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On December 02 2010 13:35 Devolved wrote:
The original post is not very clear to begin with so banning all these people seems a bit harsh.
Anyway, one thing I am curious about is if BW's APM measured by APM Live or BWChart, which usually came up with similar results, differ in any way to how Blizzard's system measures APM. Does anyone know the answer to this?
The key difference with Blizzard's APM is that it is in in-game time, not real time. On the Faster setting in Starcraft 2, I believe 45 real seconds are equal to 1 in-game minute, and thus you have the discrepancy. While in the confines on SC2 it works, but comparing APM to older numbers from Brood War does not work.
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holy bantrap, that "?"... too good.
On December 02 2010 13:32 Igakusei wrote:
It should have been APS. As in "I have 3.14159265 APS."
Yes, that would have been much better.
And so my username on bnet is aPs ^_^. People never seem to know what it means.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
bw chart is aweosme.
bw chart also made apm and even the korean leagues use it (Well at least OSL does in the post game statistics! how awesome is that.)
grats jca
i remember being so amazed by bwchart when i was first introduced to it, and staring at all the progamer hotkey-ing pages.. like huge chunks of purple numbers everywhere.
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One of the cool things about BWChart that I really liked was the hotkey tracker. I never knew how often top level players actually used their hotkeys until looking at one of those screens and seeing it completely covered in numbers. Then I compared it to my own chart and saw a very small spattering of hotkeys. This actually improved my skill and speed because it made me focus on using hotkeys, but I was never able to match any of the top players' hotkey screens.
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United States17042 Posts
grats JCA. Everyone from starcraft should buy you a beer (I would) ^^
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This is going to be a legendary thread. Its like the Boston Massacre
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I barely played SC before SCII but even I used bwchart in my brief time with BW. Thanks JCA, TL love
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United States17042 Posts
On December 02 2010 12:14 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:02 NearPerfection wrote:
First off it's highly doubtful the OP is the original JCA. Check it.
can we give him his account back? He deserves it anyways.... >.>
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Good job TL, you have a huge influence on E-sports, and gaming products as a whole. (Damn this place has been around for a long time.)
Edit: Why have the part about the razor mice anyways?
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I'm tired of all these sc2 noobs that just come and use their limited experience to form their opinions.
I for one, used bw chart during my whole broodwar career ( measly 2 years) to monitor my progress, which never went past 100 apm. There is something about sc2 that allowed me to learn proper rts mechanics that when I returned to broodwar for fun after a few months of sc2 my apm had risen to 120. Really interesting that this whole trend came from team liquid, i always thought it was a korean thing... By the way using sc2gears to monitor my progress now, wonder if jca is involved in this project?
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so apm is only 8 years old? what?
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On December 02 2010 07:31 jca2 wrote:Hi guys, Just saw that ad inside SC 2 for the new Razer gears for Starcraft 2. Keyboard and mouse now have "APM Lighting". Basically, the lights on the keyboard or the mouse will change color depending on your live APM: APM LightingI read that ad with a bit of "nostalgie" going back 7 years in the past, right here, on TeamLiquid.net where APM was invented: Who invented APM?Maybe some of you did not know about TL back then, but yes, this is the kind of impact that the TL community has on the world of eSports. It got Blizzard to add APM inside SC 2 and Razer inside its devices. Not bad. A round for TL  Mod Edit: + Show Spoiler [READ] +I've decided to take mercy upon some of you and to be more up front about teaching this lesson. Before you post, read the entire OP, understand it, and if you have free time even read the next few pages to understand what's going on. Do not immediately regurgitate the first thing that comes to mind. This thread is about jca/bwcharts/TL member contributions, etc. It is not about Razer products. If you fail to read this warning, then you're totally fucked.
Love ya TL and Cheers JCA.
Just goes to show how influential a group of people with a similar passion can be.
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It's really cool that a member here was able to make such a big contribution to all the brood war players. I love bwchart from the bottom of my heart. Thanks a lot for your hard work, TC.
Even though I (and I guess pretty much everyone else) don't like to really gauge anything important from APM, there's just something about that little number that makes you feel better the higher it is.. 
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This is pretty cool. APM is just common starcraft talk now. Who would've guessed that it began years ago in a thread just like this.
What makes TL amazing is the community and i'm proud to be apart of it.
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The people buying the beer that JCA is toasting us all with should be Razor who is now making money off his brilliant program that encapsulated this idea =D
But alas, such is fate =(
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jca is awesome, simply put. All the mods just helped make this thread more entertaining, but this was definitely a little bit of knowledge that I did not know. As a relatively new TLer, thank you for showing us how awesome this place has been over the years.
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i remember hearing about that old apm chart by jca.
i never found it attractive because i was a fan of Grrr... whom if i recall correctly, thought it was just button mashing?
i could be totally off but i remember his apm was like what.. 130? 160?
and then i remember seeing a VOD of .... err.. the guy from denmark or norway or something..
there were 2 of them. sVEN and... slayer..? oh fuck i forgot
anyway
they had hands of lightening!!! and thats how i really got into "apm" when i was trying to see how fast they were actually going. how it helped; stuff like that
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I've gotta admit, I flat out started laughing as I read this thread and saw so many warnings and bans from people that clearly had no idea what bwchart or who jca is. He was our wizard before anyone even knew the name R1CH. Bwchart paved the way for so many other applications that benefited the SC community of old - I've seen them mentioned in this thread, too. I felt so nostalgic reading about them - especially the mention of RWA, also brought to us by JCA. Heh, RWA - replays with audio - software that allowed you to record your own commentary to a replay file and load it up in brood war to watch and listen as a regular replay. And this was looooong before YouTube - in truth, RWA was pretty much the start of English casting (c'mon, nobody took Korn's WCG casts seriously), and the first time many of us heard Manifesto's manly voice.
I hope the guys that were temp banned get around to coming back and re-reading this thread. This bit of Brood War history isn't something that should be missed out on. People take APM for granted nowadays... so I suppose it's not hard to believe that many thought this thread was a rhetorical/stupid question as to 'who invented apm' since it's been part of StarCraft for so many years. But in fact this thread was simply the creator of BWchart (and by extension APM) creating a thread that showed his satisfaction that his contributions from so many years ago still have such a big influence on the community.
This is a big thank you to JCA for everything he's done. I firmly believe that BWchart impacted the scene more than anyone that got banned in this thread could ever know. Heck, I'm pretty sure my very first post on TL was some query regarding BWchart.
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On December 02 2010 11:44 Zelniq wrote:
APM may have come a long ways, but average TL member's reading comprehension levels...
The reading comprehension levels in this thread make me never want to trust any strategy thread ever again.
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A big thank you to JCA for creating BWchart!
But imo, all the warnings/temp bans are a bit far, haha.
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