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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 23:38:25
December 20 2010 23:33 GMT
#41
probably cuz BW is still the superior game with a more dedicated viewing audience and more stable financial opportunities. This is in large part due to the skill disparity between the two games: right now, a ro32 match in either league displays more skill than a championship or a semifinal in a GSL. There's also far more drama involved as the storylines behind each of the contestants are far more developed than those in GSL.
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riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 20 2010 23:38 GMT
#42
On December 21 2010 08:30 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2010 08:19 riverkim09 wrote:
You guys really want the SC1 giants to play sc2? You wont be seeing Jinro and IdrA in code S anymore then.


lol so true.
jaedong and flash and others alike just have an amazing work ethic and rts understanding...


Yep... Honestly, Flash Jaedong and Bisu will destroy people in SC2. The SC2 pros now should get ahead while they can.
kwkwookw
Profile Joined August 2010
218 Posts
December 20 2010 23:42 GMT
#43
there's just much more money in bw. the gsl prize pool is bigger but it's only a tournament. it's too hard to make a living as a sc2 progamer since there is no team infrastructure and hence there is no salary either. the sc2 teams like TSL, ogs do get sponsorships but they do not attract the major corporations in south korea, only small tech companies. bw gets sponsorships from samsung, SKT, KT, major banks, etc. while sc2 gets sponsorships from small tech companies. note, gsl does get sponsorships from sony ericsson and blizzard but quite honestly, blizzard only does so because the game is new and they want to promote their own game.

also, you have to remember that from a progamer's perspective, sc1 isn't just a game. it's their job and career. it's what brings them food to the table. hence you don't just switch to sc2 because it's "new" or the "next big thing" like many casual gamers do.

and lastly, like the guy above said, i doubt you'd see jinro or idra in code s if players like flash, fantasy, jaedong, bisu, stork, zero, etc. played. sure it's a different game but they have the skillsets to be good at rts games other than sc1.
saltygrapes
Profile Joined April 2010
181 Posts
December 20 2010 23:46 GMT
#44
why would flash/jaedong/etc. switch to SC2 when they're already the best at what they do?

why would lebron play football if he's already the best player in the NBA?

is having a snowball fight with pitching great randy johnson a bad idea?

sxpointz!
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
December 20 2010 23:47 GMT
#45
Because they are still making a lot of money and a transition to SC2 is unsafe. Thus only pro gamers with mild success at best would transition. You never know if you will succeed. Especially the top players would be in severe danger of ruining their reputation.
Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
December 20 2010 23:48 GMT
#46
On December 21 2010 08:07 SolidusR wrote:
The money is the biggest reason, no reason to gamble it away if you're already at the top.

More than that though, from what I hear most of these pros are only dominant because of their APM compared to average mortals. They know this APM won't translate into victory in SC2, so likely they know they won't be champions at SC2. Different skillsets I suppose, when you lose in SC2 it's usually not because your hand wasn't flying around the keyboard at lightspeed. I doubt any of them would see the same level of success they enjoy now if they switched to SC2, because SC1 seems much easier to understand whereas SC2 is new and intimidating with its undeveloped strategies and questionably balanced state.


I bet that Flash or Jaedong would be pretty damned dominant in SC2, hell Grack and others in Korea have said they fear the day when the current titans switch. Their APM isn't the only thing that sets them apart from the other BW players. These men have prodigious ability and creativity, they understand how to win RTS games at the most complex level. I don't think they will suck at SC2 lol.

But really, if I was a BW pro-gamer I would switch once SC2 gets a more stable pro-scene. The maps are still really hectic, same with the game itself. BW is so well understood compared to SC2, it is only a matter of time before they are equal, but I wouldn't switch until SC2 is just as well understood as BW, or until my contract ran out xD
Got that.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
December 20 2010 23:51 GMT
#47
On December 21 2010 08:46 saltygrapes wrote:
why would flash/jaedong/etc. switch to SC2 when they're already the best at what they do?

why would lebron play football if he's already the best player in the NBA?

is having a snowball fight with pitching great randy johnson a bad idea?



haha

when it becomes the financially sound decision, theyll switch. no reason to do it now.
:O
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
December 20 2010 23:59 GMT
#48
most of them don't believe in sc2 taking over bw, or even don't want to abandom friends or teamates.
afaik only mvp was top bw player ....
UberThing
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain410 Posts
December 20 2010 23:59 GMT
#49
Its all economics. Essentially this comes down to money. Currently as an established A list BW player, you can earn a decent salary. People are very unlikely to give that up -"essentially their career and livelihood" for another game in which they are guaranteed absolutely nothing. Yes SC2 is the future, but if you can still make more money from BW, why not?
Wag1
JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
December 21 2010 00:11 GMT
#50
Unfortunately even MVP wasn't all that good at BW. Legends like Boxer, NaDa, and July were also in a huge slump when they switched. Cool also left BW a long time ago and some other players never/rarely got to play televised matches.

KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
December 21 2010 00:20 GMT
#51
What do you mean by A-list, because that doesn't really mean anything? If you mean A-teamers it's because they are under contract and their salary pays them more than SC2 players make, with the exception of the few who have finished top 2 in the GSL.

If you are talking b-teamers it's because they are also under contract and can be sued if they break that contract to switch games.

