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LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
December 02 2010 03:58 GMT
#121
JCA! I think it is about time to track down ezprey and have a rematch.

Sadly, with wgtour gone there doesn't seem to be any links that I can share with the first TLTour results that will help put this in context.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
December 02 2010 04:00 GMT
#122
Oh man... seeing all of these new users who don't know about who jca is, and trying to tell the inventor of apm that nobody invented it, makes me realize that the majority of teamliquid users today probably doesn't know that much about BW history. To think, all of these people missed the epicness the first day PenguinPlug was released!
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
December 02 2010 04:03 GMT
#123
On December 02 2010 12:38 Dubz wrote:
if your going to warn/temp ban literally half the people who post in this topic you should probably just close the thread, as if the OP is gonna get any real concrete answer as to who "invented" apm?

User was temp banned for this post.

Oh my god this has to be the best post of the whole thread so far!

As for apm in general, i always assumed it was the koreans who passed it over, had no idea we as a community came up with the notion :o.
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Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
December 02 2010 04:06 GMT
#124
On December 02 2010 13:00 iamke55 wrote:
Oh man... seeing all of these new users who don't know about who jca is, and trying to tell the inventor of apm that nobody invented it, makes me realize that the majority of teamliquid users today probably doesn't know that much about BW history. To think, all of these people missed the epicness the first day PenguinPlug was released!


I don't think I was active then, but I'm going to guess that a ton of people got caught maphacking?
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
December 02 2010 04:09 GMT
#125
JCA has created a ban trap lol

On to the topic, yeah reading that original thread that was made 8 years ago was pretty fun actually to see what people were calling APM back in the day "Act/min" lol
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DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
December 02 2010 04:10 GMT
#126
Wow I had no clue TL(jca) invented APM. AMAZING! Also it's hilarious looking at those old threads and seeing people say, "does this work for windows 98?".
Prophecy3
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada223 Posts
December 02 2010 04:11 GMT
#127
Didn't know that APM was inveted on TL.. Perhaps OP would be kind enough to link to the original thread for us History buffs that came to the TL fold post BW?


Side Note:

The reading comprehension seems to only extend to the first thing that strikes a cord.. rofl @ reds. Quality stuff.
Ignorance is Bliss? Indifferance is Atrocity.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
December 02 2010 04:18 GMT
#128
On December 02 2010 13:06 Igakusei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 13:00 iamke55 wrote:
Oh man... seeing all of these new users who don't know about who jca is, and trying to tell the inventor of apm that nobody invented it, makes me realize that the majority of teamliquid users today probably doesn't know that much about BW history. To think, all of these people missed the epicness the first day PenguinPlug was released!


I don't think I was active then, but I'm going to guess that a ton of people got caught maphacking?


The way it "caught" people wasn't like more modern anti-hack programs though. The most popular map hack of the day had a hidden command that caused the user to un-ally himself, which the creator put in so that people wouldn't use his own hack against him. The guy who created PenguinPlug somehow figured out a way to activate that command, so teamliquid users that day gathered many screenshots of maphackers saying things like "OMG my units are killing each other! wtf you're hacking!" and stuff like that.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 04:23:35
December 02 2010 04:18 GMT
#129
Oh gosh who would've guessed a (seemingly) rhetorical question wouldve ensued such a topic... anyways...
As someone who just got into Starcraft because of Starcraft 2, it's always nice to see Teamliquid's history and influence in e sports culture (which is huge... I mean just look at how John specifically reacts to the teamliquid forum accusations and concerns). I'm confused though... I really read through the JCA thread (this one), the one he linked to, and the link inside that one. Other people credit JCA, but in JCA's own thread he credits laptoplegacy?
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
December 02 2010 04:22 GMT
#130
On December 02 2010 13:11 Prophecy3 wrote:
Didn't know that APM was inveted on TL.. Perhaps OP would be kind enough to link to the original thread for us History buffs that came to the TL fold post BW?


