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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
December 02 2010 05:48 GMT
#161
I saw the thread title and immediately thought "that's easy, jca did."

bwchart's effect has been gargantuan.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
actionbastrd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Congo598 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 05:55:43
December 02 2010 05:49 GMT
#162
Speaking of the classic BW chart i used and loved, have you made one for sc2? Or do you feel blizzard covered everything in the new replay system or has it even been covered by another person?

Thanks for making starcraft more awesome than it already was! :D

Thank you poster below me
It rained today inside my head...
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
December 02 2010 05:51 GMT
#163
On December 02 2010 14:49 actionbastrd wrote:
Speaking of the classic BW chart i used and loved, have you made one for sc2? Or do you feel blizzard covered everything in the new replay system or has it even been covered by another person?

Thanks for making starcraft more awesome than it already was! :D


Search SC2Gears. That's the equivalent for SC2.
Sweet.
imbalanced.tv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States82 Posts
December 02 2010 05:52 GMT
#164
Really interesting post. Makes you think.
rigelq
Profile Joined May 2010
United States230 Posts
December 02 2010 06:04 GMT
#165
Wow! This is really cool to think that we, as a community, have effected Starcraft so much! I always thought that APM was either some Korean thing or it was a term created long before BW. Awesome post!
MusiK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States302 Posts
December 02 2010 06:10 GMT
#166
Lol at all the temp bans/warnings. But thnx for letting us know what the background was of the post was whoever that mod was. I was about to put a sly comment about razer as well. haha

But anyway, I think TL has a lot more power than we credit ourselves for. Yes, we think that every little bitch and whine we make is going unheard by Bliz, but obviously the world is watching!

We should learn from this and understand that we should become more professional. We will make an impact on this gaming community, so lets not be idiots. =D
BOOM!!! ~ Tasteless
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
December 02 2010 06:13 GMT
#167
On December 02 2010 13:27 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 13:18 iamke55 wrote:
On December 02 2010 13:06 Igakusei wrote:
On December 02 2010 13:00 iamke55 wrote:
Oh man... seeing all of these new users who don't know about who jca is, and trying to tell the inventor of apm that nobody invented it, makes me realize that the majority of teamliquid users today probably doesn't know that much about BW history. To think, all of these people missed the epicness the first day PenguinPlug was released!


I don't think I was active then, but I'm going to guess that a ton of people got caught maphacking?


The way it "caught" people wasn't like more modern anti-hack programs though. The most popular map hack of the day had a hidden command that caused the user to un-ally himself, which the creator put in so that people wouldn't use his own hack against him. The guy who created PenguinPlug somehow figured out a way to activate that command, so teamliquid users that day gathered many screenshots of maphackers saying things like "OMG my units are killing each other! wtf you're hacking!" and stuff like that.

Also of note was the way BWChart was used to catch automining/MBS/multi-command cheats (which were standard for a lot of map hackers.) When you opened up a replay, you could see a timestamp for every single action down to the millisecond, so the people cheating had a record of simultaneously sending all their workers to mine within 5ms.

There's a handful of strategy forum posts where someone would post their replays and then get caught. Pretty hilarious stuff.

adeezy, he meant that LaptopLegacy was the first to actually say 'apm.' Everyone was saying stuff like 'action/min' before that.


Thank you for answering my question on 2nd page that explains a lot as I was confused by the OP

On December 02 2010 14:38 FrostOtter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 11:44 Zelniq wrote:
APM may have come a long ways, but average TL member's reading comprehension levels...

The reading comprehension levels in this thread make me never want to trust any strategy thread ever again.



LoL you should already be holding everything to a microscope...

BTW i know the OP is an icon of the community (as he should be) but I think he should get temp banned too! I mean he did make that pretty confusing and unclear (and yes I knew about links as well)

but best thread I have been a part of so far lol
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 02 2010 06:16 GMT
#168
For those who don't know, BwChart was also used to find progamer smurf accounts. One poster, roMAD, was particularly good at recognizing progamer hotkey patterns in BWchart and would regularly identify progamers for high level players who played them on iccup.

