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On December 02 2010 11:35 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 11:22 W.O.L.F.Y. wrote:
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What i have to say: Asking "Who invented APM" is similiar to asking "who invented mph", or "who invented gravity"...you , dear thread starter would obviously say "oohhh i know that, that was Newton!!". But i say, no one did, it was there the whole time, Newton just gave it a name. Its the same with APM, except that there is no official "namegiver" to apm afaik.
... Pretty sure the guy who created bwchart, the first ever program to measure and record actions per minute and call it APM, invented APM. That guy is this thread creator. If you (and others) read the OP more carefully there wouldn't be so many warnings and bans.
Ok...youre right somehow i really misread the OP...maybe i was too much focused and used to people asking questions when they start a topic, that i halucinated a question out of his text...So i will going to work on my reading skills.
Big thx to the thread starter, you did something revolutionary, cheers.
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On December 02 2010 07:31 jca2 wrote:Hi guys, Just saw that ad inside SC 2 for the new Razer gears for Starcraft 2. Keyboard and mouse now have "APM Lighting". Basically, the lights on the keyboard or the mouse will change color depending on your live APM: APM LightingI read that ad with a bit of "nostalgie" going back 7 years in the past, right here, on TeamLiquid.net where APM was invented: Who invented APM?Maybe some of you did not know about TL back then, but yes, this is the kind of impact that the TL community has on the world of eSports. It got Blizzard to add APM inside SC 2 and Razer inside its devices. Not bad. A round for TL  Mod Edit: + Show Spoiler [READ] +I've decided to take mercy upon some of you and to be more up front about teaching this lesson. Before you post, read the entire OP, understand it, and if you have free time even read the next few pages to understand what's going on. Do not immediately regurgitate the first thing that comes to mind. This thread is about jca/bwcharts/TL member contributions, etc. It is not about Razer products. If you fail to read this warning, then you're totally fucked.
wouw...i can remember parts of the story back then now that i read it again...
cool, that a thing which was invented (actually just the possibility to display and compare it) here on by a member of tl.net, became a standard component for one the biggest esports titles these days and a significant indicator of certain abilities for quite a lot of other games...AND based on this there's now even seperate technology available for this...
quite impressive i gotta admit! you should've made some patents on this 
gz anyway
i'm wondering if there's a next step...
or if there will be even found a new interesting indicator...
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This thread can potentially be on its way to be in the TL hall of fame. TL needs a reading comprehension test when people register IMO.
Razer is running the term APM for those who don't know whats up
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Didn't the guy who made BWChart invented APM?
How did TL invent it?
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On December 02 2010 12:08 xMiragex wrote:
This thread can potentially be on its way to be in the TL hall of fame. TL needs a reading comprehension test when people register IMO.
Razer is running the term APM for those who don't know whats up
TL hwaiting! I had no idea jca and TL were so amazing. To think, it all started here!
I think the reading comprehension would be amazing. It would raise the standards of our community even more, and might be used by mods as a preemptive, loose judging mechanic as to how good of posters some of the new members are.
Didn't the guy who made BWChart invented APM?
How did TL invent it?
My understanding is that jca is a TL member, so TL didn't invent it per se, but APM did sort of come "from" TL...just not as a collaborative effort...I guess?
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So JCA was the originator of the bwcharts which is what current apm is based off of? Was this the first instance of recording actions in some time frame or were there others before his? I ask because I am only curious, and welcome back JCA (even though I wasn't around then).
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looking at the 1st 2 pages, so much red ...........
the red LED from the mouse went there
in the posts
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On December 02 2010 12:11 Highways wrote:
Didn't the guy who made BWChart invented APM?
How did TL invent it?
the guy who invented BWchart is jca I believe, also this thread is cool for so many reasons
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United States22883 Posts
On December 02 2010 12:02 NearPerfection wrote:
First off it's highly doubtful the OP is the original JCA. Check it.
Secondly it's pretty hilarious that a bunch of TL admin/mods feel so insecure that they need to red ink everyone's post. Somehow i don't see the connection between the ability to red ink and reading comprehension, overall knowledge, intelligence etc.
Yeah you might be better than average, but there are definitely many people much better than average. Yeah I know how offending this is to read if this so happens to be related to your general thought processes. And statistically speaking there are most certainly enough mods on here that at least one reading this will lay down you know what for taking the offense to his/her ego. Not a bunch, just me and it's got nothing to do with my ego . In fact, I've been worried the whole time about being too harsh which is why I started with warnings, then made a post telling people to read and warning them about future punishment, renamed the thread to make it more clear and then added an extra warning in the OP so that it would be dead obvious who skipped over it.
