EPTOn July 23 2012 23:21 borlee wrote:
i guess you never played warcraft 3 in battlenet
everyone was called hacker :D
i guess you never played warcraft 3 in battlenet
everyone was called hacker :DOnly orc :D
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
On July 23 2012 15:41 dNa wrote: i dunno what a lack of a pair has to do with not leaving the game.. if people piss me off, i piss them off right back. Well, not really about pissing people off but if I run into a guy who acts like "out" (imperative), "leave" (without "please") or a boss-like "please leave" (especially when it's not yet over), then I will make him wait. On the other hand, "Would you please leave? I don't think you can really come back from that one and I'm on paid time in a cyber cafe. Thanks dude," would be an entirely different story (especially from a guy who didn't cheese you/use psychological annoyance tactics in the game). On July 23 2012 16:24 mr_tolkien wrote: And maybe he called GG because he thought it was a good game and enjoyed playing with you... Exactly. Back in about 2003, when I played Warcraft II BNE (a re-release of WC2 on the Starcraft engine), it was believed to be the winner's right to say gg. And you only got gg if you played well. People felt hurt for not getting it from the winner, sometimes acting passive aggressive about not getting it, another psych manipulative use of it was to say GG when you seemed to be winning but weren't really and a less experienced player could fall for that trick. It probably had the meaning that "wp" seems to have right now in the SC2 scene. For the losing player to say GG, it would be too assuming and thus rude (kinda in your face to the winner). But when the winner said "GG", you had the option to also say "GG" to him or not (and a mutual GG actually was believed to be the point of victory, so if the players engaged in conversation, the winner did nothing and the loser made an army to get back, this was grounds to redo the match or change the outcome in the one situation I encountered in a friendly tournament). "Well played" also appeared but was relatively rare and only in really justified cases, generally meaning an exceptional game, not just a regular, typical game at the typical level of performance of the (possibly good) players involved. The highest form of appreciation for the losing player by the winner, but also one often abused, was the "ally end", which in a team game gave a win to every surviving player (so only the earliest defeated ones got a loss, not sure but defeated players from the eventually winning team got a draw for the game, I think), while in a solo game it meant a draw recorded on your respective accounts. I came to TFT with this mindset and I think only in TFT I noticed the change in the meaning or use of GG. It was hard for me to adjust and it felt awkward to have to call it a good game when I was actually the loser, especially if I didn't have particular respect for the winning tactic (not like I always played nice myself). On July 23 2012 16:55 Nekovivie wrote: It's rude for the winning player to gg first, especially if its pre-emptive and the game isn't quite over. Whats hard to understand here. You never see the winners calling gg in tournaments, do you? I sometimes "preemptively" WP a player who plays like he only needs some experience to reach higher than I ever will or a player who visibly played to the limits or above the limits of his level, put up a good, determined fight or a guy who tried to play a convincing standard game but managed to lose. I have a soft spot in my heart and a lot of respect for those guys. Also: has anybody mentioned the "gg hf" from some people at the beginning of a game, instead of "gl hf"? I think they say it in good faith, wishing you a good game, rather than implying that they will win it. By contrast, guys who ask you to leave at the beginning of a game because they're supposedly deranked gosus, should be banned and I think those who try to unnerve the opponent with rude language and insults from the get go should perhaps be reported to the police for some appropriate misdemeanour action. Or just their ISP, probably even better. On July 23 2012 23:21 borlee wrote: i guess you never played warcraft 3 in battlenet everyone was called hacker :DOh yes. But WC3 ladder levels were completely unreliable and people had varying levels of skill in particular aspects of the game. You could easily run into a guy with a great ability to predict your moves without being an otherwise particularly great player. I think it came down to how much thought people devoted to predicting the opponent's move and their game plan which could rely on either "creeping" (grinding levels on monsters, a critical part of the early game) on their own like a good boy or trying to abuse the opponent when he did that, so called "creepjacking". Creepjacking was particularly awful with units which had invisibility and/or swift killing moves, where you basically dealt 99% of the damage to the critter but the opponent jumped out of his invisibility, delivered the sole killing blow and stole all the XP and the item which the critter dropped. Critter could have been a minor mob but also a large boss, e.g. the most powerful of the pack. I remember feeling particularly frustrated, cheated, whatever (including disliking this particular aspect of the mechanics of the game) when this parasitic style of play was used against me. It's not like I never did it when the situation warranted it but it was not my actual entire game plan. I felt like it was a normal ability for a professional or gosu player but for a newbie or average or even good player it was an ignoble thing to specialise in and concentrate on just being an ass like that instead of either doing some stuff on his own or at least properly attacking/harassing you and practicing his skills in the general game. Needless to say, it didn't feel good to be attacked from behind when you were creeping. And obviously not three times in a row in the same game. It could happen in entirely