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Vim
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 07:20:33
January 05 2011 07:19 GMT
#221
Fidelity of the warrior so is unshakable in fight, that he is indifferent to his own life...
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
January 05 2011 07:22 GMT
#222
no need to disparage his achievement. He is the first 4000 guy in the world!
You know what I'm talking about
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
January 05 2011 07:25 GMT
#223
as amazing as it seems to be the first to 4k pts, if you look @ the top ladder hes the only one with even under 600 games. I find it weird how the system works in favour so much of new user id's when players like oGsMC and iMMvP are way behind in pts but most likely are much better.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Rialz
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil177 Posts
January 05 2011 07:43 GMT
#224
If blizzard doesn't reset the ladder soon, then OVER NINE THOUSAND points will be mid diamond in a near future.
frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
January 05 2011 07:44 GMT
#225
ITT: People are jealous that someone they don't like (even though it's only rumored to be Nani) is first in the world in ladder points.
www.twitter.com/marconofrio | marconofrio.tumblr.com
MuffinFTW
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States235 Posts
January 05 2011 07:48 GMT
#226
Grats to Naniwa, now does anyone have replays of his ladder matches (winning hopefully)?
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
January 05 2011 07:58 GMT
#227
Just a footnote for the people saying BM doesn't harm your career as a Pro gamer.. as a lot of your funding will come from sponsors.. why are they going to sponsor someone nobody likes? Doesn't make financial sense.
戦いの中に答えはある
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
January 05 2011 08:01 GMT
#228
Congrets Naniwa. 4k aint easy feet. How funny these ppl that BM here. Seems like there isn't any difference between them and the one they are complaining about BM. LOL
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
January 05 2011 08:06 GMT
#229
On January 05 2011 16:44 frequency wrote:
ITT: People are jealous that someone they don't like (even though it's only rumored to be Nani) is first in the world in ladder points.


Jealousy? Seriously, no. I just have a problem with major douchebags setting records and being figureheads for the game. Also, it's not a rumor; check this thread for multiple sources of proof.

There's nothing to like about this guy, there's no reason to cheer for him. He's approached gaming in the worst way possible, has done pretty much everything wrong he could and still got away with it, still is being supported in his behaviour and manner. That's ridiculous, it's sad, and it's a shame for the community.

Most people here on TL agree that Esports is something good, an occupation/hobby that could use more popularity and general acceptance. People like Naniwa jeopardize this development, because he's the showcase example of the stereotypical gamer that throws his life, his education and his social contacts away just so he can play more.

Cheer for him all you like, mock people criticizing him if you need to, but in the end, you're supporting the wrong person and you know it.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 08:48:17
January 05 2011 08:08 GMT
#230
I did a little research, maybe someone who is more knowledgeable can draw some conclusions. I am unable to, the ladder system is very confusing to me. I've always struggled with math, but still these numbers/graphs look weird to me. Perhaps someone well versed in mathematics who has a better grasp of the ladder can use this data to shed some light on this subject.

I went to sc2ranks and pulled up the top global players according to [point * ratio] on sc2 ranks. The 4th player on the list was ret, who can probably serve as a sort of control. His abilities are unquestionable.
However some of the numbers look weird to me (how can people fly past a player like ret in points?). Please, don't call me stupid, I am just trying to pull some relevant data into the discussion. There seems to be a lot of random assumptions going on here.

