmannered little twat. Worse than IdrA even
There goes the pathetic "web 2.0" mentality that everything has to be sanitized so it doesn't even have the CHANCE of offending the most stuck-up kids and their soccer moms.
Wish you were around in DOTA or even pre-retail CS for that matter, you would have a damn clue what real "bad manner" is.
BM is what makes games entertaining. When Idra says to (i forgot who, recently casted by HD tho) another guy that he's a terran scum and should just stfu, most... well... long time players crack it and start laughing.
All the kids rage and call bm and unacceptable and OMG so offensive WEDEMANDSANCTIONS because someone acted like a player should. If you rage and scream and "bm" after getting owned (or not, lol) by some stupid noobish all-in (or something else), it kinds of "make" you a good player because you care enough to get upset about it.
I challenge you to go to youtube, find games where people rage (be it Idra or nani or anyone) and look at the comments. Guaranteed you won't find anyone crying bm who's above 20.
People who get enraged about "bm" should just go back to their pokemon games.
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On January 05 2011 05:49 holynorth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 03:04 Krafty wrote:On January 05 2011 02:53 Numy wrote:On January 05 2011 02:47 AkobeS wrote:On January 05 2011 02:40 Krafty wrote:http://sc2ranks.com/div/52745/division-marine-psigarbage divison. Edit: I'm assuming he kept doing placement matches in order to get in the worst possible division before starting to ladder. Quite pathetic actually. What the fuck? Why would even write that? It makes no sense at all. Assuming something, then jump over to how pathetic that assumption is? Now thats really pathetic. I agree his conclusion is rather bias but his actual findings aren't. There isn't a player yet at 4k points. Since points across divisions aren't the same the "masters" is the true reflection of how many points he has. He's good, he's number 1 but he's not at 4k points. Yeah, sorry perhaps I was a little bit harsh. But it really bothers me that someone can get away with this and make it seem as if he earned 4000 points already. Did you even read the thread that you keep posting? You realize he is still in first in points after the division modifier, correct? It's not like the people he is playing are worse because of his division. He is still playing the best players possible. And to people complaining about bonus pool. He's still in first even if you subtract the pool from everyone. Stop being so stupid.
On January 05 2011 19:06 SmoKim wrote: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1549168#blogBlizzard has released the First top 200 in 2011 for European server the top 10 are: 1 mTwDIMAGA 485 229 2 DuckloadRa 1160 - 655 3 MeatyOwlLegs 163 - 45 4 aTnSocke 512 - 257 5 roxkisBratOK 696 - 377 6 mTwRINE 507 - 343 7 EmpireKas 1927 - 1106 8 NightEnd 1018 - 738 9 VirusSatiini 1169 - 810 10 LiquidTLO 380 - 258 DIMAGA is the only Zerg in top 10 There are 2 Random players in top 15. TLO and aAaNerchio MeatyOwlLeg(formerly known as Puckelrygg) have over 4000 points in the ladder pretty sadisfying top 10 i must say  Dimaga takes 1 place, TLO is back in the top, White-Ra holds his top ranking, and all players are known players(MeatyOwlLegs is supposed to be NaNiwa)
He's not first in points.