Search "iccup who is who" in TL to see him at work.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4520 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 06:17:11
December 02 2010 06:16 GMT
#169
Jca, you're awesome.
Team Liquid
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
December 02 2010 06:17 GMT
#170
On December 02 2010 15:16 jalstar wrote:
For those who don't know, BwChart was also used to find progamer smurf accounts.


like banana.milk?

good times
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 06:25:35
December 02 2010 06:25 GMT
#171
wow some admin went on a warning spree in this thread.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
December 02 2010 06:32 GMT
#172
Haha no RoMAD in here?

Thanks jca!
uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 06:45:56
December 02 2010 06:36 GMT
#173
So if jca invented APM, then how long did it take for the Korean Pro scene to use it in their analysis of the players?
Gonzodamus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States273 Posts
December 02 2010 06:41 GMT
#174
Well that's absolutely fascinating. I had no idea the site was so influential
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 02 2010 06:53 GMT
#175
On December 02 2010 15:36 uglymoose89 wrote:
So if jca invented APM, then how long did it take for the Korean Pro scene to use it in their analysis of the players?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=46915

Sometime in 2006, so about 3 years.
Prophecy3
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada223 Posts
December 02 2010 06:55 GMT
#176
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 02 2010 13:22 Nexic wrote:
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On December 02 2010 13:11 Prophecy3 wrote:
Didn't know that APM was inveted on TL.. Perhaps OP would be kind enough to link to the original thread for us History buffs that came to the TL fold post BW?


Side Note:

The reading comprehension seems to only extend to the first thing that strikes a cord.. rofl @ reds. Quality stuff.
I'm guessing you just didn't notice, but the underlined text in the OP is a link



No I didn't realize that actually, thank you.
Ignorance is Bliss? Indifferance is Atrocity.
AidanS
Profile Joined September 2010
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 07:00:07
December 02 2010 06:58 GMT
#177
The warnings/bannings for commenting on the usefulness of the product thrown in seem a bit harsh.

It's nice to see the impact generated from members posting here but surely a comment on the eventual results (such as the glowy apm keyboard) has a place too along with the (merited) pride/backslapping and nostalgia?

With that said it is deeply impressive to a fan of the game how people who have posted here have shaped what I play now with their past contributions.

Perhaps it could open a wider discussion on whether APM as a measure was a hurtful thing to strategy gaming?

Certainly I had no desire to even try to play SCBW when I heard the APM necessary to even play with basic competence. Im sure a lot of other people who otherwise enjoy strategy games were put off trying RTS by the intimidation factor that measure brought.

SC2 has moved in the direction where you can play the game easily with non superhuman handspeed making APM a much less relevant measure.

Seems a bit strange that Blizzard/accessory makers are jumping on the APM train when it isn't what it used to be in importance to the majority of people playing the current SC compared to the old SC. Obviously its still great for e-sports since any edge is an edge but that seems like a super small market for a keyboard.
Khanz
Profile Joined April 2010
France214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 14:11:03
December 02 2010 07:24 GMT
#178


Damn i love all these warnings, no sarcasm here, but a lot of people just do not read the OP unfortunately.

I really like the fact APM was invented here on TL and all the following in the razer marketing to use the term APM as strong slogan.

Don't worry, zombies eat brains. You're safe
kusu
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden440 Posts
December 02 2010 07:53 GMT
#179
I seriously didn't know that some awesome guy (JCA) "invented" APM, HERE on TL!
That is just super... no wait... MEGA-AWESOME!

TL, or more importantly JCA, i'm impressed.
<3
Expa bör man annars dör man! A game withouth me, is a game not worth winning!
slip.
Profile Joined July 2010
United States50 Posts
December 02 2010 09:10 GMT
#180
That old thread about APM has some really cool posts....makes me remember the BW days before SC2 even seemed like it was ever going to happen.



BW FOREVER!!!
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