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So with the new scv repair priority thor rushes are going to be alot less effective since you'll hit the scvs first instead of running around trying to attack the thor
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On December 04 2010 12:11 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 12:08 Ocedic wrote:On December 04 2010 11:58 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:56 Enervate wrote:On December 04 2010 11:46 vyyye wrote:On December 04 2010 11:44 whomybuddy wrote:
Pheonix can be counter by corruptors easy. It'll change ZvZ match up since mass muta is no longer afraid of fungal growth. I don't use infestor that much anyway so don't really care. How the fuck do you counter phoenix with corruptors? You do realize phoenix are a lot faster than corruptors? No one cares about not being able to kill phoenix head on, that's easy and only a stupid protoss would engage that way. The problem is there's no way to deal with phoenix harass properly. There are ways you can limit the damage but in the end, assuming equal skill and high level, a protoss phoenix harass will always be cost effective which is silly. People saying spores... really? Do you even play the game? They'll damage the shields and then the phoenixes fly away. Would need a lot of bloody spores to deal with them, and that's quite an investment. Sounds like another flying unit in ZvT, but I can't seem to recall the name. I do know that T had to build turrets to defend against them, though. But still their health regenerated, so any good player would just snipe stuff and leave. You realize that it takes like 6 minutes for a mutalisk to regen all its health right? Transfusion from extra queens. Learn it and use it. Not what he was talking about, and having more than 1 extra queen is either because you're retarded or one of your hatches died. *cough**points at dozens of GSL games involving multiple queens**cough*
Shouldn't even need to do that. 150 minerals and you're guaranteed (assuming no creep tumor snipes) to have creep covering at least 50% of the map during mid game, 150 more and your ultras will have a lot more lives during late game, how is that "retarded"?
On December 04 2010 12:12 Irrelevant wrote:
So with the new scv repair priority thor rushes are going to be alot less effective since you'll hit the scvs first instead of running around trying to attack the thor
Aye, one thor can no longer kill infinite stalkers/roaches with nothing but auto repair.
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On December 04 2010 12:11 Djeez wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 12:08 Ocedic wrote:On December 04 2010 11:58 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:56 Enervate wrote:On December 04 2010 11:46 vyyye wrote:On December 04 2010 11:44 whomybuddy wrote:
Pheonix can be counter by corruptors easy. It'll change ZvZ match up since mass muta is no longer afraid of fungal growth. I don't use infestor that much anyway so don't really care. How the fuck do you counter phoenix with corruptors? You do realize phoenix are a lot faster than corruptors? No one cares about not being able to kill phoenix head on, that's easy and only a stupid protoss would engage that way. The problem is there's no way to deal with phoenix harass properly. There are ways you can limit the damage but in the end, assuming equal skill and high level, a protoss phoenix harass will always be cost effective which is silly. People saying spores... really? Do you even play the game? They'll damage the shields and then the phoenixes fly away. Would need a lot of bloody spores to deal with them, and that's quite an investment. Sounds like another flying unit in ZvT, but I can't seem to recall the name. I do know that T had to build turrets to defend against them, though. But still their health regenerated, so any good player would just snipe stuff and leave. You realize that it takes like 6 minutes for a mutalisk to regen all its health right? Transfusion from extra queens. Learn it and use it. Not what he was talking about, and having more than 1 extra queen is either because you're retarded or one of your hatches died. lol, say that to Dimaga. What a retarded statement.
if youre talking about the game where he massed queens + spines Id like to remind you he lost that game.
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Really though, how can you stop a phoenix opening PvZ now? I don't understand. How can you catch them?
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On December 04 2010 12:10 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:09 D1pstick wrote:Here is a picture of the chat channels btw... ![[image loading]](http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9940/chatchannels.png) Can't wait to join esports channel and argue with people about Idra's BM!!!
Wtf wheres the trade chat?
Seriously though, thats cool. Can't wait for it.
