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Getting Over SC2 1v1 Anxiety?

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sNatch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
November 30 2010 08:05 GMT
#1
Hey guys,

I did a quick search on this and didn't see anything in the general forum about it.

I don't understand what's wrong, but I get the worst anxiety attacks when playing 1v1s in SC2. I'm generally not an anxious person in real life, or when I play team games, but 1v1s seem to get to me. Every time I play, I get pretty shaky and have the worst butterflies in my stomach—it's almost to the point where it's not enjoyable to play. Even after I win a game, I spend like 2 hours just watching the replay over and over; analyzing my opponents match history (I swear I'm not a stalker), and basically looking at all the games they've played; and not playing another game.

I think it might have to do with the ladder system. I played BW and War3 (when they had the old ladder system) and never had any problems. I feel like that was because I was able to maintain over an 80% win rate in War3 though.

I wouldn't call myself a terrible player (Diamond 1v1, ~1500 pt, 74-37 record), and I don't even really mind losing...I'm not sure what it is.

I found a blog that talks about the Zero Second Rule and Destroying Logical Blocks, but it's easier said than done imo. I just can't bring myself to do it.

Should I just stay away from 1v1s? Or do you guys have any tips?

Thanks!
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/366499/1/GiR/
blackodd
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden451 Posts
November 30 2010 08:11 GMT
#2
It's because SC2 is the most challenging game ever created, mentally and mechanically. :p

It's just another person at the other end. You can't take responsibility for his mindset, but you can for your own. Ask yourself, why do you play? To spend time, to win, to get better, to have fun?
Many plays to win for some reason. That's the ultimate goal, a better way would be to make little goals instead of going for the ultimate every time. Such as: not getting supply blocked this time, or surviving for 10 minutes.
For I am the Queen of Blades. And none shall ever dispute my rule, again...
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
November 30 2010 08:14 GMT
#3
Yeah a lot of people get it; I had it in bw, the only real cure I found was just to play tonnes and you get over it eventually. Sucky advice, I know, having to play over and over to decrease the anxiety, but that's what I've found to work.
SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
November 30 2010 08:16 GMT
#4
dude are we like twins or someshit?? i have the exact same problem, in the beta i loved playing 1v1's and i got into platinum rank 3 (i think platinum was highest then..) and i didn't care because there was a reset..now the official release i havent even done ONE 1v1 quick match and unranked atm...i also do alot of 1v1 custom games on lost temple tho, and they dont get me as bad.

I start shaking and it really pisses me off, i think for me its the fact that its "ranked" and its pretty much "permanent" on my profile that sets it off...but yeah, feels bad man. ily OP
kuz pro
norterrible
Profile Joined October 2009
United States618 Posts
November 30 2010 08:17 GMT
#5
One of the biggest helps for me is that if I lose a lot I know the match making system will match me against weaker opponents. Really though, the best thing for your mental state is to just play over and over. Eventually you realize it's just a game like any other and the stress fades. Don't let yourself worry about ranks or wins, just try to survive as long as you can and win the games you can. 50% of the people are losing at any given time so don't let losses bring you down.
kekeke
sl0w
Profile Joined July 2010
United States447 Posts
November 30 2010 08:18 GMT
#6
I swear there is a thread about something like this every week, dunno why your search didn't find anything.

But anyway, a lot of it has to do with the fact that you just haven't played a lot of games. Once you play hundreds and hundreds of ladder games, you'll click the 'find match' button without thinking twice about it.
Erectum
Profile Joined August 2010
France194 Posts
November 30 2010 08:18 GMT
#7
I thinlk this kind of fear will deseapear a little when Blizz will annonce ladder season with reset
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
November 30 2010 08:19 GMT
#8
I play to get a lot better! You should fine ur "motivation" and ask yourself why u play this game? first of all.
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
Nairul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States262 Posts
November 30 2010 08:19 GMT
#9
On November 30 2010 17:16 SpaceFighting wrote:
dude are we like twins or someshit?? i have the exact same problem, in the beta i loved playing 1v1's and i got into platinum rank 3 (i think platinum was highest then..) and i didn't care because there was a reset..now the official release i havent even done ONE 1v1 quick match and unranked atm...i also do alot of 1v1 custom games on lost temple tho, and they dont get me as bad.

I start shaking and it really pisses me off, i think for me its the fact that its "ranked" and its pretty much "permanent" on my profile that sets it off...but yeah, feels bad man. ily OP


The fact that you remember your exact rank in beta says it all.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
November 30 2010 08:19 GMT
#10
i had the exact same issue. then i just forced myself to hit the search gaME button RIGHT after i finished my last game, and just ladder hard and get games in. i realized my issue with it was i was just scared to ruin my record but i got over it after i realized it doesnt matter
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
November 30 2010 08:22 GMT
#11
I wouldn't say I get anxious to the point of what you do - my reason for hestitatin in que'ing is that I'm always afraid I'm going to do something dumb and just get owned. I really enjoy playing the game though but I don't know. When I'm in a good mood I'll just queue and queue and queue, but I'm working my way up from lower leagues having 0 experience with the game so I'm always afraid I'm going to hit a wall at some stage (hasn't happened so far - which is making it harder to queue as I get further along lol)
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smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 08:31:02
November 30 2010 08:23 GMT
#12
play the game and forget that there are ranks and points.
When I havent played for a few days. I am somewhat anxious to play since I know I will get owned the for a few games. However when I click the search game button I stop caring :D.
Theres no real advice just play and stop whining.
There are many more people who are worse than you and they still play. .....

I really wonder how people are able to coup with live when they are already afraid to play a stupid online game.

Dont think just do it (play).


PS: If you are afraid to lose your record you dont deserve your record anyways. So are you gonna uninstall the game after ladder reset ?.

PPS: What did you buy the game for in the first place ? If you cant handle a little competition in a video game I will gladly take your account.
Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
Kojaimea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom277 Posts
November 30 2010 08:24 GMT
#13
Just hit the button and distract yourself while its matching so you don't overthink it. Look through your division, check out your achievements, what you're aiming for, where you're at etc. This tends to relax me going into game.
The riverbed, dried-up, half full of leaves. Us, listening to a river in the trees.
sNatch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
November 30 2010 08:25 GMT
#14
I think I might be scared of ruining my record as well. But it doesn't make any sense because your win ratio really doesn't matter, your MMR does. And the ladder is getting reset anyways.

I wonder what if Blizzard decided to make MMR public, actually that might make my problem even worse.

I almost wish that when I logged into B.net it would automatically search 1v1 so I didn't have the option. Someone make me a macro! lol
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/366499/1/GiR/
Animostas
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States568 Posts
November 30 2010 08:25 GMT
#15
Something Day9 said that really worked for me is to just say out loud, "I am fucking TERRIFIED of laddering." and then just hitting the Find Match button.
Sniffy
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia290 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 08:27:39
November 30 2010 08:25 GMT
#16
What fixed this for me was playing through the worst losing streak ever. I used to stop when I started losing but I decided to play through an entire day when it happened recently. I must have lost about 20 out of 25 games that day but ever since then I stopped caring and just started playing. I dropped from 2000 to 1800 or something.