First of all, if you look at Meatyowllegs 3v3 games, Nani is a teammate one of them.
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So we can at least say for sure, nani knows who's account this is

That out of the way, lets see the graph of our control, Ret. He came up as #4 globally on sc2ranks when sorted by [points*ratio]
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(Red line indicates world rank, blue line is pts)
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Ret enters Diamond approximately oct 23rd with about 1400 pts, 74 days later he is about 3300pts
Note: he has not played on this account in the last week

Next this is the graph of Meatowllegs games the #1 player globally (he is on EU server)
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Meaty enters diamond near 1000 pts on Nov 1, 64 days ago, now having 4000pts

This is the graph of the player who came up as #2 using the [point * ratio] sort on sc2 ranks, he is on the US server named "Goody"
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Goody enters diamond near 1200 pts on Dec 25th, 11 days ago, now having 3500 pts!
This seems weird to me

This is the graph of the #3 player "Kichi" who is on the EU server
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Kichi enters diamond near 1500 pts Nov 7, 59 days ago, now having 3200 pts
However, Look at the drastic point gains


Well that's my contribution to the enigma of the point system, does anyone else see something wrong with these pictures?? (especially kichi's)


:)
borny
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China481 Posts
January 05 2011 08:17 GMT
#231
Rakaka.se has talked to Naniwa and he claims that it is his account.
Naniwa . July . Morrow . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Go STARTALE!
LenfaL
Profile Joined January 2011
5 Posts
January 05 2011 08:39 GMT
#232
Seems like nAniwa found the protoss' key to success.
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/203342/nAni

He returned to his old account to do some 1v1 and got a pretty good winstreak.
ZombiesOMG
Profile Joined October 2010
United States282 Posts
January 05 2011 08:41 GMT
#233

However, Look at the drastic point gains
Did he really gain 786 points in 1 game? Or am I reading this wrong?


Well that's my contribution to the enigma of the point system, does anyone else see something wrong with these pictures?? (especially kichi's)

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Idk why SC2 Ranks does that sort of thing but my profile has large point gains in that section as well. I don't ladder a ton, but I do see point gains 'between games' of +74, +52, etc. There was a +100something last week. But those point games seem to mirror how many points I gained in one day of laddering over 3-5 wins or w/e. I can tell you with confidence I've NEVER gained 74 points for one win, even though that section of sc2ranks looks that way.

Gotta be something funky with how they run the site. Must run all point gains within a very short time period together for brevity's sake since that section is so small.
Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
January 05 2011 08:47 GMT
#234
sc2ranks update once every couple hours, correct?
So shouldn't it be possible to spend 350 of bonus pool in that time? (20-40 games won)
corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
January 05 2011 08:49 GMT
#235
On January 05 2011 17:39 LenfaL wrote:
Seems like nAniwa found the protoss' key to success.
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/203342/nAni

He returned to his old account to do some 1v1 and got a pretty good winstreak.


that would be impressive but it looks like he's sitting at 2.6k points after that huge win streak, which is basically considered mid-diamond or so. if he was mostly playing players in that echelon of skill then im honestly not surprised he racked up that many consecutive wins
http://www.twitch.tv/corpsep0se
Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
January 05 2011 08:58 GMT
#236
Hmm... Haven't seen him play many times before but when he did I thought he seemed to be on a bit of a lower level than most top EU players. So like others, I've been trying to rationalize how he'd be able to get to 4,000 points.

My biggest criticism of the situation is the low amount of games played. Just as a Bo7 is more indicative of skill than a Bo1, I'd imagine the mere 223 games played may be giving a less than accurate measure of ability. Especially when you consider that a portion of these games would have been played against lower level players as well. I suppose it is the bonus pool which allows for such sudden high ratings so I guess I will join in on that side of the argument.

If something somewhat close to this win ratio/points (adding in inflation of course) were able to be maintained over a few hundred more games, I'd be much more willing to concede this to be a deserving achievement. But as it stands, I feel his ability on this account has not been extensively tested enough to rule out the effects of randomness/luck.

On another note, I really hate that we have to call these points rather than rating. Perhaps such a situation like this could dissuade blizzard from using this bonus pool system and use a more standard rating system.

If this truly is deserving, though, congratulations to him. But if he is as bad of a person as people are claiming, I really hope he tries to change his ways.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 09:01:09
January 05 2011 08:59 GMT
#237
On January 05 2011 17:39 LenfaL wrote:
Seems like nAniwa found the protoss' key to success.
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/203342/nAni

He returned to his old account to do some 1v1 and got a pretty good winstreak.


