EPTWhy aren't more Brood War pro-gamers switching? - Page 3
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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riverkim09
United States291 Posts
On December 21 2010 08:30 krndandaman wrote: lol so true. jaedong and flash and others alike just have an amazing work ethic and rts understanding... Yep... Honestly, Flash Jaedong and Bisu will destroy people in SC2. The SC2 pros now should get ahead while they can. | ||
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kwkwookw
218 Posts
also, you have to remember that from a progamer's perspective, sc1 isn't just a game. it's their job and career. it's what brings them food to the table. hence you don't just switch to sc2 because it's "new" or the "next big thing" like many casual gamers do. and lastly, like the guy above said, i doubt you'd see jinro or idra in code s if players like flash, fantasy, jaedong, bisu, stork, zero, etc. played. sure it's a different game but they have the skillsets to be good at rts games other than sc1. | ||
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saltygrapes
181 Posts
why would lebron play football if he's already the best player in the NBA? is having a snowball fight with pitching great randy johnson a bad idea? | ||
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brentsen
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
On December 21 2010 08:07 SolidusR wrote: The money is the biggest reason, no reason to gamble it away if you're already at the top. More than that though, from what I hear most of these pros are only dominant because of their APM compared to average mortals. They know this APM won't translate into victory in SC2, so likely they know they won't be champions at SC2. Different skillsets I suppose, when you lose in SC2 it's usually not because your hand wasn't flying around the keyboard at lightspeed. I doubt any of them would see the same level of success they enjoy now if they switched to SC2, because SC1 seems much easier to understand whereas SC2 is new and intimidating with its undeveloped strategies and questionably balanced state. I bet that Flash or Jaedong would be pretty damned dominant in SC2, hell Grack and others in Korea have said they fear the day when the current titans switch. Their APM isn't the only thing that sets them apart from the other BW players. These men have prodigious ability and creativity, they understand how to win RTS games at the most complex level. I don't think they will suck at SC2 lol. But really, if I was a BW pro-gamer I would switch once SC2 gets a more stable pro-scene. The maps are still really hectic, same with the game itself. BW is so well understood compared to SC2, it is only a matter of time before they are equal, but I wouldn't switch until SC2 is just as well understood as BW, or until my contract ran out xD | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On December 21 2010 08:46 saltygrapes wrote: why would flash/jaedong/etc. switch to SC2 when they're already the best at what they do? why would lebron play football if he's already the best player in the NBA? is having a snowball fight with pitching great randy johnson a bad idea? haha when it becomes the financially sound decision, theyll switch. no reason to do it now. | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
afaik only mvp was top bw player .... | ||
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UberThing
Great Britain410 Posts
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
If you are talking b-teamers it's because they are also under contract and can be sued if they break that contract to switch games. The only players who we should see witching over are b-teamers who are off contract and think that they can make more money playing SC2. | ||
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Niji87
United States112 Posts
On December 21 2010 08:07 SolidusR wrote: The money is the biggest reason, no reason to gamble it away if you're already at the top. More than that though, from what I hear most of these pros are only dominant because of their APM compared to average mortals. They know this APM won't translate into victory in SC2, so likely they know they won't be champions at SC2. Different skillsets I suppose, when you lose in SC2 it's usually not because your hand wasn't flying around the keyboard at lightspeed. I doubt any of them would see the same level of success they enjoy now if they switched to SC2, because SC1 seems much easier to understand whereas SC2 is new and intimidating with its undeveloped strategies and questionably balanced state. Hoooooooooly shit. That's an incredibly ignorant statement. You really, honestly believe that SC1 professional players are only good because they have high APM? Have you ever looked at Liquipedia I, the BW Liquipedia, and read the basic strategies in that let alone the advanced ones? Have you ever watched professional BW players play? Here, watch some videos of BW. BW is HEAVY on multi-tasking. Multi-tasking takes immense critical thinking to do right, not just handspeed. Seriously, though? I mean you have access to a fuckton of BW material on this site. It's literally a few clicks away. No typing required. There is no reason for that kind of ignorance. I just don't understand how this kind of stuff still keeps popping up everywhere. Anyway, on-topic. I think it's pretty simple as to why they're not switching over. Paychecks. Right now they get paychecks. ALL (A-Class) of them get paycecks. Albeit that some don't get amazing paychecks. On top of that they get a good bit of fame. There's no reason to switch to SC2, especially since it's an undeveloped eSports game. Up-and-coming doesn't equal established. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
On December 21 2010 09:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Stork was offered a lot of money for SC2 but he just wanted to stay with his Khan family. Do you have a source? Otherwise this is just trolling and grounds for a ban. Furthermore, saying that he was offered a lot of money is totally meaningless, since Stork makes a lot of money playing BW, and is an S-class gamer with the ability to win championships on top of that. Stork is most likely still on contract as well, meaning that, once again, he could be sued if he breaks that contract. | ||
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SamGamgee
79 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
if sc2 is there to stay it'll still be there when they finish their bw careers and they can switch over. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 21 2010 09:52 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: Do you have a source? Otherwise this is just trolling and grounds for a ban. Furthermore, saying that he was offered a lot of money is totally meaningless, since Stork makes a lot of money playing BW, and is an S-class gamer with the ability to win championships on top of that. Stork is most likely still on contract as well, meaning that, once again, he could be sued if he breaks that contract. Stork hasn't been in a great position to win a OSL or a MSL for a long time. You can say that about almost every Protoss. Until now. Just because the guy is on contract doesn't mean he cannot retire and make the switch. There are plenty examples of this and it's standard procedure. -_- I'm sure there are many rumors floating around and leave it to the mods please. I hear, backdoor moderating is highly frowned upon and can also result in a you know what. :/ | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
Now, for all of the mere mortals playing BW the economic argument makes sense. Even in real sports, salaries are what determine where the athletes play... if there was no salary in the NBA/NFL then the lower tier guys would go play ball in Europe (assuming the EU leagues did have a salary). Why would you risk not getting paid (even if the performance-based payout of the hypothetical NBA/NFL is greater) when you could make a stable salary in a less volatile? And of course the comparisons aren't really valid because NBA/NFL is equivalent to BW and European basketball/NFL Europa (even though it no longer exists) are equivalent to SC2 in terms of their pro scene. However, I think this argument will become less valid as the pro scene for SC2 develops and team begin to pick up sponsors. | ||
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riverkim09
United States291 Posts
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
Potential switches in the forseeable future would be B-teamers, oldtimers such as reach, yellow, xellos etc, and those that don't put out great results, such as MVP - decent, but not good enough to win anything but random PL matches. Big names switching won't happen until SC2 is established with a proper league of its own. Might even require being on a network, such as MBCGame or Ongamenet. | ||
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