Ever since I stopped caring about losing I have done really well. Now I'm at 2150, and playing much better than I was before I went on the streak. I can queue for games even if I know I'm tired and probably won't win and that's a good thing, because I think with SC2 you just need to play a whole lot more than anything.
sNatch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
November 30 2010 08:26 GMT
#17
On November 30 2010 17:24 Kojaimea wrote:
Just hit the button and distract yourself while its matching so you don't overthink it. Look through your division, check out your achievements, what you're aiming for, where you're at etc. This tends to relax me going into game.


That actually sounds like a good idea, I'll have to try that. Thanks.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/366499/1/GiR/
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
November 30 2010 08:28 GMT
#18
On November 30 2010 17:24 Kojaimea wrote:
Just hit the button and distract yourself while its matching so you don't overthink it. Look through your division, check out your achievements, what you're aiming for, where you're at etc. This tends to relax me going into game.

I do that then just go alt tab and do stuff until it finds me a game and tabs me back in - actually works quite well for me
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johngalt90
Profile Joined May 2010
United States357 Posts
November 30 2010 08:30 GMT
#19
i changed my whole philosophy on the ladder system. my ultimate goal is for one day be able to play competitively at the pro level (big goal i know). but i really dont focus on that its simply the goal of my goals. i then thought about it and thought about my ladder ranking and realized i really dont care what my ladder score is and neither should anyone else. it doesnt really matter but it is a very helpful tool for practice because the ideas is it will pair you up against simliarily skilled players.

it does matter for some of the top 200 invites that happen for GSL and other various tournaments (where ladder rank makes you eligible for admission). but trying to artificially boost your ladder rank doesn't do very much in helping you be able to compete at that level.

what im trying to say is forget about your e-peen and focus on improving not how bright and shiny your win/loss is. oh yeah and cigarettes help me calm my nerves down after a real bad loss.
fuck the haters
MementoMori
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada419 Posts
November 30 2010 08:36 GMT
#20
On November 30 2010 17:18 motus wrote:
I swear there is a thread about something like this every week, dunno why your search didn't find anything.

But anyway, a lot of it has to do with the fact that you just haven't played a lot of games. Once you play hundreds and hundreds of ladder games, you'll click the 'find match' button without thinking twice about it.


This is what I believe as well. I feel like some people build up 1v1s in their head to be more than they are. Once you throw down 10 in a row or so you'll be right in the swing of things. Win or lose. Of course I'm sure this doesn't work for everyone. But when I had to take a break from SC for midterms, was kind of hesitant to play 1v1s again. But I just played a few and it went away fast
for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky
MementoMori
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada419 Posts
November 30 2010 08:39 GMT
#21
On November 30 2010 17:05 sNatch wrote:
Even after I win a game, I spend like 2 hours just watching the replay over and over; analyzing my opponents match history (I swear I'm not a stalker), and basically looking at all the games they've played; and not playing another game.


Just to add.. I think this is the thing here. Your brain is coming up with SC related ways to not play another match. But if you just say, I'm gonna play 5 in a row today without breaks in between. Might help break you out of it.
for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 08:41:52
November 30 2010 08:41 GMT
#22
Dont worry OP, many people have this problem. You're not only one. You're like this because you care too much about the game. Just play SC2 with a mindset that you're enjoying it like watching a football match. You dont play to win, you play to get better and have fun.
Once you got that down, you'll feel the hunger to play game after game after game :D.
And for me, when I feel anxiety i just got up, take a deep breath, browse TL and then play again. The anxiety will fade when you start another game.
Terran
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 30 2010 08:44 GMT
#23
I know this doesn't help a lot, but you need to change your mindset. Either set clear targets (+X points in a day, X games per day) that you try to stick to, or manage to stop caring about your score and record altogether and mass games freely.

It helps if you have a bunch of friends you custom with, as that becomes your 'main' play and the ladder is just for dicking around.
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
November 30 2010 08:44 GMT
#24
I had a similar problem, and although i dont think it was as extreme as yours, it was there and it kept me playing team games for a while.

Now i play only 1v1. What i did was i just played. Just ignore everything else, and just play 1v1. It may help to not play team games for a while eaither because if you fall back to them you may only contribute to the problem. After a while i felt more comfortable just playing 1v1, and the only time i fell really anxious is when im about to win a game in a tournament and my heart starts going crazy, but im working on that :D

2v2SNAX
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada97 Posts
November 30 2010 08:45 GMT
#25
I find talking to your opponent helps bring back the element of simplicity to it... You're just playing another guy like yourself. And once you get a name and a kind of personality (from the chatter) it's easier to approach playing calmly rather than thinking they're some SSJ Korean. :D
Scrimpton
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom465 Posts
November 30 2010 08:52 GMT
#26
honestly, just start being men and stop being boys.

That will solve any problems you have with self esteem. You dont need a win ratio or a ladder ranking to know that you enjoy the game and improve over time like every other human.

Honestly.. that these threads come up weekly is silly.
Protoss is the only race with "pro" in it
Schism
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia85 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 08:53:49
November 30 2010 08:53 GMT
#27
Go random and goof around in 1v1's, proxy rushes, all in scv+rine rushes, proxy cannons, every piece of LOL play you can think of. Many of these games will end in an early stalemate and then progress more or less as a normal game.

tl:dr, don't care whether you win or not, just have fun. After dozens/hundreds of games any anxiety will be gone
Serenity now...insanity later
Hemling
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden93 Posts
November 30 2010 08:54 GMT
#28
your goal should be
"i want to get 1000 ladder games played(my own style)"
not
"i want 1000 ladder wins"
long before the 1000 games are played your anxiety will be gone

i used to have the same problem both in beta and in sc1 10 years ago, it wears off after a while the more games u play.. nowadays i just want to play more but cant find the time to do it=(
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/246845/1/Hemligt/
sNatch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
November 30 2010 08:57 GMT
#29
On November 30 2010 17:52 Scrimpton wrote:
Honestly.. that these threads come up weekly is silly.


Sorry, if you could link them here, I would greatly appreciate it.

Another question, how do you guys deal with d/cs? My internet isn't exactly 100% reliable (it's not bad... but i'm on frat internet about 50% of my games) And I think another reason that stops me from playing as many 1v1s is that I'm terrified of d/cing.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/366499/1/GiR/
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
November 30 2010 08:58 GMT
#30
This is normal anxiety for doing something 1v1 where there is no one but yourself to rely on. The more your play the less anxiety you will have. Ever done a 1v1 in a FPS like serious 1v1 you get just as nervous.
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
pzea469
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1520 Posts
November 30 2010 09:03 GMT
#31
Just keep playing and playing and eventually it will go away. You cant keep getting anxiety if you experience it over and over. Eventually you will feel more comfortable and calm, which helps you play better.
Kill the Deathball
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 30 2010 09:04 GMT
#32
On November 30 2010 17:52 Scrimpton wrote:
honestly, just start being men and stop being boys.

That will solve any problems you have with self esteem. You dont need a win ratio or a ladder ranking to know that you enjoy the game and improve over time like every other human.

Honestly.. that these threads come up weekly is silly.

Don't be a twit.

People put time into 1v1, and play to win. When you do that, winning becomes a goal, and people have emotional investment in goals. It's natural to be nervous when facing competition, and the SC2 matchmaker pushes you hard.
mKw
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark33 Posts
November 30 2010 09:05 GMT
#33
On November 30 2010 17:57 sNatch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 17:52 Scrimpton wrote:
Honestly.. that these threads come up weekly is silly.


