EPTTerrans Have Highest Skill Ceiling - Page 17
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
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BetterFasterStronger
United States604 Posts
On December 27 2010 18:06 Madder wrote: Why is this topic still open? Even the title by itself is so rage-inducing, it's ridiculous. because if it was closed another would just open up. This way we can get a good look at all the people to ignore on the forums :D | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
Forgot to macro: spam mule Supply block: spam extra supply Forgot to scout: scan Can't defend an expansion: fortress Let's to early aggression!! Bunker rush Early aggression looks like it's done enough damage! Salvage bunker Like there's such a layed out solution to a lot of things for terran it isn't too great of a skill ceiling. I think terran is probably easiest to play on lower levels because you DO forget to scout/macro/supply/ and such. Not to mention you can just all-in with scv/marine up to the top of the ladder. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
I'm off!! I think protoss is quite hard, I tried a game with my friend where I off-raced protoss and force field is REALLY hard omg omg!! Also I off-raced with terran but it felt more natural, stim micro and such felt natural, but it might just be I'm better at terran so it is't saying much | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
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men1kmati
United States165 Posts
On December 27 2010 18:15 Deckkie wrote: I play Terran and because of the endless whining I really got the feeling I was playing an OP race. Just started playing random and honestly Zerg and Protoss are pretty string. I dont see what all the endless fuz is about .... maybe we should get a national holiday on Tl, one where everybody plays random to get respect for the other races and to think about the great game that we have. good idea lol. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
does sound like a good idea... and with TL's popularity this might actually work out hahaha | ||
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
On December 26 2010 19:37 Patriot.dlk wrote: Is it hellion marauders or banshee coming? Huge skill required from zerg to find out while terran can just execute the build. How does scouting (i.e., moving with a slow as molasses overlord, or running zerglings up a ramp, or hiding a drone) require "huge skill from zerg"? That's just something you do, as a Zerg player, because Zerg is a reactionary race. If you lose to an early push (as any race) it's your own fault for not scouting it, it has rarely has anything to do with large quantities of skill you may or may not have. Skill in the context of scouting is knowing when to scout, knowing what to look for, and having the game sense to suspect proxies. Having played both Terran and Zerg to diamond, I think Terran definitely is the more dynamic race of the two, having a lot of options to choose from in the opening stages of the game. Properly playing Terran against Zerg or Protoss generally requires at least some mineral/base harass to stay in the game while being able to macro up a large enough army to overrun your opponent's. Because of the large number of strategies open to Terran at the early game, Terran players have the ability to execute them all simultaneously into the middle/late game-->because of the efficiency of some of these strategies, a player who is able to multitask well can really excel at Terran. Due in part to the lack of early-game, cheap, efficient strategies, Zerg and Protoss need to go up an expensive tech tree in order to effectuate the same results, while Terran generally opens up more strategies as they tech up. It's because of this (perceived) inequality in diversity of strategy that Terran has the most room to expand. I think Protoss is probably comparable to Terran with regard to diversity of strategy, but their options are generally much more expensive to carry out, and so Terran has a slight edge. On December 27 2010 18:10 evanthebouncy! wrote: i alwahs thought the opposite is true. Terran has the lowest skill ceiling Reading the content of your post made me laugh. "marine/scv all-in to the top of the ladder"? What game do you play? I've lost to a marine/scv all-in like 3 times. Total. And those 3 losses were the first 3 times I encountered a marine/scv all-in. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
On December 27 2010 19:37 MozzarellaL wrote: How does scouting (i.e., moving with a slow as molasses overlord, or running zerglings up a ramp, or hiding a drone) require "huge skill from zerg"? That's just something you do, as a Zerg player, because Zerg is a reactionary race. If you lose to an early push (as any race) it's your own fault for not scouting it, it has rarely has anything to do with large quantities of skill you may or may not have. Skill in the context of scouting is knowing when to scout, knowing what to look for, and having the game sense to suspect proxies. You're serious? How easy do you think it is to scout Terran? Even if you do manage to sneak an overlord in, its impossible to tell what Terran is doing because they just have so many options. Example: scout 2 gas = fast banshees, fast hellion drop / thor drop, fast tank/marines push. Scout 2 rax = expo, all-in, transition 2 gas to any build listed above, early agression, 4 OC push. Possibilities are endless for Terran, yet all T has to do to scout Zerg is find 1 tech building. | ||
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pRo9aMeR