WOW, you're right. Damn, whats his secret! How much for a lesson! Nice catch for a first post btw!


[image loading]

Nani is in straight beast mode at the moment!
I would love to see some replays!
:)
YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
January 05 2011 08:59 GMT
#238
On January 05 2011 10:17 GaussRoffle wrote:
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On January 05 2011 05:13 drewbie.root wrote:
its not bonus pool abuse, its more like MMR / ELO or w\e it is abuse. For nani's first 100 games he probably won 48 pts every game and lost 1 point. Then once he hit 3k points or w/e and things balanced out he had lost 0 of his bonus pool to losses (If you have 2000 bonus pool and you never lose until it runs out you will have 4000 pts, but when you lose games it becomes impossible to hit 4000). Also being in a new division probably helped him to not be favored for a long time too T_T


Q: How do these tiers impact matchmaking and points received per game?
A: They don't. Matchmaking is determined by your MMR versus your opponent's MMR, and the point values per game is determined by your opponent's MMR versus your adjusted (division modifiers excluded) rating.


from Z_Excalibur's division tiers thread.

As much as I want to believe that his being in a "weak" division contributed toward his point total, it just seems like he somehow kept a relatively low MMR to his opponents long enough to get those +48 games in a decent number.

Bleh, I hope it doesn't become a trend for a pro to get a new account before a reset or when bonus is pool is turned off (something blizzard plans to do in future ladders) and try to rush up to some absurd amount of points on a relatively low amount of games. Just feels like a complete mockery of the ladder for the people with games in the thousands sitting around 2900 and 3000


He kept a low MMR because that account is shared by his friend who does a lot of team games. MMR is one and the same for 1v1 as for team games (which kinda sux).
I'm very good at making carriers.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 09:19:30
January 05 2011 09:13 GMT
#239
On January 05 2011 17:59 YourMom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 10:17 GaussRoffle wrote:
On January 05 2011 05:13 drewbie.root wrote:
its not bonus pool abuse, its more like MMR / ELO or w\e it is abuse. For nani's first 100 games he probably won 48 pts every game and lost 1 point. Then once he hit 3k points or w/e and things balanced out he had lost 0 of his bonus pool to losses (If you have 2000 bonus pool and you never lose until it runs out you will have 4000 pts, but when you lose games it becomes impossible to hit 4000). Also being in a new division probably helped him to not be favored for a long time too T_T


Q: How do these tiers impact matchmaking and points received per game?
A: They don't. Matchmaking is determined by your MMR versus your opponent's MMR, and the point values per game is determined by your opponent's MMR versus your adjusted (division modifiers excluded) rating.


from Z_Excalibur's division tiers thread.

As much as I want to believe that his being in a "weak" division contributed toward his point total, it just seems like he somehow kept a relatively low MMR to his opponents long enough to get those +48 games in a decent number.

Bleh, I hope it doesn't become a trend for a pro to get a new account before a reset or when bonus is pool is turned off (something blizzard plans to do in future ladders) and try to rush up to some absurd amount of points on a relatively low amount of games. Just feels like a complete mockery of the ladder for the people with games in the thousands sitting around 2900 and 3000


He kept a low MMR because that account is shared by his friend who does a lot of team games. MMR is one and the same for 1v1 as for team games (which kinda sux).


So your saying this
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is the reason for this
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[image loading]


Damn, Im diamond in 1v1,2v2,3v3,4v4, No wonder I keep getting 2200 to 2600 pt diamonds in 1v1 when I'm only a 1000 pt diamond (makes it kinda tough for me to advance!)
Well, I'm off to de-rank all my team games to bronze!
:)
Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
January 05 2011 09:27 GMT
#240
Its not true. You do not have a shared MMR. However: When you start a new league/new team, the system will look to your other MMR's when finding the placement matches.
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