Sorry, if you could link them here, I would greatly appreciate it.

Another question, how do you guys deal with d/cs? My internet isn't exactly 100% reliable (it's not bad... but i'm on frat internet about 50% of my games) And I think another reason that stops me from playing as many 1v1s is that I'm terrified of d/cing.



If this happened to me i would wtf rage and smash keyboards. I would personally probably not play ranked games as it would just frustrate me to get loses when i shouldn't (don't mind losing and fucking my rating up but only if i actually played bad). I joined the que one time and as the countdown started i got a sc2 error. logged back in and had a loss, was so pissed.

You should just try finding times of the day where the internet is more stable (there usually are some odd hours where things just run smooth).
zak
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1009 Posts
November 30 2010 09:06 GMT
#34
On November 30 2010 17:11 ayadew wrote:
It's because SC2 is the most challenging game ever created, mentally and mechanically. :p



yup! almost like when i used to play Counter Strike in Tourneys. Well, since I am home alone and playing its not bad but the small amount of anxiety I get from playing is because of the competitive gameplay of sc2. love it!
You know how to gain a victory, but not use it - maharbal
Audigy
Profile Joined February 2009
United States200 Posts
November 30 2010 09:10 GMT
#35
i get the same way, even watching the replay after i win... i havnt been able to get myself to play ever since i hit diamond... i can beat friends in custom games but im so scared to just queue for the ladder haha, idk what is holding me back....i guess i just dont want to lose.

doing team games is fine though i can do those as much as i want. ><
razamanaz
Profile Joined August 2010
271 Posts
November 30 2010 09:12 GMT
#36
I cant play 1v1's because of that . I just dont want ... when i finaly press the quick match button i cant even play because my hands are shaking and im all shivering :s
CKone
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom50 Posts
November 30 2010 09:18 GMT
#37
try an talk to the opponent seems to relax me but honestly it just means u care theres nothing wrong with that. i bet when u win it feels amazing and u cant win without playing :D. weve all been there, theres something to be said for the saying "face your fears". your record isnt permanent and the ladder will be reset.
there is no such thing as hard or easy there is only practice, difficulty is a perception
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 09:21:45
November 30 2010 09:20 GMT
#38
I have 100% same problem you do OP but then i started reading the thread and someone posted old quote from d9
"I am fucking TERRIFIED of laddering." and then just hitting the Find Match button."

I smiled instantly and I'm prettý sure this will help meh when I get to home from school.


Btw does others have problems with getting exchausted?
I used to PvP In WoW alot and duels too. When you go Player vs. Player there and you got years of experience and theres gamemoney in for the winner I used to get very fast heartbeating and i was sweating etc. Well that lasts about 2min average while SC2 lasts over 20MIN AVERAGE !! :D Cant even compare the difficulty levels. ^^

After that it's pretty sick feeling (not poker term) and I just think maybe I will lie on my carpet for a while. :D Am I using too much my physical and mental resources? Should I try to lower it abit even if it's hard?

E: I didn't get anxiety feeling in 1.6 clan matches. Just sweating and excited but that's WAY different.
as useful as teasalt
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
November 30 2010 09:20 GMT
#39
Theres been a lot of threads on this...must have been a really fast search 0_o

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=anxiety

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=stress&t=t&f=-1&u=&gb=date
escobari
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland192 Posts
November 30 2010 09:23 GMT
#40
Losing, a lot of losing. I had (still kind of have) the same problem, but playing 1k game really helps. Precisely I noticed that after like the fifth time losing 3-11 you just die little inside and stop caring. Heard saying to myself: "You are obviously just utter crap, what does it matter if you lose even more."
g2s
Profile Joined November 2010
22 Posts
November 30 2010 09:23 GMT
#41
Stop playing zerg. Your anxiousness comes from experience. It can be frustrating at times because there's often guessing involved and most losses come because he prevented you from scouting his 2sp banshee build.
Try playing some 1-plan terran/protoss games instead for a while and when it feels ok to ladder you can switch back to zerg.

If you're not playing zerg... open that closed door so you feel that you have the real world around you. If you live alone you can invite a friend over and he can study for his exams, watch you play or whatever.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
November 30 2010 09:25 GMT
#42
I don't get anxiety attacks... I think I get the exact opposite when playing SC2.

I'm very laid back when I play. Sometimes I'll just leave the game even if I'm winning if I make a stupid mistake because I don't feel like recovering from a dumbass mistake I made during the game.
____

I still play Brood War too though. BW is so APM focused when you play Terran that I tend to rapidly go through too many button presses and mouse movements. I try to maintain high APM and while doing that I kind of spazz out. Anyways SC2 I feel really laid back for some reason compared to BW.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
November 30 2010 09:26 GMT
#43
just wait for ladder reset. I think this is the point where everyone is getting anxiety because ladder is almost finished and people are just tired. Look at painuser for example. He tanked almost 24 hours of streaming... dropped 600 points and got it back LOL
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
November 30 2010 09:28 GMT
#44
Just completely bomb a couple games so that you don't feel so bad "ruining" your winning streak.. (this excuse works well if your mess up during a winning streak and you don't want to put a hole in your monitor)
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Rokit5
Profile Joined April 2010
236 Posts
November 30 2010 09:35 GMT
#45
On November 30 2010 17:05 sNatch wrote:
I think it might have to do with the ladder system. I played BW and War3 (when they had the old ladder system) and never had any problems. I feel like that was because I was able to maintain over an 80% win rate in War3 though.


80%?? What?! Who are you? Fury?
fabulously
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway724 Posts
November 30 2010 09:35 GMT
#46
Sorry you got problems like this, but glad to see I am not the only one struggling. I get ridiculously cold arms and hands, at the verge of shaking. Making me misclick everything. It seems like my mind just blank out.

The few games I manage to survive or get in the lead the first 10 minutes, it just gets more stupid, for some reason I just can't win, I know I am in the lead, but I keep screwing up, overcommiting, throw units against the wall or you name it. The thought of actually being in the posision to win just makes my state of mind so much worse it seems.
Welcome back ROOT-gaming - you were never forgotten <3
jeebuzzx
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada365 Posts
November 30 2010 09:37 GMT
#47
i think a ladder reset is happening soon so play your heart out
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2195 Posts
November 30 2010 09:40 GMT
#48
In CSL matches, I actually stop breathing and my hands/nose go numb! It's not very useful, especially when I need my extremities to do things like click and type. I think it'll go away with time maybe try a game of drunken SC2 (it's quite enlightening)
Zerg | life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery | www.cstarleague.com <3
MICHELLE
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)199 Posts
November 30 2010 09:46 GMT
#49
On November 30 2010 18:35 Rokit5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 17:05 sNatch wrote:
I think it might have to do with the ladder system. I played BW and War3 (when they had the old ladder system) and never had any problems. I feel like that was because I was able to maintain over an 80% win rate in War3 though.


80%?? What?! Who are you? Fury?


