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On December 04 2010 12:23 Silidons wrote:I love all the zerg QQing. Saying that there is no counter to Phoenix, and how we have an air units that can be massed and able to keep you in your base if you don't want to build spores. Welcome to Toss and Terran life vs Mutas my good friends 
u do know that 5 phoenixes kill mutas really effectively right? oh yeah and +1 vikings beat +1 mutas HARD and 1 thor or marines and turrets... they are all great options to deal with mutas properly. but now how is zerg going to deal with air properly hydras are fucking terrible in every single way. if u see a zerg go hydras, storm or collosus will melt u so bad, extra queens u say? phoenix void ray anyone? I honestly think these are the worst patch changes i've ever seen and we are not going to see anything but protoss dominate for the next month bec zerg is never going to have a reliable scout and even if u scout them u cant react with much considering u only have 6 units to choose from.
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On December 04 2010 12:28 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:24 Salv wrote:On December 04 2010 12:23 Silidons wrote:I love all the zerg QQing. Saying that there is no counter to Phoenix, and how we have an air units that can be massed and able to keep you in your base if you don't want to build spores. Welcome to Toss and Terran life vs Mutas my good friends Yeah, that's not exactly the same thing. Yes it is. Zergs complaining that in ZvZ you can't FG mutas to stop them. Well now they have to deal with Muta harass the same way us Toss and Terran do. Running frantically from base to base cursing at them.
True , but if we cant fungal them we cant kill them if they are not stupid to run over our hydras wich have no huge AA AOE , or teleporting superfast offcreep units 
And we still have the worst AA static
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On December 04 2010 11:25 Zelniq wrote:
OK so I have a legit source that told me the reason for this infestor fungal nerf was because they removed void ray's speed upgrade. If that's the case why can't they just instead make it so:
- Void Rays are now immune to movement-impairing effects.
(which is only fungal growth)
Really? For Voids? Who in their right mind would waste FG on voids, Hydras deal dmg quick enough to kill them, and Corruptor's and Mutalisks can catch them.
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On December 04 2010 12:29 Mikro wrote:
Bunker build time decreased by 5 seconds. As if 2rax pressure isn't bad enough >.<
Although I do like that the scv move pattern while building is much stable than before.
This change is to make easier for Terran to defend themselves. I think its a good change, bunker take forever to build when you need it for defense.
With scr repair change, this will not impact the rush/allin much I hope
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On December 04 2010 12:30 dtz wrote:
do i start with my MMR in the NA ladder or everyone starts from scratch?
It made me make a new ID so I dunno.
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On December 04 2010 12:26 Pandain wrote:im confused about where to download it. Where is it? i mean, i see where it says it is, but how do i get there me=incompetent  nvm i got it
Look in your StarCraft II folder there should be an executable there. I'm dling now!
~LoA
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On December 04 2010 10:57 ZekZ wrote:
looks like they want phoenixes to be a integral part of protoss play. Zergs are gonna have a real hard time if they don't scout a 2star phoenix opening way ahead of time.
holy fuck i just relized cant fungal medivacs anymore!!!
if you watch july zerg in the gsl mc goes 2 stargate pumps a voidray and then like 6 phoenixes chases away all the mutas. he feels safe so he moves out and corrupter hydra roach ling just rolls his poor army.
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On December 04 2010 12:31 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:25 Zelniq wrote:
OK so I have a legit source that told me the reason for this infestor fungal nerf was because they removed void ray's speed upgrade. If that's the case why can't they just instead make it so:
- Void Rays are now immune to movement-impairing effects.
(which is only fungal growth) Really? For Voids? Who in their right mind would waste FG on voids, Hydras deal dmg quick enough to kill them, and Corruptor's and Mutalisks can catch them.
Probably the same guy who suggested that barracks can't be built until the depot finishes because it was kind of imbalanced in TEAM GAMES I guess.
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On December 04 2010 12:23 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:20 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 12:19 Djeez wrote:On December 04 2010 12:16 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 12:14 Djeez wrote:On December 04 2010 12:13 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 12:11 Djeez wrote:On December 04 2010 12:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 12:08 Ocedic wrote:On December 04 2010 11:58 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
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You realize that it takes like 6 minutes for a mutalisk to regen all its health right? Transfusion from extra queens. Learn it and use it. Not what he was talking about, and having more than 1 extra queen is either because you're retarded or one of your hatches died. lol, say that to Dimaga. What a retarded statement. if youre talking about the game where he massed queens + spines Id like to remind you he lost that game. Absolutely not. He makes more queens than hatcheries and a lot of games he play. I'm not talking about massing them either. Does he make one more? or a bunch more? because a bunch more is stupid, instead of spending 150 minerals on a roach heal you could spend it on another two roaches. I am not talking about making additional queens each and every game. I am talking about if you scout a fast starport, or a double starport even. Or in our case, stargates. Queens are the best way to deal with early pheonix harass/void ray harass, as I have tested multiple times over the last few days (because goddamn those build pisses me off). Yeah, thats an exception to the rule. If your opponent is going heavy air I'd agree, but I dont agree with making extra queens to heal mutalisks. It's one of their many uses. That's like saying I wouldn't get extra medivacs JUST to drop. Well, likely not, but you'd get them to heal. Same thing, you get more creep, heal, and good anti air.
