EPTWhy aren't more Brood War pro-gamers switching? - Page 4
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TurtlePerson2
United States218 Posts
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StarStruck
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Essentia
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
I play SC2, because i never got pro at BW, but it's a cheap under-performing knockoff of the original in my opinion | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
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calvinL
Canada416 Posts
On December 21 2010 10:31 StarStruck wrote: Stork hasn't been in a great position to win a OSL or a MSL for a long time. You can say that about almost every Protoss. Until now. Just because the guy is on contract doesn't mean he cannot retire and make the switch. There are plenty examples of this and it's standard procedure. -_- I'm sure there are many rumors floating around and leave it to the mods please. I hear, backdoor moderating is highly frowned upon and can also result in a you know what. :/ Thats definitely not true. He was just 1 cannon away from getting to the final of the last OSL, just right under Flash and Jaedong. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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StarStruck
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EDIT: Here you go: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100970 Then again, it's all speculation. That would be around $173,200 USD at the moment, not considering bonuses. That is for Jaedong by the way. I'm pretty sure Flash makes more. I cannot remember precisely, but it's probably around $250k. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
They are good at BW, BW pays them well | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
On December 21 2010 10:44 krndandaman wrote: no? Flash and Jaedong, iirc make over or close to $100k per year from salary. (someone confirm this for me, but either way it's much more than the 1st place prize for GSL) also, these 2 are usually the ones who win MSL/OSL which is another $35,000 or so for each one. 4 msl/osl's per year, yearly salary, established bw fanbase, other sponsorships, team you've been with for years, game you've been playing for years (and know inside and out), etc. it's a no brainer that Jaedong,Flash,Bisu,Stork make so much more guaranteed and potential money from BW than GSL. Assuming the $100k (USD I assume?) is in fact true, they have a much higher earning potential in GSL. 1st place is $87k, 2nd is 35k... so all they would have to do is make sure they finish in the same spots they have in BW (the harder game) and they would triple or quadruple their earnings. IntoTheRainbow earned more than what you are telling me Flash and Jaedong make... and he did that in the span of two months. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On December 21 2010 10:33 Omigawa wrote: All the people saying it's economics, that just doesn't make sense, at least for the very top level players in BW. Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork would be at the top of SC2 within a matter of months, and with GSL's million won prize pool there's no question that they would stand to make a LOT more money than they currently are. How are you so sure with that bolded statement there? There's no guarantee that they will succeed with SC2. Sure, they have an advantage over other people due to massively high APM, but we're talking about SC2. It's a brand new game, which means brand new playing field. And to be honest, the barrier between amateur and pro in SC2 is slim; anyone can become a pro and anyone can become an amateur. And I don't see this barrier getting bigger and bigger, at least for next couple of years (if the leagues still go on by then). | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5818 Posts
On December 21 2010 07:36 wintergt wrote: Has there been a decline in interest (and sponsorships) for BW in Korea lately? Well, there were twelve Progamer teams last season of Proleague, now there are ten. Overall, however, Brood War still seems fine. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On December 21 2010 07:27 Mogwai wrote: bad analogy, this is their source of income not their spouse. bad analogy, she looks like jessica alba | ||
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kwkwookw
218 Posts
On December 21 2010 10:33 Omigawa wrote: All the people saying it's economics, that just doesn't make sense, at least for the very top level players in BW. Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork would be at the top of SC2 within a matter of months, and with GSL's million won prize pool there's no question that they would stand to make a LOT more money than they currently are. Now, for all of the mere mortals playing BW the economic argument makes sense. Even in real sports, salaries are what determine where the athletes play... if there was no salary in the NBA/NFL then the lower tier guys would go play ball in Europe (assuming the EU leagues did have a salary). Why would you risk not getting paid (even if the performance-based payout of the hypothetical NBA/NFL is greater) when you could make a stable salary in a less volatile? And of course the comparisons aren't really valid because NBA/NFL is equivalent to BW and European basketball/NFL Europa (even though it no longer exists) are equivalent to SC2 in terms of their pro scene. However, I think this argument will become less valid as the pro scene for SC2 develops and team begin to pick up sponsors. of course it makes sense. gsl's million won prize pool is only for a tournament. although jd, flash do have a high chance of winning, if all the other top bw progamers transition, even if it's them, there's no guarantee they will win it. and the 87,000 is only for first prize only. surely you know that the difference in prize money between 1st and second place, and between the finalists and the semi finalists, and between the semi finalists and the quarter finalists, is huge. basically, if you don't make the finals of the gsl, it's almost impossible to make a sustainable living out of the gsl. people are so flabbergasted by the gsl prize money but they don't look at the big picture. contrast this with the contracts for players like flash fantasy, etc. flash makes around 160,000 a year in contract alone. this, in addition to personal sponsorships, and also tournament prize money could add up to 250,000 a year. fantasy, stork, jd, make less but not by much. i think you get the picture. you may gloat how the gsl has the largest prize money ever, more than any bw starleague in the past. and that is correct. but does that mean there is more money in sc2 progaming? no way. there is no established infrastructure which makes sc2 progaming more viable. it was like this when professional bw first started. now it has blossomed into what it's become today. the same will most likely happen with sc2. but until then, of course sc1 top progamers won't transition over to sc2. | ||
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calvinL
Canada416 Posts
On December 21 2010 10:33 Omigawa wrote: All the people saying it's economics, that just doesn't make sense, at least for the very top level players in BW. Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork would be at the top of SC2 within a matter of months, and with GSL's million won prize pool there's no question that they would stand to make a LOT more money than they currently are. Now, for all of the mere mortals playing BW the economic argument makes sense. Even in real sports, salaries are what determine where the athletes play... if there was no salary in the NBA/NFL then the lower tier guys would go play ball in Europe (assuming the EU leagues did have a salary). Why would you risk not getting paid (even if the performance-based payout of the hypothetical NBA/NFL is greater) when you could make a stable salary in a less volatile? And of course the comparisons aren't really valid because NBA/NFL is equivalent to BW and European basketball/NFL Europa (even though it no longer exists) are equivalent to SC2 in terms of their pro scene. However, I think this argument will become less valid as the pro scene for SC2 develops and team begin to pick up sponsors. Check up on the salaries of S-class players before you make your claims. S class players like Jaedong and Flash have guaranteed salaries that are 200+ million won, and Flash from all his league wins made 500+ million won. If you win EVERYTHING in GSL 2011, you only get around 240 million won. However after first place, the prizes get cut down so much more. | ||
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HorstSchlemmer
Germany114 Posts
So NaDa made $600k in 3 years, that's like winning 15 times the new Code S tournament. I don't think anyone will be that dominant in the near future in SC2. | ||
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StarStruck
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 21 2010 10:38 TurtlePerson2 wrote: Perhaps some people will never make the switch. Starcraft could be like Counter-Strike, which has half the community still playing CS 1.6 while the other half play the more recent CS:Source. I would argue that the CS1.6/CSS split has hurt Counter-Strike as an e-sport. Competitive players don't want to leave CS 1.6 because they feel that it is more fair to skilled players (sound familiar). Except that as soon as there was money in CSS, all the best American 1.6 players left for that. CSS died, of course, but $$$ was more than enough to draw the best players over. | ||
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Deleted User 108965
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On December 21 2010 10:50 Omigawa wrote: Assuming the $100k (USD I assume?) is in fact true, they have a much higher earning potential in GSL. 1st place is $87k, 2nd is 35k... so all they would have to do is make sure they finish in the same spots they have in BW (the harder game) and they would triple or quadruple their earnings. IntoTheRainbow earned more than what you are telling me Flash and Jaedong make... and he did that in the span of two months. maybe more potential to win, but less guaranteed overall. its more of a risk | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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