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On December 04 2010 12:11 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:26 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:22 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:11 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless? How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate. zergs never win anything! are you trolling? u read my whole post and couldn't detect the sarcasm in that statement? no, i did detect it, that's what worried me. wanna bet that i can name 5+ tournaments terran have won post 1.1.2 per every tournament you can name that a zerg won? I don't really give a shit, terran and zerg have both won a shitload, zerg won both gsls. it wasn't a point i was trying to start some debate on, it was mocking people who are pre-emptively acting like it's impossible to win with zerg, which is exactly what they were saying while a zerg won GSL 1. no zerg hasnt won a shitload since first 2 months of beta. You gotta be a complete retard to think that zerg winning gsl somehow absolves teh balance team of hundereds of tournaments terrans have won. Aye. Its been a while since zerg has won shitload. I did some quick research and the last time you won something was the Jedi Tourney #1 on August 12th. You won a shitload of stuff in the beta though. A lot of that is due to the small number of zergs compared to the other races, especially at the top levels.
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What does the actual chat channel UI look like though
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This copy of Battle.net does not have associated copy blah blah thing is killing me.
Seriously, it's a North American copy, and I bought it on release. Don't say I don't have a copy of Starcraft 2.
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On December 04 2010 12:13 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:11 Djeez wrote:On December 04 2010 12:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 12:08 Ocedic wrote:On December 04 2010 11:58 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:56 Enervate wrote:On December 04 2010 11:46 vyyye wrote:On December 04 2010 11:44 whomybuddy wrote:
Pheonix can be counter by corruptors easy. It'll change ZvZ match up since mass muta is no longer afraid of fungal growth. I don't use infestor that much anyway so don't really care. How the fuck do you counter phoenix with corruptors? You do realize phoenix are a lot faster than corruptors? No one cares about not being able to kill phoenix head on, that's easy and only a stupid protoss would engage that way. The problem is there's no way to deal with phoenix harass properly. There are ways you can limit the damage but in the end, assuming equal skill and high level, a protoss phoenix harass will always be cost effective which is silly. People saying spores... really? Do you even play the game? They'll damage the shields and then the phoenixes fly away. Would need a lot of bloody spores to deal with them, and that's quite an investment. Sounds like another flying unit in ZvT, but I can't seem to recall the name. I do know that T had to build turrets to defend against them, though. But still their health regenerated, so any good player would just snipe stuff and leave. You realize that it takes like 6 minutes for a mutalisk to regen all its health right? Transfusion from extra queens. Learn it and use it. Not what he was talking about, and having more than 1 extra queen is either because you're retarded or one of your hatches died. lol, say that to Dimaga. What a retarded statement. if youre talking about the game where he massed queens + spines Id like to remind you he lost that game.
Absolutely not. He makes more queens than hatcheries and a lot of games he play. I'm not talking about massing them either.
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void ray got nerfed again... ffs.
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On December 04 2010 12:11 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:26 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:22 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:11 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless? How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate. zergs never win anything! are you trolling? u read my whole post and couldn't detect the sarcasm in that statement? no, i did detect it, that's what worried me. wanna bet that i can name 5+ tournaments terran have won post 1.1.2 per every tournament you can name that a zerg won? I don't really give a shit, terran and zerg have both won a shitload, zerg won both gsls. it wasn't a point i was trying to start some debate on, it was mocking people who are pre-emptively acting like it's impossible to win with zerg, which is exactly what they were saying while a zerg won GSL 1. no zerg hasnt won a shitload since first 2 months of beta. You gotta be a complete retard to think that zerg winning gsl somehow absolves teh balance team of hundereds of tournaments terrans have won. Aye. Its been a while since zerg has won shitload. I did some quick research and the last time you won something was the Jedi Tourney #1 on August 12th. You won a shitload of stuff in the beta though.
