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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 04 2010 03:07 GMT
#481
On December 04 2010 12:06 MrShank wrote:
lets protoss be more creative

We need Nal_ra the Dreamer Toss ASAP to lead way of creative Protoss!!!!
Terran
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
December 04 2010 03:07 GMT
#482
On December 04 2010 12:06 Vaporized wrote:
i think roach/corrupter will be a good build after this patch, which is a blast to play. upgraded roaches are amazing.

i now have another obstacle in my way when i think about making infestors. they have absurd unit attack prioity (first), and low life/no armor. and now they cant fungal air. they should buff neural parasite if they want to keep this change. they reduced the cost of observers, make NP castable while burrowed. back when i could abuse the burrow->NP bug i felt infestor's were more worthwhile an investment.

i think the change will effect zvz more then zvp. hydras without infestors lose to mutas with upgrades. muta wars it is then.


My games always tried to end up as Roach Corruptor into Broodlords in the first place. I think I'm pretty well off at the moment.
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ABAH
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia43 Posts
December 04 2010 03:07 GMT
#483
On December 04 2010 12:05 adeezy wrote:
going to practice some 1 base double stargate phoenix fun!!!


Your never going to win a game with phoenix. I doubt this changes the game all that much, just makes phoenix production mildly more viable.
reapers still do ~18 dmg per second against light ppl
timbo
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom70 Posts
December 04 2010 03:07 GMT
#484
Always makes me laugh when people start getting so upset and angry about a patch before even playing it.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
December 04 2010 03:07 GMT
#485
On December 04 2010 12:05 Barook wrote:
We'll see if VR really become a counter for Colossi, but I doubt it as they still have to be in Stalker range. We'll see.

I honestly feel like it's also related to thors in TvP, because since they removed the energy bars thors have been toughies to stop.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
December 04 2010 03:07 GMT
#486
What the fuck, if this is real then fungal not hitting air is so dumb...
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 03:09:01
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#487
On December 04 2010 12:07 ABAH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 12:05 adeezy wrote:
going to practice some 1 base double stargate phoenix fun!!!


Your never going to win a game with phoenix. I doubt this changes the game all that much, just makes phoenix production mildly more viable.


Umm.... theres usually 2 gates for a few zealots and stalkers....
If i'm correct nony popularize this build vs zerg in the beta.... so it can win the game.. (with some gateway units)
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#488
On December 04 2010 12:07 ABAH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 12:05 adeezy wrote:
going to practice some 1 base double stargate phoenix fun!!!


Your never going to win a game with phoenix. I doubt this changes the game all that much, just makes phoenix production mildly more viable.

Throw in 1-2 voidray may actually work vs an unprepared Zerg. You never know :D
Terran
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 03:08:48
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#489
On December 04 2010 12:07 Pervect wrote:
What the fuck, if this is real then fungal not hitting air is so dumb...


I think we've moved beyond the "is it real" stage by now. lol
It's downloading as we speak. I mean text.
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TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#490
Maybe instead of Fungal locking down flying units it can just slow them down, similar to ensnare in bw.

I'm ready for some chat channels though. Looking like a pretty cool patch, can't wait until we see the final notes!
Weaponx3
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada232 Posts
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#491
lets meet up in channel tl chat?

MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#492
On December 04 2010 12:07 timbo wrote:
Always makes me laugh when people start getting so upset and angry about a patch before even playing it.

Always makes me laugh when people act like they dont care just because their race got buffed.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 03:10:24
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#493
I'm always one pushing for DRAMATIC changes and this is pretty close, especially with the influx of air based builds in Korea. Can't wait to see how it pans out. Also of note: it's really hard to talk about balance so early and not look silly later on. Anyone remember when pure mech was the most OP thing ever in TvZ? You know what changed? Not a patch but a new technique in muta micro. Remember when Terran was nigh unbeatable yet still a zerg managed to win the BIGGEST TOURNAMENT IN THE WORLD? What happened? Player skill. So we really need to wait to see if anything is a problem at all.
On December 04 2010 12:08 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 12:07 timbo wrote:
Always makes me laugh when people start getting so upset and angry about a patch before even playing it.

