EPTGod I fucking hate blizzard's iron grip on match making. They are going to ruin this game like they did war3 by not allowing some third party who gives a shit to control the map pool. Has anyone confronted them on this? I can't recall any interviews where people asked in a hard nosed way why this map pool is so static. Does blizzard even realize how crappy this is for the players?
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
God I fucking hate blizzard's iron grip on match making. They are going to ruin this game like they did war3 by not allowing some third party who gives a shit to control the map pool. Has anyone confronted them on this? I can't recall any interviews where people asked in a hard nosed way why this map pool is so static. Does blizzard even realize how crappy this is for the players? | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On December 24 2010 11:31 onmach wrote: I just got dropped 3 times from battle.net in games I was winning so I'm going to rage a bit. God I fucking hate blizzard's iron grip on match making. They are going to ruin this game like they did war3 by not allowing some third party who gives a shit to control the map pool. Has anyone confronted them on this? I can't recall any interviews where people asked in a hard nosed way why this map pool is so static. Does blizzard even realize how crappy this is for the players? I just want to say that I think we should let the game be out longer than 6 months of retail release to truly make any statements or become frustrated with regards to the map pool. For all we know the map pool may change with the following ladder season after all. | ||
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sevia
United States954 Posts
I really hope I'm wrong, but this is Kotick. | ||
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WarSong
Canada126 Posts
On December 24 2010 06:49 majestouch wrote: winner winner chicken dinner, bliz's philosophy is as follows--make as much profit with the least investment it works pretty well for them look at wow a game that hasn't changed since day1 (in terms of skill level) every "boss" is a culmination of old bosses with new textures throw on an "expansion" and its a "brand new game"~ custom map creators are the only way tournaments and such can be fair, however, the average player who isn't in a clan/team won't be able to practice on said maps, therefore, lowering the number of up-and-coming gamers you apparently don't know one single thing about the diversity of WoW endgame content. i suspect you played in the molten core days where, yes, that one instance was fairly repetitive. guess what, MC was the first real endgame raiding content ever released. I've played with some of the best guilds in the game, and experienced each instance when it was new content, so i can actually authoritatively enlighten your misconceptions. BWL was extremely fun, nothing like MC, and at least twice as challenging. then you jump to AQ40, one of the most challenging instances in the history of the game (relative to its time) and, after that, the elite few good enough to make it that far tried their hands on Naxx40, the hardest instance ever released. not to mention the small, yet extremely fun, 20man instances that each had their own distinct feel. oh yeah, then there were three expansions after that. [edit]of course let us not forget that endgame raiding is only one of the countless things to do in WoW, there being so much more to the game than just a conglomeration of bosses to kill.[edit] OF COURSE SOME BOSSES ARE GUNNA BE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO PAST BOSSES. you have classes that attack, classes that heal, and classes that tank. you're usually gunna end up killing a bunch of bosses. welcome to RPGs. it's like you expect zealots to suddenly be able to attack air after a few weeks of their boring, monotonous "only attack ground" mechanic. maybe sc2 should evolve into a First Person Shooter after a while? since we apparently want every single facet of the game to constantly change each second, into something more exciting, challenging and grandiose. long story short, WoW is an incredible game, both artistically and otherwise. it's fun, diverse, challenging at times (and if you think otherwise, you never cleared pre-nerf sunwell) and satisfying: everything a game requires. but don't let 12million players fool you, best to stay away (since you'd obviously end up playing a Human Paladin). your ignorant "LOL i'll jump on the 'hate on WoW' bandwagon cause i can't think for myself" clump of run-on text gives me great assurance that your father is also your brother. + Show Spoiler + and, yes, we all pray for the day that the current map pool is cleared and replaced with professionally created and balanced maps. please give shakuras plateau back. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
On December 24 2010 10:48 Steel wrote: Since Blizzard is associated with the GSL, since the GSL makes a lot of money, and finally since the GSL is going to need new maps to satisfy the pro-games and the viewers, new maps will be made. Believe it or not the Starcraft 2 pro-scene is profitable. Well if GSL changes maps before the ladder maps are changed, the pros will rage because they can't practice easily. Read post. | ||
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WarSong
Canada126 Posts