Fury was far from even being close to be 80% on ladder
this guy does not know his %
Artosis, he's like that moss that grows on a tree that lets you know where the sun is
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
November 30 2010 09:48 GMT
#50
just listen to this song, do the day[9] thing and scream "i'm terrified to ladder" and give it a shot!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172448
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
November 30 2010 09:51 GMT
#51
Statistics might not be the underlying problem.
I think you guys focus too much on statistics. I also thought that it was my stats making me afraid, but it was not, as I bought another game (smurf account) and it still got too me. I started in bronze then, got easy wins, but SC2 wont let you win for too long, cause not to many matches later I was seperated from the boys to play the men..

So I kept in mind that, SC2 wont let you win more then about 50% of your games. If you win 3-5 in a row, expect some serious shit the next 3-5.

My problem however, is that I get so adrenaline pumped when I have a huge advantage in my sc2 games. It is like "I got this, I got this! oh fuck dont let me do something stupid now!".

So the real question for me is, what does the pro do? I saw Jinro was pretty nervous at MLG, having really cold hand (although it was pretty fucking cold there as well). But at GSL f.ex, you see pros so calm, Nestea seems to relax even being under 0-2 in the finals. How does he do this?
More important, how can I/we start to incorporate this kind of mental relaxasation that these guys can do in the worlds most competive sc2 scene?
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
November 30 2010 09:51 GMT
#52
Try this.

1. Create a basic plan for each match up on each map before you sit down to pay. This is important because you don't want to spend the first five minutes of each map thinking about what to do. Go ahead and write it out and keep it basic just an opening and then a way to end the game.

2. Before you sit down, repeat over and over in your head the phrase, "I am going to kill him." Do this to make kill become your mantra.

3.When you sit down try to keep your arms and legs loose shake them up a bit.

4. When your anxiety starts to surface repeat in you mind with confidence, "kill him."

5. At the beginning of the game scream at your screen slap your self in the mouth and scream at the screen again. Do it, don't ask why, just do it. Then start repeating "kill him."

6. Stick to your plan.

The idea is to awaken confidence and dispel anxiety. You need to not just play to win, and decide to want to play and win! Kill him!
lowlypawn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States241 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 12:22:21
November 30 2010 12:11 GMT
#53
On November 30 2010 18:46 MICHELLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 18:35 Rokit5 wrote:
On November 30 2010 17:05 sNatch wrote:
I think it might have to do with the ladder system. I played BW and War3 (when they had the old ladder system) and never had any problems. I feel like that was because I was able to maintain over an 80% win rate in War3 though.


80%?? What?! Who are you? Fury?

Fury was far from even being close to be 80% on ladder
this guy does not know his %



Yea I believe only Grubby and a few other TOP players could "actually" maintain a legit 80% win rate.

This is why I like the permanent account in SC2. In WC3 virtually everyone would create an account, play 20 or 30 games and then never play on that account again, mostly because they didn't want to ruin their precious 70+% win record. Most Smufs would also have their 48% win rate "fuck around with account" which was really their true account because that's where they played the majority of their games, but they all justified the low % (er I mean "normal") because "I try weird strategies", yea right.

Smurfing was epidemic in WC3 About half my opponents were smurfs. If you had a 50% (like I did) you were called a NOOB! Didn't matter if you had 500+ games played and it was the account you learned the game on...Most smurfs would have accounts like 8-0, 13-1 17-4, something like that, I forget the exact numbers. I believe if you could win 25 in a row you were either very lucky or very good. Many of the smurfs were good players but about half I could beat and it was very satisfying giving a smurf their first loss. One guy I played looked at my record and said straight away "I don't lose to noobs like you". I'm happy to say I won . That game was hands down my most rewarding win in WC3. I posted the replay and a lot of people got a good laugh from it.

Anyway back to the original post. You feel anxious because you're afraid of a loss on you "permanent" record. So one way to conquer that fear is to start a game then quit straight away. Still feeling anxious? Do it again. Still anxious? Do it again! Fuck it, give yourself 10 straight losses! Now your worst possible fears just happened. Your record is fucked so who cares.

This may be a little extreme but if the other suggestions are not helping might be worth a try.


hacker
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada26 Posts
November 30 2010 12:18 GMT
#54
I find the most relaxing piece of information to know before playing is that there is some nerd shitting his pants when he queues up against me.
Atta boy
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
November 30 2010 12:23 GMT
#55
fear of failure. a lot of people have it. google on ways to fix it.
THE_oldy
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia97 Posts
November 30 2010 12:43 GMT
#56
I used to have this exact problem, i would feel too jittery to play another game after the first, particularly when i won. Yeh, your problem is that your not loosing enough.

If you force your self to play for just a bit, you will eventually get stupid losses that you don't feel the need to watch the replay, and it will enrage you into hitting the find game button straight away
Strategy is the motivation for tactics
TehForce
Profile Joined July 2010
1072 Posts
November 30 2010 12:46 GMT
#57
On November 30 2010 17:16 SpaceFighting wrote:
dude are we like twins or someshit?? i have the exact same problem, in the beta i loved playing 1v1's and i got into platinum rank 3 (i think platinum was highest then..) and i didn't care because there was a reset..now the official release i havent even done ONE 1v1 quick match and unranked atm...i also do alot of 1v1 custom games on lost temple tho, and they dont get me as bad.

I start shaking and it really pisses me off, i think for me its the fact that its "ranked" and its pretty much "permanent" on my profile that sets it off...but yeah, feels bad man. ily OP


there will be ladder resets, so nothing is permament. now go enjoy the game.
NesTea <3
e4e5nf3
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada599 Posts
November 30 2010 12:47 GMT
#58
I find that I lose all apprehension and fear once I'm actually in the game, because my mind suddenly has other stuff to think about. I'm the kind of player that will lose himself in the game, like outside sounds suddenly disappear.

I used to have problems spamming the Find Match button after a game (especially a loss), but I have would force myself to press it, and everything would be fine once those 6 workers appear and I have to give them orders.
King takes Queen
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
November 30 2010 12:51 GMT
#59
Best thing you can do is to just do it. I.e Play more. The last thing you should do is to give in and give up...

It's called stepping out of a comfort zone. It's not a good feeling when you are doing it, but once you've expanded your comfort zone it's just like any other thing and you get a feeling of acomplishment.

Like Nike. Just do it!
Mada Mada Dane
Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
November 30 2010 12:51 GMT
#60
if you main zerg, play terran or protoss. if you main one of the other races... go play hello kitty island adventure.

in all seriousness, just play. I used to have this problem about wc3, and still do, but mainly because of the garbage 250ms bnet delay, even if you win or lose, just play, do you're best, and at some point, start having fun. i used to get super anxious and eventually got bored of zerg and SC2 in general, didnt play much in a while, came back, and started trying to work nydus into my build's and it opened up a whole new avenue for me and made the game more fun and interesting, effectively it rekindled my love for the game, mix up you're builds, do stupid shit(not all the time of course), shit so stupid you'l just laugh it off at the end no matter if you win or lose. thats what makes the game so fun, trying new things, making things work.
Huh...
RiceMuncher
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia138 Posts
November 30 2010 12:52 GMT
#61
try being on a final table in a $180 live tourney. Or in the bubble.
Its intense
ScythedBlade
Profile Joined May 2010
308 Posts
November 30 2010 12:54 GMT
#62
I used to have this anxiety too. Then I managed to fix it:

Instead of "caring" about your ladder, think of the ladder as just your "high score". Meanwhile, take every ladder game as practice. Just go into 1v1 as "Oh, I want to practice some hand speed". Don't go into it thinking I lose, or I win. It's more like, practicing as if you were under real circumstances~
exitusnow1
Profile Joined November 2010
23 Posts
November 30 2010 12:59 GMT
#63
i have this problem currently in sc2/back in sc1 and in super street fighter 4. the cure for it is to play a TON and everygame have the mindset of "this game means nothing". after about 1000 games i got past the nerves and adrenaline and started to play calm and improve. when i first started sf4 on the pc and finished my online record was about 1000-1500 games with maybe 200wins (something like that i dont have it installed on this pc trust me tho its terrible).