Always makes me laugh when people act like they dont care just because their race got buffed.

Always makes me laugh when people think that they know everything about the metagame for the foreseeable future of the game right now.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#494
On December 04 2010 11:58 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
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On December 04 2010 11:56 Enervate wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:46 vyyye wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:44 whomybuddy wrote:
Pheonix can be counter by corruptors easy. It'll change ZvZ match up since mass muta is no longer afraid of fungal growth. I don't use infestor that much anyway so don't really care.

How the fuck do you counter phoenix with corruptors? You do realize phoenix are a lot faster than corruptors? No one cares about not being able to kill phoenix head on, that's easy and only a stupid protoss would engage that way.

The problem is there's no way to deal with phoenix harass properly. There are ways you can limit the damage but in the end, assuming equal skill and high level, a protoss phoenix harass will always be cost effective which is silly.

People saying spores... really? Do you even play the game? They'll damage the shields and then the phoenixes fly away. Would need a lot of bloody spores to deal with them, and that's quite an investment.


Sounds like another flying unit in ZvT, but I can't seem to recall the name. I do know that T had to build turrets to defend against them, though. But still their health regenerated, so any good player would just snipe stuff and leave.


You realize that it takes like 6 minutes for a mutalisk to regen all its health right?


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kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#495
On December 04 2010 12:00 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:58 vyyye wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:55 MythicalMage wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:49 StoLiVe wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:48 Ocedic wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:05 Fa1nT wrote:
Fungall Growth will NOT be added to the offical game. There is NO counter to phoenix and mutas without it. Any competent player can fly around forever avoiding hydra.


Actually spores counter phoenix just fine. For once Zerg have to deal with a mass of flying units with greater mobility and huge harassment power. Live with it.


you want us to put spore EVERY WHERE on the map ? this is not only the worker harras who make that broken
Just follow July Zerg and make corruptors. They shut down phoenixes reasonably well, and stop the transition into colossus.

In theory a full stack of corruptors can't kill a single phoenix. Speed, y'know. That's what annoys me at least, a good protoss harassing in the midgame had to be aware of infestors, thus actually play carefully when using them. Now he can just run in, kill a few drones and run out without a problem. I mean.. there should be some risk attached to every harassment strategy.

Maybe it is the way Phoenix meant to be. I dont know if you played BW or not, but Phoenix is a replacement for Corsair which give Protoss air superiority in early-mid game. Phoenix is a unit designed to make their oppoent annoyed so I dont think you can comment on that :D
EDIT: And there is of course some risks for Protoss to over produce Phoenix as well. If Protoss make to much Phoenix they will lack ground unit in which Zerg player can emphasize on


well i do agree that phoenix is like corsairs in BW, but i dont see how corsairs can harrass mineral line drones, or units.. basically this made P easier to rush to phoenix, and u see how a mass fleet of phoenix and stalkers could own almost all kind of Z's army composition..
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nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#496
A 3rd in base hatch seems to be what they want players to do now I suppose
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RoK Ot7Er
Profile Joined June 2010
United States219 Posts
December 04 2010 03:09 GMT
#497
I like everything about this patch except for the fungal change. Hopefully that gets cut before this goes live.
zomgad
Profile Joined October 2010
185 Posts
December 04 2010 03:09 GMT
#498
On December 04 2010 12:07 ChaosTriggeR wrote:
PTR is available for anyone who doesn't know yet, just start up sc2

not for eu players ;/
D1pstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States106 Posts
December 04 2010 03:09 GMT
#499
Here is a picture of the chat channels btw...

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vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
December 04 2010 03:09 GMT
#500
On December 04 2010 12:08 TheGrimace wrote:
Maybe instead of Fungal locking down flying units it can just slow them down, similar to ensnare in bw.

That is a really good suggestion. 20 phoenix shouldn't die because of one fungal, nor should they be invincible. Nice compromise.
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