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On January 05 2011 23:18 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 05:49 holynorth wrote:On January 05 2011 03:04 Krafty wrote:On January 05 2011 02:53 Numy wrote:On January 05 2011 02:47 AkobeS wrote:On January 05 2011 02:40 Krafty wrote:http://sc2ranks.com/div/52745/division-marine-psigarbage divison. Edit: I'm assuming he kept doing placement matches in order to get in the worst possible division before starting to ladder. Quite pathetic actually. What the fuck? Why would even write that? It makes no sense at all. Assuming something, then jump over to how pathetic that assumption is? Now thats really pathetic. I agree his conclusion is rather bias but his actual findings aren't. There isn't a player yet at 4k points. Since points across divisions aren't the same the "masters" is the true reflection of how many points he has. He's good, he's number 1 but he's not at 4k points. Yeah, sorry perhaps I was a little bit harsh. But it really bothers me that someone can get away with this and make it seem as if he earned 4000 points already. Did you even read the thread that you keep posting? You realize he is still in first in points after the division modifier, correct? It's not like the people he is playing are worse because of his division. He is still playing the best players possible. And to people complaining about bonus pool. He's still in first even if you subtract the pool from everyone. Stop being so stupid. Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 19:06 SmoKim wrote: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1549168#blogBlizzard has released the First top 200 in 2011 for European server the top 10 are: 1 mTwDIMAGA 485 229 2 DuckloadRa 1160 - 655 3 MeatyOwlLegs 163 - 45 4 aTnSocke 512 - 257 5 roxkisBratOK 696 - 377 6 mTwRINE 507 - 343 7 EmpireKas 1927 - 1106 8 NightEnd 1018 - 738 9 VirusSatiini 1169 - 810 10 LiquidTLO 380 - 258 DIMAGA is the only Zerg in top 10 There are 2 Random players in top 15. TLO and aAaNerchio MeatyOwlLeg(formerly known as Puckelrygg) have over 4000 points in the ladder pretty sadisfying top 10 i must say Dimaga takes 1 place, TLO is back in the top, White-Ra holds his top ranking, and all players are known players(MeatyOwlLegs is supposed to be NaNiwa) He's not first in points.
Thats old news, that list is a couple of days old, as you can see on the players stats.
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On January 05 2011 23:15 Shinkugami wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 10:49 LittLeD wrote:
He's a badmannered little twat. Worse than IdrA even There goes the pathetic "web 2.0" mentality that everything has to be sanitized so it doesn't even have the CHANCE of offending the most stuck-up kids and their soccer moms. Wish you were around in DOTA or even pre-retail CS for that matter, you would have a damn clue what real "bad manner" is.
ohhh lawdy, DotA chat was amazing. the better you got, the more intense the BM. once you started playing in leagues like TDA or higher, mistakes were met by vitriolic rage and venomous hate from your teammates.
good times, good times.
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On January 05 2011 23:15 Shinkugami wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 10:49 LittLeD wrote:
He's a badmannered little twat. Worse than IdrA even There goes the pathetic "web 2.0" mentality that everything has to be sanitized so it doesn't even have the CHANCE of offending the most stuck-up kids and their soccer moms. Wish you were around in DOTA or even pre-retail CS for that matter, you would have a damn clue what real "bad manner" is. BM is what makes games entertaining. When Idra says to (i forgot who, recently casted by HD tho) another guy that he's a terran scum and should just stfu, most... well... long time players crack it and start laughing. All the kids rage and call bm and unacceptable and OMG so offensive WEDEMANDSANCTIONS because someone acted like a player should. If you rage and scream and "bm" after getting owned (or not, lol) by some stupid noobish all-in (or something else), it kinds of "make" you a good player because you care enough to get upset about it. I challenge you to go to youtube, find games where people rage (be it Idra or nani or anyone) and look at the comments. Guaranteed you won't find anyone crying bm who's above 20. People who get enraged about "bm" should just go back to their pokemon games.
I think you got it the wrong way around! Look at any community where it is socially acceptable to call the player you just beat a "fucking loser faggot" or similar and i guarantee that the average age in the community wont be above 16.
All the kids rage and BM because they are immature and do not actually understand sportsmanship and no one on the internat can actually "raise" them and explain proper manners. If you get upset after losing a game in a bad way that is good! It shows you care and that is the right spirit to have. But that is really not at allt he same as being BM, if you are mature enough you have some kind of self-control.
People who BM should just go back to "whatever is the currrent rage among 14-year olds" (prolly SC2 now that i think about it *sigh*).
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Anyone got replays of this guy? I really want to see how he pulls it off.
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On January 05 2011 23:08 Shinkugami wrote:o.O Figure blizz' didn't ban 50K players for being bad mannered assholes lol
Took me all of 30 seconds to find a working maphack for 1.13 that toggles player selections, camera movement etc. it would be very very easy for any player to toggle it on to check your build and toggle it off.
When he went forge first at his nexus vs TLO my initial reaction was kinda like "uhh this guy is good?" but maybe early pools are super popular on Basin I have no idea, haven't played this game in a long ass time. I couldn't imagine wanting to cannon the nat on basin since they'd just counter you.