The same goes for starcraft but for me personally i feel sc2 takes so much effort out of me in just even one game that i dont care to play the 1000 games or whatever to fix it. i maybe play 1-2 games a week but watch sc2 everyday (streams//gsl) for hours. So if your able to play over and over with your nerves then you should easily over come them. I have read a thread here tho about how the adrenaline and nerve issues while playing and sitting for a long time is extremely bad for your health so try and take your games slow with no care in the world to keep calm.
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
November 30 2010 13:03 GMT
#64
play more you'll get over it bit by bit. sorry but that's it.
ESV Mapmaking!
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
November 30 2010 13:08 GMT
#65
Try just losing a ton of games on purpose. Just insta leave like 10 games in a row. You need to get used to the idea that losing is normal and that your ladder rank means nothing. Only then you'll be free to become great.
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
November 30 2010 13:17 GMT
#66
On November 30 2010 18:51 crappen wrote:So the real question for me is, what does the pro do? I saw Jinro was pretty nervous at MLG, having really cold hand (although it was pretty fucking cold there as well). But at GSL f.ex, you see pros so calm, Nestea seems to relax even being under 0-2 in the finals. How does he do this?
More important, how can I/we start to incorporate this kind of mental relaxasation that these guys can do in the worlds most competive sc2 scene?


im sure a lot of them are using beta blockers and benzos for events that important
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
November 30 2010 13:21 GMT
#67
On November 30 2010 17:25 Animostas wrote:
Something Day9 said that really worked for me is to just say out loud, "I am fucking TERRIFIED of laddering." and then just hitting the Find Match button.


This actually works for me too. I got hella anxious when I first realized your Win/Loss ratio would be emblazoned on a giant fucking plaque that everyone would see.
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Gorguts
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada254 Posts
November 30 2010 13:29 GMT
#68
all you have to do is realize you are GOING TO LOSE A LOT! no matter how good you are, even the best pros have a lot of losses. Very, very few have over a 70% ratio.


Look: http://sc2ranks.com/

7/10 of the top 10 ladder players in the world have between 52%-56% ratios!!


if all of your games were n00bs that you steamrolled, you wouldn't get much better. losing teaches you tons about the game, you just have to come back stronger after each loss.
Lalgee
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom65 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 13:39:16
November 30 2010 13:38 GMT
#69
I used to have the exact same problem as in the OP. The way I dealt with it was just by having one build for each matchup for a while, that I would just do over and over. This really helped me reduce the importance of each match in my head. I also started playing the occassional ESL tournament, which further dampened the importance on ranked 1v1 matches. The "just play" attitude won't work for people with this problem, you just have to become like a robot, and perform the same 3 builds over and over for a while. If nothing else, it actually becomes quite interesting trying to adapt to all the different timing pushes your build faces. I enjoy playing like this more than trying to adapt to what my opponent is doing constantly, playing like that is just so draining. Furthermore, nobody will want to watch their replays for 2 hours when they are just doing the same thing over and over

Now I can easily play 40 games in a day, and haven't had a day where I've played less than 20 games in about a month!
"That's Lal-Genius"
machination
Profile Joined September 2010
United States175 Posts
November 30 2010 13:43 GMT
#70
Ladders do reset regularly (first reset is Q1 2011 I believe), so those numbers aren't permanent.

I had an issue with ladder anxiety a while back, but have now played close to 1000 ladder games across all brackets. For me it was about realizing that caring about W:L ratio on ladder over improving your skill and ability to play the game at a continuously higher level is pointless.
PROJECTILE
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
November 30 2010 13:45 GMT
#71
On November 30 2010 22:17 Skew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 18:51 crappen wrote:So the real question for me is, what does the pro do? I saw Jinro was pretty nervous at MLG, having really cold hand (although it was pretty fucking cold there as well). But at GSL f.ex, you see pros so calm, Nestea seems to relax even being under 0-2 in the finals. How does he do this?
More important, how can I/we start to incorporate this kind of mental relaxasation that these guys can do in the worlds most competive sc2 scene?


im sure a lot of them are using beta blockers and benzos for events that important

I'm still totally surprised that people with nerve issues haven't investigated these types of things. If I were playing competitively I would totally be all over beta blockers.
anfionn
Profile Joined September 2010
Ireland28 Posts
November 30 2010 13:47 GMT
#72
I got placed in Platinum, then some poor games, dropped to Gold, then 2 bad games, now silver.

I no longer have nerves, the worst has happened

And its not so bad!

NB: 80% win ratio in silver, I will crawl back!
How did I defeat the killbots, simple, I sent wave after wave of my own men
tuukster
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland114 Posts
November 30 2010 13:48 GMT
#73
Lots of people fear losing, because to them it means failure. "I'm gonna be remembered for the rest of my life for losing to this guy..." Losing is just another opportunity for you to learn something. Don't try to win your matches, try to learn something from them. When you've learned enough, winning will become an outcome of your learning process.

When you lose and learn that there are things you need to work on, I suggest you pick just one thing. In StarCraft, it's too easy to see ALL the mistakes you made due to replays and such. That can make you feel miserable and powerless, so it's better to just pick ONE and work on it until it's fixed.

I'm certain that if people stopped watching replays of themselves, they wouldn't feel so stressed out. When you constantly go over your mistakes again and again, it's no wonder that people don't wanna play anymore, since playing a game will almost become a synonyme for "making mistakes". Watching replays is of course a very powerful tool for learning, but I'm sure that most people already know what they did wrong right after the match ends. No need to watch the replay afterwards.

I also gotta emphasize the importance of practice. The anxiety mostly comes from the feeling that you don't know what's gonna happen. Well, you can't control what the opponent is gonna do, but you can sure as hell decide what you are gonna do. If you feel insecure about your gameplay, then go practice! Build orders, micro and macro mechanics, etc... Confidence in your own play will make the anxiety go away.
Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
November 30 2010 13:52 GMT
#74
There is no failure in Starcraft, only defeat. Through defeat you can learn to achieve victory.
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
Zumms
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30 Posts
November 30 2010 13:58 GMT
#75
I know alot of people that just watch streams all day and don't actually play the game. If you are watching more starcraft than playing then there is a problem, in my opinion. I used to be scared about playing starcraft until Day[9] helped me a bit. He said to just step out side of you and just look at yourself. Why are you actually intimidated to play this game? Just relax.
CherubDown
Profile Joined August 2010
United States171 Posts
November 30 2010 14:04 GMT
#76
"There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquored."

I recommend playing more often - and if time does not permit, at least play consistently throughout the week. You'll eventually lose the fear of losing. Because you're going to lose a lot regardless of your rank, the only option is to get used to it.