youre making me blush
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On December 04 2010 12:13 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:11 MythicalMage wrote:On December 04 2010 12:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 12:08 Ocedic wrote:On December 04 2010 11:58 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:56 Enervate wrote:On December 04 2010 11:46 vyyye wrote:On December 04 2010 11:44 whomybuddy wrote:
Pheonix can be counter by corruptors easy. It'll change ZvZ match up since mass muta is no longer afraid of fungal growth. I don't use infestor that much anyway so don't really care. How the fuck do you counter phoenix with corruptors? You do realize phoenix are a lot faster than corruptors? No one cares about not being able to kill phoenix head on, that's easy and only a stupid protoss would engage that way. The problem is there's no way to deal with phoenix harass properly. There are ways you can limit the damage but in the end, assuming equal skill and high level, a protoss phoenix harass will always be cost effective which is silly. People saying spores... really? Do you even play the game? They'll damage the shields and then the phoenixes fly away. Would need a lot of bloody spores to deal with them, and that's quite an investment. Sounds like another flying unit in ZvT, but I can't seem to recall the name. I do know that T had to build turrets to defend against them, though. But still their health regenerated, so any good player would just snipe stuff and leave. You realize that it takes like 6 minutes for a mutalisk to regen all its health right? Transfusion from extra queens. Learn it and use it. Not what he was talking about, and having more than 1 extra queen is either because you're retarded or one of your hatches died. *cough**points at dozens of GSL games involving multiple queens**cough* Shouldn't even need to do that. 150 minerals and you're guaranteed (assuming no creep tumor snipes) to have creep covering at least 50% of the map during mid game, how is that "retarded"?
Having 1 extra queen is great because you can spread creep really well. Having more than one extra queen is retarded because it honestly doesn't help with anything but healing your hurt mutalisks which you forgot in his base.
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On December 04 2010 12:09 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 12:08 TheGrimace wrote:
Maybe instead of Fungal locking down flying units it can just slow them down, similar to ensnare in bw.
That is a really good suggestion. 20 phoenix shouldn't die because of one fungal, nor should they be invincible. Nice compromise.
I second that. The fungal change might be a little too drastic.
Other then that: good tyms 
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On December 04 2010 12:12 PH wrote:
The change to Z no longer being able to build one type of unit out of their larva by holding down the hotkey is going to suck...
wow I almost missed that, and that does suck. It's going to be so much slower to build up a late game army. I think I hate that !
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On December 04 2010 12:14 haduken wrote:
void ray got nerfed again... ffs.
Flux vanes removes and +20% to massive. Doesn't that balance out to a buff?
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On December 04 2010 12:14 haduken wrote:
void ray got nerfed again... ffs.
They got 20% boost to massive....that's huge.
Nobody ever gets flux veins in 1v1 anyway.
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hahaha, despite protoss buffs, true to their history, Blizzard has to still nerf protoss in some way no matter how small (removal of speed for VRs) x]
Still...I'm definitely not complaining. 
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this is gonna take a while to get used to, esp. for those who have finals right now =[
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Great patch. The biggest change is definitely the fungal growth not hitting air. I think they're doing that to benefit PvZ. Phoenixes are designed to be a counter to mutalisks. Phoenixes certainly are cost effective against mutas, but in the current state, phoenixes build too slowly to really combat mutas (being patched) and if a Protoss did manage to build up enough phoenixes to defend mutas, 1 fungal growth on his phoenixes would be game-ending. As long as fungal growth hits phoenixes, phoenixes aren't a long-term solution to mutas.
The fungal growth will completely change ZvZ, but I think it will be for the better. Mutas are basically cheese currently. As soon as infestors are out, any spending on mutas is essentially waste. You can rush mutas and hope to do damage before your opponent has AA, but if they have enough AA to protect themselves for 2 minutes, you've basically lost.
ZvT will change a little. It'll be harder to shut down banshees and drops without mutas. Fortunately, you want mutas in ZvT. Not that big of a deal.
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