The only players who we should see witching over are b-teamers who are off contract and think that they can make more money playing SC2.
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Niji87
Profile Joined September 2008
United States112 Posts
December 21 2010 00:21 GMT
#52
On December 21 2010 08:07 SolidusR wrote:
The money is the biggest reason, no reason to gamble it away if you're already at the top.

More than that though, from what I hear most of these pros are only dominant because of their APM compared to average mortals. They know this APM won't translate into victory in SC2, so likely they know they won't be champions at SC2. Different skillsets I suppose, when you lose in SC2 it's usually not because your hand wasn't flying around the keyboard at lightspeed. I doubt any of them would see the same level of success they enjoy now if they switched to SC2, because SC1 seems much easier to understand whereas SC2 is new and intimidating with its undeveloped strategies and questionably balanced state.


Hoooooooooly shit. That's an incredibly ignorant statement. You really, honestly believe that SC1 professional players are only good because they have high APM? Have you ever looked at Liquipedia I, the BW Liquipedia, and read the basic strategies in that let alone the advanced ones? Have you ever watched professional BW players play? Here, watch some videos of BW. BW is HEAVY on multi-tasking. Multi-tasking takes immense critical thinking to do right, not just handspeed.

Seriously, though? I mean you have access to a fuckton of BW material on this site. It's literally a few clicks away. No typing required. There is no reason for that kind of ignorance. I just don't understand how this kind of stuff still keeps popping up everywhere.

Anyway, on-topic. I think it's pretty simple as to why they're not switching over. Paychecks. Right now they get paychecks. ALL (A-Class) of them get paycecks. Albeit that some don't get amazing paychecks. On top of that they get a good bit of fame. There's no reason to switch to SC2, especially since it's an undeveloped eSports game. Up-and-coming doesn't equal established.
I am not very good at playing StarCraft.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 21 2010 00:27 GMT
#53
Stork was offered a lot of money for SC2 but he just wanted to stay with his Khan family.
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
December 21 2010 00:52 GMT
#54
On December 21 2010 09:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Stork was offered a lot of money for SC2 but he just wanted to stay with his Khan family.


Do you have a source? Otherwise this is just trolling and grounds for a ban. Furthermore, saying that he was offered a lot of money is totally meaningless, since Stork makes a lot of money playing BW, and is an S-class gamer with the ability to win championships on top of that. Stork is most likely still on contract as well, meaning that, once again, he could be sued if he breaks that contract.
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SamGamgee
Profile Joined December 2010
79 Posts
December 21 2010 01:17 GMT
#55
Doesnt help that BW is superior to SC2 currently. So no rush switching until SC2 is the better game, which may or may not happen.

Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
December 21 2010 01:22 GMT
#56
why not just play bw if ur still making lots of cash doing it?

if sc2 is there to stay it'll still be there when they finish their bw careers and they can switch over.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-21 01:33:38
December 21 2010 01:31 GMT
#57
On December 21 2010 09:52 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2010 09:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Stork was offered a lot of money for SC2 but he just wanted to stay with his Khan family.


Do you have a source? Otherwise this is just trolling and grounds for a ban. Furthermore, saying that he was offered a lot of money is totally meaningless, since Stork makes a lot of money playing BW, and is an S-class gamer with the ability to win championships on top of that. Stork is most likely still on contract as well, meaning that, once again, he could be sued if he breaks that contract.


Stork hasn't been in a great position to win a OSL or a MSL for a long time. You can say that about almost every Protoss. Until now. Just because the guy is on contract doesn't mean he cannot retire and make the switch. There are plenty examples of this and it's standard procedure. -_-

I'm sure there are many rumors floating around and leave it to the mods please. I hear, backdoor moderating is highly frowned upon and can also result in a you know what. :/
Omigawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1556 Posts
December 21 2010 01:33 GMT
#58
All the people saying it's economics, that just doesn't make sense, at least for the very top level players in BW. Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork would be at the top of SC2 within a matter of months, and with GSL's million won prize pool there's no question that they would stand to make a LOT more money than they currently are.

Now, for all of the mere mortals playing BW the economic argument makes sense. Even in real sports, salaries are what determine where the athletes play... if there was no salary in the NBA/NFL then the lower tier guys would go play ball in Europe (assuming the EU leagues did have a salary). Why would you risk not getting paid (even if the performance-based payout of the hypothetical NBA/NFL is greater) when you could make a stable salary in a less volatile? And of course the comparisons aren't really valid because NBA/NFL is equivalent to BW and European basketball/NFL Europa (even though it no longer exists) are equivalent to SC2 in terms of their pro scene.

However, I think this argument will become less valid as the pro scene for SC2 develops and team begin to pick up sponsors.
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 21 2010 01:34 GMT
#59
Also, I'm sure it would be boring for Flash and Jaedong to waste everyone right now. Let the noobies get a little better so its more fun hunting them later hahaha. You know, let the little fish go so you can catch it later.
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
December 21 2010 01:38 GMT
#60
It's increadibly risky to switch when SC2 is as new as it is. There is no way of knowing if the game has staying power or not, unlike BW which has been around for 12 years. If SC2 doesn't get established in the e-sports scene, switching would mean the end of your career as you'd be completely unable to switch back to competive BW.
Potential switches in the forseeable future would be B-teamers, oldtimers such as reach, yellow, xellos etc, and those that don't put out great results, such as MVP - decent, but not good enough to win anything but random PL matches. Big names switching won't happen until SC2 is established with a proper league of its own. Might even require being on a network, such as MBCGame or Ongamenet.
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