That being said, it's just a game. Realize that your record don't mean shit and nobody cares but you about it. (in all seriousness, nobody cares about your record but you) With that in mind, you should feel confident and enjoy playing StarCraft.
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
November 30 2010 14:04 GMT
#77
On November 30 2010 22:08 blizzind wrote:
Try just losing a ton of games on purpose. Just insta leave like 10 games in a row. You need to get used to the idea that losing is normal and that your ladder rank means nothing. Only then you'll be free to become great.


What bad advice. And then what rinse and repeat?
It's perfectly ok to care about winning or loosing and even about your rank even if it's just an illusion. Anxiety comes from not knowing what's going to happen that's why knowing strategy and reading your opponent is so important. There is nothing worse than to get rolled and not understand why and what lead to that point. Once you know what's going on and you know you are in control of your situation, playing with a goal, be that a certain timing for instance, your brain will focus.

I see this alot with players that are clearly worse than their opponent, they get nervous even in the most casual practice environment. What they should be doing is focus on what's going on and learn from that experience. There is simply nothing better to get stomped by a very strong refined push. You note the timing, you learn how to defeat it / hold it and you will be surprised how next time someone tries the exact same push on you only not that refined you crush it.

Worst case scenario in any game is you learn something new.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 14:08:32
November 30 2010 14:07 GMT
#78
"74-37" is fucking good with this system, if you play your best every game... if you lost 30 games then started playing real then that's another matter but I don't think you did? 80% on war3 woulda been pretty good too in the newer AMM system.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
Cerebrate.Monthly
Profile Joined November 2010
United States21 Posts
November 30 2010 14:36 GMT
#79
I had a similar anxiety in any game that I played with a permanent record, even trying to cruising channels to pick my fights against players that I could confidently beat in Iccup to inflate my e-peen just a little bit (guilty). I thought I was completely over my glass ego after cementing the realization that I was only a sub-par player once I began mass gaming in Brood War... but it somehow cropped up in SC2 as well. With a similar win ratio to you after my first 50 games, I found myself trying to optimize being in 'perfect condition' before pushing the quick match button... sometimes only playing 1 ladder game every few days while playing like 30 Custom games to 'warm up'.

My Cure was this: I literally tanked my record by quitting out of a TON of games (biting my lip a bit as this was something drastic) then did a quick climb through the lower MMR matches as a sort of smurf. It took about 100 games to get to playing similarly skilled players that I was being matched with before and ever since then I have no anxiety because I know I already took the importance of the 'record' out of the equation for myself.

Force yourself to play for 'enjoyment', not for some e-pride and I personally will guarantee you will like the game a lot more (Screw what people think )
"There is nothing cooler than being passionate about the things you love." -Day[9]
AlexDeLarge
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania218 Posts
November 30 2010 14:49 GMT
#80
jack off before laddering. you won't have a care in the world
Its only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything
deathserv
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States228 Posts
November 30 2010 17:41 GMT
#81
I appreciate this thread because I've been getting super frustrated playing lately myself. I've reached as high as Diamond Rank 4, but recently I've been sinking like a stone, from about 32 games over .500 (for people not familiar with baseball terminology, that means 32 games over 50% win) to about 16. I feel like I am getting crushed nearly every game versus Protoss (I am something like 4 and 16 against them in the past week or so, seriously). Additionally, I am playing a TON of ZvZs, which are very random and frustrating.

I'm just trying to take it less seriously from here on out. I enjoyed playing because I felt my game improving, but now that it is NOT improving. I think that is the most frustrating thing - just feeling as if your skills are degrading instead of improving. I guess I just need to take myself less seriously instead of raging at my computer when I lose. I want to play and have fun, not feel angered when I lose.

Thanks for all the tips here guys. We should all have a healthier attitude to games (after all, that's what they are) in general, I think.
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
November 30 2010 17:45 GMT
#82
I see this thread like, literally, every day

You acknowledging theres a problem is your only problem, unless you plan on taking some benzos or take up breathing exercises, just queue up and shattup!
Kyandid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada124 Posts
November 30 2010 17:48 GMT
#83
no one cares if you win or lose
no one is going to look at your record and go 'what a scrub'
Proto_Protoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States495 Posts
November 30 2010 17:48 GMT
#84
It just another person at the other end of the computer. They make mistakes also nobody plays perfectly if you lose a game dont beat yourself over it. Just keep playing to get better you dont necessarily have to win to get better.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up everytime we do." - Confucius
simme123
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Sweden810 Posts
November 30 2010 17:49 GMT
#85
Use the search function there's a ton of threads like this one but... Anyways here's my advice it's a game it's supposed to be fun so if you take it seriously enough so that it isn't even fun and just stresses you out then don't play just chill man.
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
November 30 2010 17:50 GMT
#86
Just lose a few games and not care. Boom! Problem solved.
fiskrens
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden196 Posts
November 30 2010 17:51 GMT
#87
Stop caring about losing. Realise that the matchmaker is designed to have you lose, A LOT! But will always help you win again when you struggle.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25974 Posts
November 30 2010 17:52 GMT
#88
How could you not find this by searching?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=scared&t=t&f=19&u=&gb=date
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=nervous&t=t&f=19&u=&gb=date
Moderator
SCdinner
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada516 Posts
November 30 2010 17:52 GMT
#89
You need to ignore win rates, points and all that stuff and just find what you enjoy in the game. Don't stick to your best build and experiment. Chat with the oppenent during and after the game. Treat it as a hobbie instead of work.
My other car is a battlecruiser.
Nobu
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain550 Posts
November 30 2010 17:53 GMT
#90
This happens a lot to me, and mass gamming will eventually solve the problem, i was like that a lot in WoW arena at first, then i just wanted to play to get better even if I loose a lot of points.

Another thing that can help you, go see some TLO interviews or pro players like them, when they talk about the game, you will realize that you SUXX, you are really bad indeed and you got to realize it and then look on the bright side, there's people that suxx even more than you
With that mind set, you will just ignore points and try to win, think that pro players can get to top diamond anyday of the week, so even if you drop ranks or something, if you eventually get better, you will be able to recover for sure.

Also. get some practice partners and play with them, is less stressful and you can improve way faster than playing mass games on ladder
"There's farmers and there's gamers, farmers get up early, gamers sleep in." Artosis
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
November 30 2010 17:55 GMT
#91
I know this is an apparent common issue but I still feel as if I'll never understand it.

This is Starcraft, you are pretty much guaranteed to lose at least 40% of your games, and hey, you know the guy you just faced? Same thing.

Also if you get anxiety with sc2 1v1s how bad is it to other things in real life?
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Robonord
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States311 Posts
November 30 2010 17:58 GMT
#92
If you're getting too anxious and generally are not having fun it might be best just to stop. I used to be like you and forced myself to play, but after a while I realized I wasn't having fun, even when I won. At the end of the day, this is a game and if it's causing you too much stress it might be better just to do something else.
IMLosirA | ST_Bomber | SlayerS_Puzzle
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
November 30 2010 18:01 GMT
#93
Eating well and having good sleeping habits can go a long way to stop this. I notice I feel this way sometimes if I am playing on an empty stomach and then if I try to eat some quick junk food to make it go away it sometimes makes it worse. Eating lots of fruits and veggies is good for the mind.
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
November 30 2010 18:03 GMT
#94
what've you got to lose by just playing without being afraid? some points? it's just a game, are you anxious about stepping out the door because you might lose your life? i dont know, just throwing out things to consider :O
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
November 30 2010 18:07 GMT
#95
On December 01 2010 02:41 deathserv wrote:
I appreciate this thread because I've been getting super frustrated playing lately myself. I've reached as high as Diamond Rank 4, but recently I've been sinking like a stone, from about 32 games over .500 (for people not familiar with baseball terminology, that means 32 games over 50% win) to about 16. I feel like I am getting crushed nearly every game versus Protoss (I am something like 4 and 16 against them in the past week or so, seriously). Additionally, I am playing a TON of ZvZs, which are very random and frustrating.