Side Note:

The reading comprehension seems to only extend to the first thing that strikes a cord.. rofl @ reds. Quality stuff.
I'm guessing you just didn't notice, but the underlined text in the OP is a link
Kishkumen
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States650 Posts
December 02 2010 04:24 GMT
#131
Wow, that's pretty cool that APM originated from TL. Reading those old threads was really informative. It was cool to see a discussion of BW APM where 300 APM was an insane amount. It also makes me wonder if you could send a current BW B-teamer back in time to 2003 if they'd become one of the best players in the world because of their modern mechanics. I'm not sure if they'd be better than someone like NaDa, but it would still be a really interesting match: 2003 NaDa vs. 2010 B-Teamer.
Weird, last time I checked the UN said you need to have at least 200 APM and be rainbow league to be called human. —Liquid`TLO
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 02 2010 04:25 GMT
#132
Wow, I had no idea that it was a TL user who came up with the entire concept of APM. I thought it was just... you know, a thing that naturally came to be, I guess.

Has TL come up with anything else that actually later got added into a game, like the APM counter in SC2?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 04:29:09
December 02 2010 04:27 GMT
#133
On December 02 2010 13:18 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 13:06 Igakusei wrote:
On December 02 2010 13:00 iamke55 wrote:
Oh man... seeing all of these new users who don't know about who jca is, and trying to tell the inventor of apm that nobody invented it, makes me realize that the majority of teamliquid users today probably doesn't know that much about BW history. To think, all of these people missed the epicness the first day PenguinPlug was released!


I don't think I was active then, but I'm going to guess that a ton of people got caught maphacking?


The way it "caught" people wasn't like more modern anti-hack programs though. The most popular map hack of the day had a hidden command that caused the user to un-ally himself, which the creator put in so that people wouldn't use his own hack against him. The guy who created PenguinPlug somehow figured out a way to activate that command, so teamliquid users that day gathered many screenshots of maphackers saying things like "OMG my units are killing each other! wtf you're hacking!" and stuff like that.

Also of note was the way BWChart was used to catch automining/MBS/multi-command cheats (which were standard for a lot of map hackers.) When you opened up a replay, you could see a timestamp for every single action down to the millisecond, so the people cheating had a record of simultaneously sending all their workers to mine within 5ms.

There's a handful of strategy forum posts where someone would post their replays and then get caught. Pretty hilarious stuff.

adeezy, he meant that LaptopLegacy was the first to actually say 'apm.' Everyone was saying stuff like 'action/min' before that.
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schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
December 02 2010 04:32 GMT
#134
That's cool, didn't know that. Kind of deserve all the threads about it then though :o)

Now we just have to discover that the term "balance" was coined here as well and all is explained!
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
December 02 2010 04:32 GMT
#135
I wish I could have been here for the ban-fest. Geez, to tell the guy who invented APM that nobody invented it and that nobody knows is just ridiculous after all those links in the OP.

This community needs a special place for somebody like JCA who totally changed the scene not only here but in Korea as well. In fact, he's probably changed it forever.
Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
December 02 2010 04:32 GMT
#136
It should have been APS. As in "I have 3.14159265 APS."

Yes, that would have been much better.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
December 02 2010 04:34 GMT
#137
Why in the name of all that is holy does JCA not have a star?
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
December 02 2010 04:35 GMT
#138
The original post is not very clear to begin with so banning all these people seems a bit harsh.

Anyway, one thing I am curious about is if BW's APM measured by APM Live or BWChart, which usually came up with similar results, differ in any way to how Blizzard's system measures APM. Does anyone know the answer to this?
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slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
December 02 2010 04:35 GMT
#139
On December 02 2010 13:32 Igakusei wrote:
It should have been APS. As in "I have 3.14159265 APS."

Yes, that would have been much better.

pie?
I get it.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
December 02 2010 04:37 GMT
#140
On December 02 2010 13:35 Devolved wrote:
The original post is not very clear to begin with so banning all these people seems a bit harsh.

Anyway, one thing I am curious about is if BW's APM measured by APM Live or BWChart, which usually came up with similar results, differ in any way to how Blizzard's system measures APM. Does anyone know the answer to this?

Blizzards system uses game time to calculate apm, but game time is not the same as real time. Basically the calculation is the same, but sc2 is telling you actions per 40 seconds, not actions per minute.
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