Not saying he cheats, I just found the game peculiar
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On January 05 2011 01:20 donut boi wrote:
MeatyOwlLegs... it's not often I come across a name that instantly strikes me as being totally baller
but yea hes abusing the bonus pool shit... i was watching drewbie's stream where he was playing on his smurf... basically he always played favored ppl and gained 40-50 points per win and lost 0-1 points when he lost. It is quite silly that accounts like these receive no penalty for losing
you know whats funny, the fact that i have 800 bonus pool points and have an extremely hard time getting further ahead. im currently rated as a 1700 point player. the problem is that i play no one with points less than 2200 and i only gain +9 for beating 2500s. the bonus pool isnt what is wrecking the system, its the hidden skill.
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I think people should stop to think that a player cannot improve in one or two month. Maybe he wasn't really a top10 player (although he performed really well in the EPS). In a Dreamhack Interview he said that he didn't know if he'll continue to play SC2, so I assume he didn't play really much before Dreamhack. He also moved back from Germany to Sweden at that time.
As far as I remember he also wanted to be more professional in the future, at least he said that he isn't proud of his unprofessional behavior. Maybe he changed a little bit in behavior and skill, let's wait and see.
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On January 05 2011 05:33 Shinkugami wrote:
You realize 26-2 isn't realistic in the slightest even if you were to have ungodly luck ?
26-2 doesn't ring the "good" bell, it rings the "lame cheeser" bell. If he gets away with a lame, cheap cheese, he deserves the win.
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On January 06 2011 00:35 vdale wrote:
I think people should stop to think that a player cannot improve in one or two month. Maybe he wasn't really a top10 player (although he performed really well in the EPS). In a Dreamhack Interview he said that he didn't know if he'll continue to play SC2, so I assume he didn't play really much before Dreamhack. He also moved back from Germany to Sweden at that time.
As far as I remember he also wanted to be more professional in the future, at least he said that he isn't proud of his unprofessional behavior. Maybe he changed a little bit in behavior and skill, let's wait and see.
I can tell you that naniwa is actually really mannered nowadays and has changed. Feel free to prove me wrong.
By the way, I have seen some really good macro games by MeatyOwlLegs, for example a long 17 nexus build vs morrow on Metalopolis. Oh and grats naniwa!
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On January 05 2011 20:01 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 19:47 alepov wrote:On January 05 2011 17:59 YourMom wrote:On January 05 2011 10:17 GaussRoffle wrote:On January 05 2011 05:13 drewbie.root wrote:
its not bonus pool abuse, its more like MMR / ELO or w\e it is abuse. For nani's first 100 games he probably won 48 pts every game and lost 1 point. Then once he hit 3k points or w/e and things balanced out he had lost 0 of his bonus pool to losses (If you have 2000 bonus pool and you never lose until it runs out you will have 4000 pts, but when you lose games it becomes impossible to hit 4000). Also being in a new division probably helped him to not be favored for a long time too T_T Q: How do these tiers impact matchmaking and points received per game?
A: They don't. Matchmaking is determined by your MMR versus your opponent's MMR, and the point values per game is determined by your opponent's MMR versus your adjusted (division modifiers excluded) rating.from Z_Excalibur's division tiers thread. As much as I want to believe that his being in a "weak" division contributed toward his point total, it just seems like he somehow kept a relatively low MMR to his opponents long enough to get those +48 games in a decent number. Bleh, I hope it doesn't become a trend for a pro to get a new account before a reset or when bonus is pool is turned off (something blizzard plans to do in future ladders) and try to rush up to some absurd amount of points on a relatively low amount of games. Just feels like a complete mockery of the ladder for the people with games in the thousands sitting around 2900 and 3000 He kept a low MMR because that account is shared by his friend who does a lot of team games. MMR is one and the same for 1v1 as for team games (which kinda sux). that cant be true me and a mate play vs gold/plat in 2v2, and when i played some 1v1's i had bronze opps (and so did he) It's true. It's why you can get Diamond in 1v1 by playing 200 games, but play team games for a few hours and you will be diamond after 15 games.
you can get Diamond in 1v1 by playing 15 games
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