Phoenix are faster. Suppose the phoenix needed help, but it was the unit not the counters that needed tweaking. It's still useless versus a two base terran, eh.

BookII

Australia400 Posts

December 04 2010 02:28 GMT

#242

mmm Observer is so cheap!

This'll be a crazy test period

Talin

Montenegro10532 Posts

December 04 2010 02:28 GMT

#243

YES, Protoss Air finally. Screw you Robo. Screw you big time. xD

And I was this close to switching, gonna give it another go now. Phoenixes <3

Fa1nT

United States3423 Posts

December 04 2010 02:29 GMT

#244

On December 04 2010 11:26 uurrnn wrote:

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Phoenixes and Mutas have the exact same speed I thought, it's just that Phoenixes can kite.

4.25 vs 3.75

protoss can kill 20 mutas with 7 pheonix if they can micro at all

Deleted User 3420

24492 Posts

December 04 2010 02:29 GMT

#245

to make it clear, im not exactly for the removing fungal ability to hit air. i think that's a bit extreme.

i do, however, think that fungal is OP vs air.

Asshat

593 Posts

December 04 2010 02:29 GMT

#246

Oh the irony of watching zergs complain about highly mobile light air harass.

MonsieurGrimm

Canada2441 Posts

December 04 2010 02:29 GMT

#247

Don't get too excited about chat channels quite yet, because they're going to be full of zergs complaining about the other parts of this patch.

Dali.

New Zealand689 Posts

December 04 2010 02:29 GMT

#248

For anyone wondering, mass muta + a handful of corrupters destroys mass phoneix if you micro round the corrupters range 6 and use them to tank. I need to try it more, but i have found it to be very solid. Mass lings and some banes can go well, and if you get 6 gas vs 4 from the Protoss, you should be able to win the air battle handily and gather a critical mass of mutas and lings to destroy stalkers.

ccHaZaRd

Canada1024 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#249

zergs are just gonna have to mix in some corruptors with there mutas

raf3776

United States1904 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#250

ZvZ just got owned.... Now mutas will be more effective and hydras will be more used. Actually Z vs Air just got owned

Sfydjklm

United States9218 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#251

On December 04 2010 11:20 travis wrote:

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what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill.

u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right?

Just like mutas, except
Faster
More hp
Bigger range
Smaller attack cooldown

No counter in zerg army

MonsieurGrimm

Canada2441 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#252

On December 04 2010 11:29 travis wrote:
to make it clear, im not exactly for the removing fungal ability to hit air. i think that's a bit extreme.

i do, however, think that fungal is OP vs air.

If they removed the damage, but not the immobilize, would that make it better for you?

LoLAdriankat

United States4307 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#253

If they replaced the Corruptor's corruption spell with concussive shells maybe things will be okay.

DoubleLariat

Canada190 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#254

On December 04 2010 11:27 pheer wrote:

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Yeah this is another missing element I haven't seen much talk about, but miss greatly. That and an option to allow ALLTALK on mic when in game, so parties of friends aren't forced to only mic talk with their allies.

Oh God I do not want this alltalk business.

The last thing I need is to hear 12 year olds call me random racist/sexist/homophobic insults.

MiNDtriX

Sweden146 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#255

On December 04 2010 11:26 MonsieurGrimm wrote:

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Have you heard of this thing called 2 rax?

yeah, ever heard of Fruitdealer?

Frunkis

United States146 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#256

Apparently zerg had too many anti-air options. I guess I'll just have to rely on my blink queens and stim hydras to chase down air units. Oh wait...

whoso

Germany523 Posts

December 04 2010 02:30 GMT

#257

as a terran i think the fungal growth nerf is pretty stupid. scv repair fix was neccessary because certain situations like massrepair thor push were just to lame, on the other hand a 4gate push (or any 1base toss push) might actually be pretty tough to handle now.
well,and customkeys is great news : )

AmstAff

Germany949 Posts

December 04 2010 02:31 GMT

#258

I still dont understand why they dont make the AA splash of the thor bigger. I mean during beta they lowered the thor damage and gave splash but then people figured out that we have a magic box in sc2 and that changed the thor buff in nothing else than a thor nerf cause it just makes less damage and wont make use of the splash. T seriously needs something against these frigging mutas. marines are the only good unit vs them and only in a straight up fight but if the zerg has some brain he will just harass you like crazy and marines will never catch them. I really dunno in sc1 you could stim way more often and mutas werent that fast like they are now and even the "stronger" turret doenst make that much of difference because you need like 4-5 to move out without fearing that he just kills them + your economy and goes back with ridiculous speed to defend vs your push. yeah and the viking is really a joke gets even owned by a phoenix rofl.