I'm just trying to take it less seriously from here on out. I enjoyed playing because I felt my game improving, but now that it is NOT improving. I think that is the most frustrating thing - just feeling as if your skills are degrading instead of improving. I guess I just need to take myself less seriously instead of raging at my computer when I lose. I want to play and have fun, not feel angered when I lose.

Thanks for all the tips here guys. We should all have a healthier attitude to games (after all, that's what they are) in general, I think.

why do you only need to improve? there's a lot of merit to just enjoying being where you're at. ironically you'll probably start to improve once you've done that
zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
November 30 2010 18:12 GMT
#96
On November 30 2010 17:11 ayadew wrote:
It's because SC2 is the most challenging game ever created, mentally and mechanically. :p

It's just another person at the other end. You can't take responsibility for his mindset, but you can for your own. Ask yourself, why do you play? To spend time, to win, to get better, to have fun?
Many plays to win for some reason. That's the ultimate goal, a better way would be to make little goals instead of going for the ultimate every time. Such as: not getting supply blocked this time, or surviving for 10 minutes.

i lol'd at surviving for 10 mins
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
November 30 2010 18:16 GMT
#97
On December 01 2010 03:03 Roe wrote:
what've you got to lose by just playing without being afraid? some points? it's just a game, are you anxious about stepping out the door because you might lose your life? i dont know, just throwing out things to consider :O


Well real anxiety is more than just being afraid, it is a mental condition that WILL cause you to play very poorly. There are ways to avoid it (for most people) but once you're there in the heat of it you can't simple jedi mind trick yourself out of it.
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vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
November 30 2010 18:27 GMT
#98
i think everyone should just go see a therapist.


joking aside, i think this problem arises in this game more than others because of match making trying to play you against even players. in other games, you have the ability to roflstomp people pretty consistently if you're above average and know where to look (i.e. pub servers in fps games) so im sure for a lot of people, the 50% win rate seems really low when you come from other games.
Ashera
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada202 Posts
November 30 2010 18:33 GMT
#99
I think the reason that people have assumed 'anixety' over 1v1 is because the of the outcome of the game is solely based on how you play, and that you have to be able to be responsible to deal with various situations.
Viva la Vida
Handuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden48 Posts
November 30 2010 18:36 GMT
#100
Here's an old thread that brings up good stuff to help you enjoy playing more, great read.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142131
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On August 08 2010 02:09 retro-noob wrote:
Have you ever been focused on something with such intensity and fun that you lose track of time, forget that you're hungry, and find yourself completely lost in what you're doing?

(EDIT: That describes one end of the spectrum of these kind of experiences. These same principles also apply to having more normal experiences of fun and enjoyment from something challenging.)

In extreme cases, everything becomes clear, and your actions seem effortless, automatic, and highly precise and efficient--things can even seem to slow down.

We call the more intense instances being "in the zone," "locked in," "unconscious," or "on fire." Psychologist Mihály Csíkszentmihályi named it flow. It is among the best experiences we can have as human beings.

More often, we just call it having fun.


That feeling is the reason we play Starcraft.


We are chasing those kinds of experiences, and this game is one of the best, most reliable ways to get to it if you approach it the right way.

I'm going to break down the ten factors that accompany these experiences of flow and show how they each relate to playing SC2.

The factors are:
  1. Clear goals
  2. Concentration
  3. A loss of feelings of self-consciousness
  4. Loss of a sense of time
  5. Direct and immediate feedback
  6. Balance between ability level and challenge
  7. A sense of control over the activity
  8. The activity is intrinsically rewarding
  9. Lack of awareness of your biological needs
  10. Your entire awareness becomes focused on the activity itself


1. ***CLEAR GOALS
WHAT NOT TO DO: Don't make winning your only goal. That's because you can't always control whether or not you win, you can't always get direct and immediate feedback on whether or not you are going to win, you'll probably NOT win at least 30% of the time, it isn't intrinsically rewarding (in the sense meant above), and the very idea of winning involves your ego massively--not good for losing those feelings of self-consciousness.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Focus on executing your build order. Focus on having a plan in advance for tactics and strategy. Have an idea for your early, mid, and late game. Pick some other things to accomplish each game (upgrades, expansions, scouting, harassment, micro, macro, building placement, etc.).

Make those kinds of things your primary focus before, during, and immediately after the game. Let winning and losing roll off your back completely, make them unimportant side-effects of all of these other goals--be zen-like about it.

Have these goals clearly laid out. Write them down. Don't change them too much until you've mastered what you were working on.

2. ***CONCENTRATION
WHAT NOT TO DO: Don't let yourself have too many distractions (obviously). Whether that applies to your music, your viewers, your friends, your chatting, or things in the game other than your goals (you get caught up in micro when you intended to work on macro). Don't focus on winning because that's always going to be a distraction from your real goals.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Get laser focused on your goals. Have the plan in your mind. Go over that plan constantly. Be looking for the cues and information that apply to what you're trying to do. Day[9]'s mantra of "workers, supply, money" is a good example of this.

3. ***LOSS OF SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS
WHAT NOT TO DO: Don't rage. Don't focus on winning. Don't flame. Don't respond to flaming. Don't get caught up in your short-comings as a player.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Be polite. Try not to let flaming or opponent rage impact you too much. Pay attention ONLY to the things on your list of goals for the game--if you suck at micro and are painfully aware of it but that's not the thing you're trying to work on, then decide in advance not to sweat micro in the slightest.

4. *** DISTORTED SENSE OF TIME
WHAT NOT TO DO: Continue glancing at the clock while playing. Listen to short music tracks that break up your experience into 3-minute chunks. Get bogged down in build-order timings that you aren't super-familiar with.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Make your basic timings one of the first things you work on, so you don't have to focus on that any more. Learn it stone-cold. As more sophisticated timings become relevant to your game, roll back your expectations on other areas so you can focus on those, master them, and move on.

5. *** DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE FEEDBACK
WHAT NOT TO DO: Decide to practice sentry force-field micro by playing in ladder games. Never watch your replays.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Pick the right approach to working towards a given goal. If you want to practice with force-fields, open the unit tester. Find a map designed for force-field micro practice. Have your practice partner mass zerglings while you mass sentries and then see how long you can prevent him from getting into your base.

Or for a different example, if you really want to practice combating mech in your ZvT, don't hop on the ladder where you may go 8 games in a row without playing against a Terran only for him to do a bio-build. A practice partner or a special map would be the way to go there as well.

Also, it's hard to get direct feedback when you're not sure how you failed to reach your goal. Check out the replay when there's missing info that you need in order to improve.