On December 24 2010 13:19 neobowman wrote: Well if GSL changes maps before the ladder maps are changed, the pros will rage because they can't practice easily. Read post. pretty sure he's saying that BLIZZARD will present new maps for GOM, meaning that the ladder maps will also be changed. obviously if the GSL is using certain maps, those maps need to be in the ladder rotation, and Blizzard doesn't have down's syndrome (despite what most people apparently believe and yet spend their every moment of free time glued to Blizzard games). | ||
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TheUberMango
United States77 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
There's no reason for Blizzard to adopt ICCUP maps when ICCUP is so small time, at least internationally. And seeing as the NA scene isn't the biggest SC2 scene, it only stands to reason that the new maps will be done with Korea. | ||
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NoobStyles
Australia257 Posts
Until that day all we have is Blizz saying "maps aren't out job, why would you expect us to do anything with the maps. Just because we have complete control over the ladder map pool for every SC2 server. Doesn't mean its our responsibility to change the maps ever!" | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On December 24 2010 13:19 neobowman wrote: Well if GSL changes maps before the ladder maps are changed, the pros will rage because they can't practice easily. Read post. fuck the rage, do it anyways. GSL players have their own proteams/clans to practice with anyways | ||
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Askesis
216 Posts
It would be like SC1 players saying that balancing the game was pretty much finished before BW came out. And we have two expansions to get through (though they will most likely not be as revolutionary as BW was to SC...how can you compete with the lurker and DT?) It will take YEARS before this game is done balancing. We are essentially playing a beta right now when thinking of the finished SC2 project. This is the reason I think way too many people are complaining way too much right now about balance Now, for your points about maps, I pretty much agree. I think map rotation is critical to the long-term enjoyment of the game. I really do not have a problem with the current maps. I'm not one of these map-ragers that are so common. However, I don't want to play these maps forever. Maybe switching out 25% of the maps every 4 months, or one map every month, or anything. However, I'm not extremely optimistic. BW was only the way it was because of the third-party leagues. WC3 is an example of their attitide toward the ladder maps. Perhaps they will be different with SC2 (and we can only hope they are) and listen to the community about maps), but I'm not too confidant. but I am honestly not optimistic. In BW, it only happened because of the third-party ladders. You can look at WC3 as an example of Blizzard's feelings. | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
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Askesis
216 Posts
On December 24 2010 13:19 neobowman wrote: Well if GSL changes maps before the ladder maps are changed, the pros will rage because they can't practice easily. Read post. Are you trying to say that pros practice for GSL on ladder, not in custom games with their teammates? Pretty positive you are wrong. | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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andeh
United States904 Posts
Its weird to feel how blizzard is driving this game into the ground | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Every day there should be 1 different map in the pool. And there should be somewhere close to 20 maps to start with. The rotation should be random but there should be a healthy mix of 2-3 and 4-player maps. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
blizzard says: we want tournament organizators to pick their own maps (yes they said that at blizzcon) tournament organizators say: we can't use custom maps because they are not on ladder and people can't practise them (which is a terrible excuse in my oppinion) blizzard has terrible custom map system based on popularity but i believe if custom maps were introduced in tournaments people would actually like to play them, AND DON"T FORGET CHAT CHANNELS ARE COMING, which is probably the thing we were waiting for and people of all skill levels can actually arrange these custom games. i say tournament organizators need to stop their fucking excuses and add custom maps (iccup team would be glad to help im sure). don't go the "blizzard will eventually introduce new maps" because it's rubbish, look at wc3, and even if they do they'd be rubbish anyway. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On December 24 2010 09:04 ghermination wrote: Blizzard probably isn't going to switch up the map pool for a year, if ever, until HoTS is released. Until then they're happy that they've made a lot of money and still have two more games to sell you. With Activision at the reigns i wouldn't be surprised to see a $20 map pack come out at some point. Or maybe a $25 "Balance pack" that actually makes the game fun and competitive? hahaha, funny cause it's true anyone? I'd give it a year untill they start selling portrait/decal/color packs | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Never, ever going to happen. Not in a million years, so long as activision still has a clamp tight on blizzard's balls (not that I think it would probably happen even if Blizzard was independent from activision still...) | ||
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