595 Posts
I never realized how limited zerg and protoss were in comparison of versitility until your post... Now I hate terran even more, but at the same time it brings to me more pleasure when I win^^ | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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Barca
United States418 Posts
On November 29 2010 14:06 pure.Wasted wrote: First, what does that even mean? I’m not saying that Terran players are better, or that the Terran race takes more skill to play. I’m saying that over the course of SC2’s meta-game, if nothing at all is patched from this point onward, Terran gameplay is going to change the most radically, especially in subtle ways, and that comparing Terran play now to the Beta, it already has. Skill ceiling is the wrong word. Maybe this thread has become so whiny because of this miscommunication. It sounds to me like you mean to say that Terran has the most options and as such will have the most versatile "meta-game" since there is more room to change. Being creative does not mean being skillful. TLO can do the craziest shit there is, but I'd take oGsMC's 3 gate//Void Ray rush over him everyday of the week. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
The problem is the word "skill" and the implication that one race requires more than another. As soon as that comes into the equation any logical and reasonable discussion about race potential gets thrown out the window because every gets butt hurt that their race that they think is so hard to play isn't considered the hardest. Nobody wants to be told they are playing the easy race, and then it just becomes a he said she said defend my side no matter what and 17 pages later this is where we are at. To me you can simply tl;dr the entire thread to: Single player is Terran focused -> Terran has more complete initial feel on release ->Terran has more units and buildings options currently(expansions will change this) -> more units will mean more potential options and "new" strategy -> more BO and meta game combinations and strategies will exist and change over time for terran. Has nothing to do with the skill, or strength, or game balance. It also doesn't mean the other races won't come up with new ideas or change their style. Just simple math, more units, more buildings(especially with addon switching) will lead to more combinations for terran. Couple that in with building placement options, etc just means terran has a very wide variety to continue to build on. It is just a shame that there can never be an interesting discussion because it always melts down into a race war where nobody wants to feel like they aren't good. | ||
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Barca
United States418 Posts
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
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Barca
United States418 Posts
On December 27 2010 23:59 FLuE wrote: um.. I'm agreeing with you the whole way. and wasn't rude at all. Rofl. I read that first line so incredibly wrong... fixed. Sorry about that, hey I found an ally. Sup. | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On December 27 2010 18:10 evanthebouncy! wrote: i alwahs thought the opposite is true. Terran has the lowest skill ceiling, I think of it like this: Forgot to macro: spam mule Supply block: spam extra supply Forgot to scout: scan Can't defend an expansion: fortress Let's to early aggression!! Bunker rush Early aggression looks like it's done enough damage! Salvage bunker Like there's such a layed out solution to a lot of things for terran it isn't too great of a skill ceiling. I think terran is probably easiest to play on lower levels because you DO forget to scout/macro/supply/ and such. Not to mention you can just all-in with scv/marine up to the top of the ladder. What you said has nothing about skill ceiling. You described a low skill floor for terran, not a ceiling. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On December 27 2010 18:10 evanthebouncy! wrote: i alwahs thought the opposite is true. Terran has the lowest skill ceiling, I think of it like this: Forgot to macro: spam mule Supply block: spam extra supply Forgot to scout: scan Can't defend an expansion: fortress Let's to early aggression!! Bunker rush Early aggression looks like it's done enough damage! Salvage bunker Like there's such a layed out solution to a lot of things for terran it isn't too great of a skill ceiling. I think terran is probably easiest to play on lower levels because you DO forget to scout/macro/supply/ and such. Not to mention you can just all-in with scv/marine up to the top of the ladder. I love this game! Zerg Suck at continually building units: inject larva ==> instant army Suck at taking territory on map: Mutalisk harass Looks like they got AA! Only need 1 tech building for tech switch I forgot to DL the maphax! Creep tumors I didnt scout for cloaking tech: 17 second overseer morph Protoss Army out of position to defend probe harass: 5 second warp in Forgot to rally troops Warp Gates I hate hotkeying my buildings: Press W for all warpgates Slacked on continually building probes: Chrono Boost on nexus Slacked on upgrades: Chrono Boost spam Forget to bring back worker after building: probes dont have to stay to construct OMG Zerg and Protoss are easy mode! Youre playing the idiotic game that all those youtube SC2 players do: list the perks of a race and claim that theyre OP/easymode. Anyone can do that for any race. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
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