6. ***BALANCE BETWEEN ABILITY LEVEL AND CHALLENGE LEVEL
WHAT NOT TO DO: Don't build 5 bases if you have no prayer of managing 5 bases. On the other side, don't just do your cheesy all-in rush that you could do in your sleep every game without any other objective in mind to challenge you.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Take baby steps. If you aren't good at macro, focus on successfully spending all your money off of two bases. Maybe build 5 bases, but instead of trying to manage them effectively, see how quickly you can get 200 workers on the field. Or try to spend 5 bases worth of income with no regard whatsoever for whether that money is spent well. Build 30 command centers if you need to. Again, whatever you're working on, take baby steps.

7. ***A SENSE OF CONTROL OVER THE ACTIVITY
WHAT NOT TO DO: Don't play like your hair is on fire, giving yourself more things to manage and focus on than you can possibly feel like you have a sense of control over.

Also, don't be frantically mapping control group hotkeys without some kind of plan. Don't rely on the tooltips to give you the keyboard shortcuts for building a certain unit or getting a certain upgrade.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Limit the amount of stuff you have to attend to until you are very comfortable, then move up slowly. Have a solid plan for how you want your mechanics to go. Focus on learning hot keys, get comfortable managing control groups, etc..

This might be one of the most important things to do for a new player. If you aren't comfortable with controlling the game, you will have trouble doing anything else on this list of things associated with flow. You'll be self-conscious, it'll feel too difficult, you'll be distracted often, etc..

8. ***THE ACTIVITY IS INTRINSICALLY REWARDING
WHAT NOT TO DO: Focus on winning. Focus on your ranking. Focus on your win record. Focus on showing up a bad mannered jerk.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Play because you enjoy the sense that you're getting better. Play because you like reaching those little goals mentioned above.

9. ***LACK OF AWARENESS OF BIOLOGICAL NEEDS

This isn't something to strive for, more of a side-effect of being in flow.

10. ***YOUR ENTIRE AWARENESS BECOMES FOCUSED ON THE ACTIVITY ITSELF

Again, this is more of a natural product of all of the other things being put into practice. If you have clear, specific goals, and you put yourself in a position where you're focused on that and getting immediate feedback, you have a great chance of getting this effect from time to time.

The key here is the purity and intensity of the other factors. If you are really locked-in because you have a handful of these factors down pat, you're likely to get to this place.



~~CONCLUSION~~

Even if it's subconscious or they don't think in these terms, flow is often the secret sauce behind the performance of the top gamers, top athletes, top musicians, and artists in the world. It's why they can work for hours and hours on end with minimal fatigue or boredom. It's why they can remain passionate about something even after decades spent on mastery.

In fact, when it comes to Starcraft 2, you'll find a lot of these principles at work in the wisdom of everybody's favorite nerd, Day[9], and his approach to the game. If you pay attention to his advice, it's often about breaking things down into clear goals, taking baby steps, concentrating on specific things, being willing to let go of winning in order to work on new aspects of your game, and so on.

Furthermore, if you watch Daily #100, you can hear him talk about these sorts of moments and experiences throughout his career as a player in many of the same terms I've used here (loss of self-consciousness, total absorption in the task, feelings of control, his skill and the challenge at hand being perfectly matched).

You don't have to do ALL of these things to experience flow, even a handful can get you there. This approach to the game can help new players and pros alike.

By moving more towards these approaches to Starcraft 2, you are likely to have more fun, rage less, and actually get better at the game faster.

crueknight
Profile Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 18:41:49
November 30 2010 18:40 GMT
#101
I use to get so hyped that I'll shake uncontrollably before the game starts. I would usually turn off the sound before the match starts as the "beeping" countdown only increased my hype.

100 games later and I actually turn up the volume to get myself hyped.

I never really had any other effects by being overhyped tho. I didn't seem to play worse. It is actually when I'm not hyped enough that I tend to fail.
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
November 30 2010 18:44 GMT
#102
Actually, I find I can only play 3 or 4 1v1s before I need a break. My eyes start to water and I feel like I'm about to have a heart attack if I keep going.

That's kind of what makes it fun, though. If I didn't get a rush, I'd just play TF2 or something.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 30 2010 18:47 GMT
#103
Just can't wrap my head around why it bothers people. If you lose you lose. I went 3-9 yesterday, absolutely awful, lots of mistakes by my part. Left me with kinda a sucky feeling afterwards. But no biggie, kept looking to next games as "I fucked up last game, don't make those same fuckups!!!"
Sholoshka
Profile Joined October 2010
United States60 Posts
November 30 2010 18:53 GMT
#104
I used to play custom 1v1 matches to "practice" for ladder games, but when I thought about it, the custom games are just sucking my energy away and I might as well be playing ladder games anyways.

Plus, if you just stick with ladder instead of trying to practice with custom games you'll get more used to ladder games, and therefore less stress.

What helped me with 1v1 anxiety is taking breaks when going on a losing streak, just playing a lot of games back to back and feeling comfortable, and staying away from the Lost Temple cheesefest in custom 1v1's. It really sucks when you lapse in focus and get beat by some stupid cheese...it really kills motivation...
MiniTsunami
Profile Joined June 2010
United States274 Posts
November 30 2010 19:02 GMT
#105
Personally, if I am playing tough competition on the KR server, or if I get lucky on NA and get a couple of good games to start off my night, I can play 20-30+ games in a row no problem.

As long as I am losing some amount of games, and feel like I have a challenge to overcome, then I can play all day until I am too sleepy to continue.

On the other hand, if I win my first 3-4 games pretty easily (which is usually the case on NA) I get bored really fast and feel like doing something else. This is something I really need to get over, cause I know that if I keep playing I will eventually run into good players. I'm not sure why I feel this way but if I don't feel a real sense of "challenge" I pretty much just get bored and go watch TV or something
Learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 19:10:50
November 30 2010 19:02 GMT
#106
Lulz, I can kind of identify with this as well. Its funny that it's only 1 v 1s, because I've been in "huge" situations in other competitive games, and was known as being ridiculously clutch in CSS.
But the real reason I hate laddering is I can't stand failing, and the reason I failed being me. This affects me in real life too, but in positive ways, as I prepare really hard for important things and rarely screw up. But in games i'm fine losing as long as I know I wasn't to blame, lol. I'm going to fix it, though, lol. Just completely f'ed up my ladder stats by autolosing about 50 straight games.

I'm now a proud 0 point platinum player.
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
November 30 2010 21:00 GMT
#107
This is normal. You naturally fear losing. Lots of people don't play any 1v1s after they've reached diamond. They don't want to lose their diamond rank. Far more people just don't want to deal with the pressure in 1v1s. They want to win, but they know they can't handle the macro and micro. They rather play 2v2s or 3v3s or 4v4s because the reason for losing is more spread out between teammates, rushes, or bad coordination.

In a 1v1, it's a reflection of self. It's a display of your skills in the game vs your theory crafting. Your ability to sound like a pro and play like a pro. It doesn't help that many people take this game seriously because of the pro gaming scene. The same applies to those who win a few games and then quit because of the streak.

If you want to get over it, pick a goal that you can accomplish that's unrelated to winning each game in a 1v1. You'll have to think of it like its practice. Otherwise, its the equivalent of playing in a tournament where every win is meaningful.
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