My apologies to jca for derailing the thread a bit, but there's a problem where people post before reading and a little system shock is often the best way to fix it. For the record, I had no idea where APM came from and I had forgotten who jca was before I came into the thread. I simply read the OP, checked out his links and understood. That's what everyone should do. Even if you didn't play BW, you should check out the links to see how pivotal BWCharts and jca's contributions were. Stuff like BWCharts, RWA and ChaosLauncher seem pretty ghetto today, but they came from this community and had a huge impact on all of BW, even in Korea.
EDIT: Almost forgot about superpenguin and PenguinPlug. :> Oh my god, you can read the chat in replays???
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Pretty cool fact, I always just assumed APM was arbitrary stat that was somehow adopted like most internet acronyms. Cool to know it was pretty much concieved on this website.
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Oh my god. o.o.
But thanks for pointing this out JCA, think its really cool ^^.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
On December 02 2010 11:11 whitelynx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 11:10 ZomgTossRush wrote:
I am not sure what the OP is trying to ask. Are you asking what actions per minute is? If so, im not sure who first coined the term back in sc1 days. It's a fairly common term, like words per minute or beats per minute. It's just a form of measurement. And don't forget sc2 apm is actually misleading due to the speed settings, if i recall sc2 apm is 40% faster than the actually physical time of minute. Ex: 100 sc2 "apm" is really 140 actions per minute.
He asked absolutely nothing.
he didnt ask, he respond the question about apm.
But i have other question to admins, i see many ppl banned
can some admin explain me why those ppl are banned?
what i mean is they are talking about the subject, maybe not real answers but they are discusting the topic, and some others have talk things correctly to me and they get banned
some times im afraid to talk because i think i will get in the same banwagon 
sorry for my english my natural language is spanish.
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JCA deserves a medal ahahaha. Even people I talk to at school who play warcraft or what have you understand the concept of APM; it's quite amazing how big it's become.
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Saying "lol so much warnings and bannings and red text in this thread" is no better than the situation in the first page.
The idea of having high APM came from Korean players. When Starcraft was new, it was normal to click a lot and barely use any hotkeys. It quickly caught on when people realized how insane and all-over-the-place their play was, then I guess TL started wondering what the actual number of these players's APM was and thus many APM measuring programs were born.
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On December 02 2010 12:08 xMiragex wrote:
This thread can potentially be on its way to be in the TL hall of fame. TL needs a reading comprehension test when people register IMO.
Razer is running the term APM for those who don't know whats up
This reminded me of this:
+ Show Spoiler [xkcd] +
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if your going to warn/temp ban literally half the people who post in this topic you should probably just close the thread, as if the OP is gonna get any real concrete answer as to who "invented" apm?
User was temp banned for this post.
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So we trace back the footsteps and find the first usage of the term "APM" to be in TeamLiquid itself.
Of course, Jca is to be credited for coining the term and spreading it throughout the global. Good job, Jca. You literally changed the world, and left a footprint on it that will outlast all of us here.
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I was fucking surprised and taken back twice when I scrolled down and saw all the warnings lmao. Some of the bans were just hilarious.
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Braavos36379 Posts
On December 02 2010 12:02 NearPerfection wrote:
First off it's highly doubtful the OP is the original JCA. Secondly it's pretty hilarious that a bunch of TL admin/mods feel so insecure that they need to red ink everyone's post. Somehow i don't see the connection between the ability to red ink and reading comprehension, overall knowledge, intelligence etc.
Yeah you might be better than average, but there are definitely many people much better than average. Yeah I know how offending this is to read if this so happens to be related to your general thought processes. And statistically speaking there are most certainly enough mods on here that at least one reading this will lay down you know what for taking the offense to his/her ego.
Good luck on your next account.
Edit: Your previous account has like half a dozen bans and warnings too, thanks for drawing attention to yourself so nicely with this post 
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Bookmarking this thread because I'm 99.9% positive that if I come back here in a year the entire first two pages will be nuke icons.
Amazing how much influence something seemingly small can have in the gaming community, huh? Cheers to TL and JCA for paving the way!
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To the ban list!
The reasons for all those bans will be awesome!
On an actual note, i had no clue who invented APM until this thread, grats and thank you for the term.
<3<3<3
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