EPTSadly, with wgtour gone there doesn't seem to be any links that I can share with the first TLTour results that will help put this in context.
Who 'invented' APM - Page 7
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Shakuras1095 Posts
Sadly, with wgtour gone there doesn't seem to be any links that I can share with the first TLTour results that will help put this in context. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
On December 02 2010 12:38 Dubz wrote: if your going to warn/temp ban literally half the people who post in this topic you should probably just close the thread, as if the OP is gonna get any real concrete answer as to who "invented" apm? User was temp banned for this post. Oh my god this has to be the best post of the whole thread so far! As for apm in general, i always assumed it was the koreans who passed it over, had no idea we as a community came up with the notion :o. | ||
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
On December 02 2010 13:00 iamke55 wrote: Oh man... seeing all of these new users who don't know about who jca is, and trying to tell the inventor of apm that nobody invented it, makes me realize that the majority of teamliquid users today probably doesn't know that much about BW history. To think, all of these people missed the epicness the first day PenguinPlug was released! I don't think I was active then, but I'm going to guess that a ton of people got caught maphacking? | ||
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
On to the topic, yeah reading that original thread that was made 8 years ago was pretty fun actually to see what people were calling APM back in the day "Act/min" lol | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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Prophecy3
Canada223 Posts
Side Note: The reading comprehension seems to only extend to the first thing that strikes a cord.. rofl @ reds. Quality stuff. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On December 02 2010 13:06 Igakusei wrote: I don't think I was active then, but I'm going to guess that a ton of people got caught maphacking? The way it "caught" people wasn't like more modern anti-hack programs though. The most popular map hack of the day had a hidden command that caused the user to un-ally himself, which the creator put in so that people wouldn't use his own hack against him. The guy who created PenguinPlug somehow figured out a way to activate that command, so teamliquid users that day gathered many screenshots of maphackers saying things like "OMG my units are killing each other! wtf you're hacking!" and stuff like that. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
As someone who just got into Starcraft because of Starcraft 2, it's always nice to see Teamliquid's history and influence in e sports culture (which is huge... I mean just look at how John specifically reacts to the teamliquid forum accusations and concerns). I'm confused though... I really read through the JCA thread (this one), the one he linked to, and the link inside that one. Other people credit JCA, but in JCA's own thread he credits laptoplegacy? | ||
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Nexic
United States729 Posts
On December 02 2010 13:11 Prophecy3 wrote: I'm guessing you just didn't notice, but the underlined text in the OP is a linkDidn't know that APM was inveted on TL.. Perhaps OP would be kind enough to link to the original thread for us History buffs that came to the TL fold post BW? Side Note: The reading comprehension seems to only extend to the first thing that strikes a cord.. rofl @ reds. Quality stuff. | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
Has TL come up with anything else that actually later got added into a game, like the APM counter in SC2? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 02 2010 13:18 iamke55 wrote: The way it "caught" people wasn't like more modern anti-hack programs though. The most popular map hack of the day had a hidden command that caused the user to un-ally himself, which the creator put in so that people wouldn't use his own hack against him. The guy who created PenguinPlug somehow figured out a way to activate that command, so teamliquid users that day gathered many screenshots of maphackers saying things like "OMG my units are killing each other! wtf you're hacking!" and stuff like that. Also of note was the way BWChart was used to catch automining/MBS/multi-command cheats (which were standard for a lot of map hackers.) When you opened up a replay, you could see a timestamp for every single action down to the millisecond, so the people cheating had a record of simultaneously sending all their workers to mine within 5ms. There's a handful of strategy forum posts where someone would post their replays and then get caught. Pretty hilarious stuff. adeezy, he meant that LaptopLegacy was the first to actually say 'apm.' Everyone was saying stuff like 'action/min' before that. | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
Now we just have to discover that the term "balance" was coined here as well and all is explained! | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
This community needs a special place for somebody like JCA who totally changed the scene not only here but in Korea as well. In fact, he's probably changed it forever. | ||
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
Yes, that would have been much better. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
Anyway, one thing I am curious about is if BW's APM measured by APM Live or BWChart, which usually came up with similar results, differ in any way to how Blizzard's system measures APM. Does anyone know the answer to this? | ||
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slam
United States923 Posts
On December 02 2010 13:32 Igakusei wrote: It should have been APS. As in "I have 3.14159265 APS." Yes, that would have been much better. pie? | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On December 02 2010 13:35 Devolved wrote: The original post is not very clear to begin with so banning all these people seems a bit harsh. Anyway, one thing I am curious about is if BW's APM measured by APM Live or BWChart, which usually came up with similar results, differ in any way to how Blizzard's system measures APM. Does anyone know the answer to this? Blizzards system uses game time to calculate apm, but game time is not the same as real time. Basically the calculation is the same, but sc2 is telling you actions per 40 seconds, not actions per minute. | ||
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