legitimate ways but with the general knowledge of the wide use of maphack, it was not hard to think that you were being maphacked by somebody. Somebody who might've just been being an ass leaving everything else to calculate your creeping moves and hit you precisely there and then. Or lucky. Or just simply that good. That and the spy critters from especially the human's shop. They cost 50 gold, so they were a significant expense early on but you could cover the entire map with them later on if you wanted. (They also counted as your own units for the purposes of the Archmage's Mass Teleport ability but this is an entirely different story.) | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On July 24 2012 00:30 NewbieOne wrote: Also: has anybody mentioned the "gg hf" from some people at the beginning of a game, instead of "gl hf"? I think they say it in good faith, wishing you a good game, rather than implying that they will win it. A gg at the start of the game is no problem at all, since like you say they're usually just wishing you a good game. Feels like we're drifting off topic though... | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
Played a ZvT against a guy named EasyModeZerg. I'm Top8 EU Gold. He was Plat IIRC. If you just want the specific BM that made me lmfao like an idiot, check the spoiler labelled "Highlight BM," but the other ones are more detailed accounts that I thought people might enjoy The events of the game: (Text cuts off, here's what it says: ) Subject attacks third with banshees. I save my third, but I lose my drones 'cause I'm stupid and awful and didn't make an overseer after scouting two techlabbed starports. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XCCi9h.jpg?1) Subject then proceeds to donate about 8 Hellions off his follow-up push with 4 Thors and about 12 Banshees: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yXECvh.jpg?1) (Note how he used his Hellions to spread out damage evenly among my creep tumors without actually killing any of them. Solid gold-level play) Push arrives. I suicide my Queens to buy time for the Banelings to morph: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FBW0ah.jpg?1) Banelings roll in, screaming, "LOVE ME. I WANT YOU TO LOVE ME!" + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/awA1Ch.jpg?1) I clean up the rest of the attack with magic box Mutalisks (had about 12 more sitting in my main, but I really suck xD): + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4yuzZh.jpg?1) Because I was just too damn stupid to morph extra Overseers in case my first one died, the 12 Banshees proceed to find a blind spot in my natural and kill the second Hatchery of the game, bringing me down to two: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q8rIbh.jpg?1) Knowing that 20 produced Banshees and 4 Thors at that point means he can't possibly have anything to defend at home, I triple expand, deny his third: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GAqLGh.jpg?1) And bust his front for an easy win: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3g9Uth.jpg?1) The Highlight BM: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/I4sE4.png) ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6r25jZ4eS1qkgbi2.gif) <---mfwFull Chat Log of him raging about TvZ (I was a little BM myself, but nothing that provocative; I was just being honest): + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F0vjSh.jpg?1) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P1Rkih.jpg?1) | ||
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On July 24 2012 02:43 NewbieOne wrote: I can't excuse calling you a faggot but other than that, it's by no means epic BM. Try to understand him. From a non-Zerg point of view, being able to a-move a ton of units whose sole purpose is to explode plus the mobility of mutas (like an uncloaked banshee-viking hybrid in terms of what you can do with it) can make it look like zerg has it easier than you. Everybody may disagree and most people probably will but I think banelings are poor design and the entire game is a bit too much on the cheesy/harass side, so frustrations like that can occur. After all, he did build a certain mixed-composition attack force that got simply blown up by a mass of banelings and that's not something everybody can take well. Which is by no means to deny you the credit for smartly concluding that he had nothing home and hitting him there, or smartly using the queens to buy time plus even those banes that nobody can blame a zerg player for using because the game more or less requires him to do so, I guess. No balance discussions in here, please. Rule #4. I just thought it's pretty hilarious how dedicated he was to hating on Zerg, with the name and his first chat message being identical cries of imbalance, hence the Arrested Development .gif | ||
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Immutant
Singapore201 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ef0iel.jpg) I decided not to fight with crazy so I kept quiet and hoped he might think I am a Mexican/Latin/Amazon/African/Eskimo + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/A0gHNl.jpg) Btw, the Bio Ravens is pretty good... first time I came across it and I thought that rushing into the bio mass would work... but the missiles really took down my supply + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mF7cwl.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H2gl4l.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YYMS7l.jpg) I kept sending lings to their death to scout what he was up to, as my creep spread is useless vs ravens. To which he replied + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TvsSwl.jpg) Final battle + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3V0mml.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mFFXBl.jpg) Right away after this match I googled how to block opponent's chat in game. The solution seems to be press F11 and then the mute button. Does anyone know if Bnet will send a message to the opponent saying things like "You have been blocked by player X. Blah blah". I would like to know. If Bnet doesn't = he wastes his apm lol = better for me. | ||