Except queens have range 3 and do like 8 dps and medivacs turn bio into badass killing machines
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Can anyone confirm that SEA version(which have access to NA) can participate in the PTR?
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On December 04 2010 12:31 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:29 Mikro wrote:
Bunker build time decreased by 5 seconds. As if 2rax pressure isn't bad enough >.<
Although I do like that the scv move pattern while building is much stable than before. This change is to make easier for Terran to defend themselves. I think its a good change, bunker take forever to build when you need it for defense. With scr repair change, this will not impact the rush/allin much I hope
They take the same amount of time regardless and 2 rax all ins did NOT need a bunker buff so you could defend when someone crushed it.
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On December 04 2010 12:30 Darhaja wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:23 Silidons wrote:I love all the zerg QQing. Saying that there is no counter to Phoenix, and how we have an air units that can be massed and able to keep you in your base if you don't want to build spores. Welcome to Toss and Terran life vs Mutas my good friends u do know that 5 phoenixes kill mutas really effectively right? oh yeah and +1 vikings beat +1 mutas HARD and 1 thor or marines and turrets... they are all great options to deal with mutas properly. but now how is zerg going to deal with air properly hydras are fucking terrible in every single way. if u see a zerg go hydras, storm or collosus will melt u so bad, extra queens u say? phoenix void ray anyone? I honestly think these are the worst patch changes i've ever seen and we are not going to see anything but protoss dominate for the next month bec zerg is never going to have a reliable scout and even if u scout them u cant react with much considering u only have 6 units to choose from.
I don't understand your and other zergs reasoning. Phoenix's deal with Muta harrass, but you forced us to make Phoenix's. Why are you avoiding Corruptors? We had to make Phoenix, but you don't have to make Corruptor like us? That's what I don't understand. You're completely avoiding the real strategy and trying to make it look like it's worse for you than it actually is.
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On December 04 2010 12:31 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:25 Zelniq wrote:
OK so I have a legit source that told me the reason for this infestor fungal nerf was because they removed void ray's speed upgrade. If that's the case why can't they just instead make it so:
- Void Rays are now immune to movement-impairing effects.
(which is only fungal growth) Really? For Voids? Who in their right mind would waste FG on voids, Hydras deal dmg quick enough to kill them, and Corruptor's and Mutalisks can catch them.
You have to watch Kiwikaki vs Machine Root Warzone.
I think David Kim contacted a lot of zergs including catz root if they are having problem with mass vr with speed and if removing fungal and speed will compromize that.
In which Catz said : you remove fungal i quit the game
so i guess they just remove the fungal AA. lol
That's probably one of the legit sources zelniq is talking about.
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the chat channels will probably be patched to have admin/mods and stuff
come to the teamliquid channel and join the party!
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On December 04 2010 12:31 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:25 Zelniq wrote:
OK so I have a legit source that told me the reason for this infestor fungal nerf was because they removed void ray's speed upgrade. If that's the case why can't they just instead make it so:
- Void Rays are now immune to movement-impairing effects.
(which is only fungal growth) Really? For Voids? Who in their right mind would waste FG on voids, Hydras deal dmg quick enough to kill them, and Corruptor's and Mutalisks can catch them.
just for the record mutalisks suck ass vs voids.
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Hmm. Some good things, and some not so good things. The infestor change affects my zergling infestor build, cause the whole point is that the infestor's fungal growth can detect cloaked banshees and hold them in place for infested terrans. And I'm gonna miss spamming a billion zerglings by holding down the z key. Ultra damage change is good though, and I'm excited to hear about the extreme graphics mode, because I remember reading an interview saying they really held back graphically on the game to increase playability. I'm also wondering what the unbuildable area at the bottom of ramps is gonna look like...
Yay, chat!
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On December 04 2010 12:28 willeesmalls wrote:
If Infestor change gets implemented, zerg is pretty much left with only one option in zvt.
lose?
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On December 04 2010 12:32 Caphe wrote:
Can anyone confirm that SEA version(which have access to NA) can participate in the PTR?
Yes. I can access it
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On December 04 2010 12:29 Luckbox wrote:Show nested quote +
That is a really good suggestion. 20 phoenix shouldn't die because of one fungal, nor should they be invincible. Nice compromise.
How about not one control group syndroming your entire air army when you know Z has infestors out? Too much to ask for?
I am zerg actually, but I appreciate your insulting tone.
Splitting air is extremely hard in any case, harder than pulling off marine micro as the fungal radius massive. I can't even see it being very viable, however fancy you lose the majority of your phoenix if you run into an infestor. That's just how it is (well, was).
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On December 04 2010 12:32 LordofAscension wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:26 Pandain wrote:im confused about where to download it. Where is it? i mean, i see where it says it is, but how do i get there me=incompetent nvm i got it Look in your StarCraft II folder there should be an executable there. I'm dling now! ~LoA
LoA, do you have any plan to release a SC2 pimpest play? Those BW pimpest are awesome!!!
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