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
On July 24 2012 02:55 Shantastic wrote: No balance discussions in here, please. Rule #4. I am not talking balance, as in which race has it easier, but explaining how stuff may feel subjectively from an affected (frustrated) point of view. There is a difference. | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On July 24 2012 03:18 NewbieOne wrote: I am not talking balance, as in which race has it easier, but explaining how stuff may feel subjectively from an affected (frustrated) point of view. There is a difference. The spirit of the rule in question is to maintain the levity of the thread, so pay heed to that rather than the semantics of balance vs metagame/race psychology. Most BM comes from a frustrated point of view; this just isn't the place to discuss that, though. | ||
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Ironsights
United States196 Posts
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Visage814
United States109 Posts
He had just dropped on either two or all three of my bases, and I lost quite a few probes, but nothing of too much consequence, and since he lost all his stuff during those drops, I decided to attack, and that attack won the game... then this  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lXKs2.png) | ||
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Terrorcore
Canada132 Posts
The guy went on about how this was BM from me. Now I know how ridiculous that sounds but is there some sort of code or 'unwritten' law about targeting an early probe in order to get rid of it quickly? I believe the guy was upset because he was expecting to harass/block me and I decided to shut his plan down early but still, this got me thinking. | ||
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Achaia
United States643 Posts
On July 24 2012 21:34 Terrorcore wrote: Got accused of BM yesterday for something that seemed very trivial to me. Long story short, it was a ZvP and my opponent's probe scout went through my mineral line. Bad idea or just a misclick because I decided to pull some of my drones and do a surround to kill it quickly. This allowed me to safely fast expand without having to worry about a pylon block or any other probe shenanigans. The guy went on about how this was BM from me. Now I know how ridiculous that sounds but is there some sort of code or 'unwritten' law about targeting an early probe in order to get rid of it quickly? I believe the guy was upset because he was expecting to harass/block me and I decided to shut his plan down early but still, this got me thinking. No it's not BM but I think most people assume they're safe to do that since you never see pros pull a group of workers to do a quick surround. The reason pros don't do that though is because if you don't kill the scouting worker it's not worth the mining time lost and most players at that level are good enough to mineral walk quickly enough to get out of there. He was probably just pissed because he wasn't expecting it and you got a free expo because of it. | ||
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Terrorcore
Canada132 Posts
On July 24 2012 21:40 Achaia wrote: No it's not BM but I think most people assume they're safe to do that since you never see pros pull a group of workers to do a quick surround. The reason pros don't do that though is because if you don't kill the scouting worker it's not worth the mining time lost and most players at that level are good enough to mineral walk quickly enough to get out of there. He was probably just pissed because he wasn't expecting it and you got a free expo because of it. Thanks for the quick answer. I understand why most people don't do it and I agree that if you fail to kill the scout you will be behind in mining time. I'll try it if I feel good about my surround and the direction the probe is heading in relation to my drones currently mining. A high risk/high reward type of scenario I like to call it. Thanks again. | ||
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MasterMonkey
United States96 Posts
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
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Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i50.tinypic.com/qrdmde.jpg) after he proxied me 2rax in my main on Ohana ,and looses miserably. | ||
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Mongoose
United Kingdom190 Posts
On July 24 2012 21:54 Terrorcore wrote: I understand why most people don't do it and I agree that if you fail to kill the scout you will be behind in mining time. I'll try it if I feel good about my surround and the direction the probe is heading in relation to my drones currently mining. A high risk/high reward type of scenario I like to call it. Thanks again. I like to try and surround the scouting worker if i have a high chance of getting a complete surround with 4/5 of my workers, it usually kills the enemy worker before they can react. If it doesn't get the surround i put them back to work and they only lose a second or so of mining time. Also i find it pretty BM (or disrespectful) when protoss players relentlessly harass your SCV with their probe. It's not even that annoying since I'm used to dealing with it, except on the rare occasion when they actually kill your scv :/ | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On July 25 2012 01:42 Crying wrote: after he proxied me 2rax in my main on Ohana ,and looses miserably. Don't post your own bm. Delete your post, it does not belong here. Prepare to get flamed for the next 2 pages. | ||
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chriZqq
141 Posts
On July 25 2012 01:42 Crying wrote: after he proxied me 2rax in my main on Ohana ,and looses miserably. How to fail the thread, u began braggnig, so you are a worthless bm scrub, get outta here | ||
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