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I don't know if this thread belongs to this section, please move it to another seciton if it's wrong.
I'm an American Chinese and I find most English / Chinese commentators address players by their game ID's instead of their real names.
On the other hand I sometimes listen to Korean streams and find Korean commentators addressing players by their IRL names: When I watch WCG Starcraft games the Korean commentators address foreign players as "Gregu Fields" (IdrA) or "Sha Jun Chun" (PJ)". Of course they might have difficulty pronouncing some foreigner's names (like Eastern European names) and pronounce their ID instead they still try hard to address them by their real names.
There's a fuss after GSL Season 2 with foreign Foxer fans QQ'ing about him not fulfilling his promise to change to Foxer or changing to lame ID's like Optimus. But many of my Korean firneds don't really care since Foxer will always be remembered by his real name "Lee Jyung Hoo" as he was introduced by the commentators in tournaments .
I'm making this thread since I'm generally concerned of the development of the non-Korean e-sports scene. In many sports ecents players are introduced by their names+family names with respect. Only crappy entertainment events like WWE address players by their nicknames (Undertaker, Triple H etc...) as opposed to let's say UFC. Should the English speaking community address e-sports players by their real real names?
I personally find addressing players by their real names more respectful and professional, but it probably has more to do with Korean manners..
I would like you hear your thoughts, it will be great with Koreans sharing their thoughts as well
Poll: How should we address players in LAN events / tournaments?Their game ID's (169) 78% Their real names (49) 22% 218 total votes Your vote: How should we address players in LAN events / tournaments? (Vote): Their game ID's
(Vote): Their real names
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If you know the "guy/girl" you can adress them by their names if ur in ventrilo. I think personaly that if someone says "SiGurD" to me in vent it feels kinda geeky. But people who doesnt know me or if you talk to someone u should say "Sigurd" just so people would know because its kinda hard to remember everyones irl name imo.
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I think using real names is a good step to help esports grow. By using their real names i think people make more of a personal connection rather then just using some nerd handle. also it makes things seem more legitimate
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I would prefer real name addressing.
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I'm on the side of calling them by their game handles. That's the area they're in, and they picked their ID because that was how they wanted to be known by the community.
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who cares seriously
I doubt if we call Greg by his ID Idra it will slow down e-sports development.
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On November 25 2010 22:39 petzergling wrote:
I think using real names is a good step to help esports grow. By using their real names i think people make more of a personal connection rather then just using some nerd handle. also it makes things seem more legitimate
Lets take an example which is a problem sometimes. If 2-5 (example) has the same name? What would you say then? isnt it much easier just to say like "DIMAGA, Strelok" its a "gaming community"
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50790 Posts
When addressing in:
First person:Name
Third Person: ID
hope this answers your question. :D
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On November 25 2010 22:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
When addressing in:
First person:Name
Third Person: ID
hope this answers your question. :D
I agree with this. I find it extremely awkward when Tastosis call each other by their nicknames, rather than their given first names.
On the other hand, making a cool ID and getting known by it is a cool way to pay homage to a clan or a sponsor.
In the Quake scene, pro players usually set their clantag to the sponsor's company name.
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I've been saying the same thing for a long time: real names are less confusing and more professional.
Part of the reason why Brood War is so successful as a spectator sport has to do with the professionalism involved in its presentation. When foreign e-sports commentators are referring to our players in what probably sounds like geeky nerd lingo to non-gamers, it doesn't exactly help to improve the general view of e-sports. In Korea, you will find people who watch Brood War that don't even play video games. Wouldn't it be cool if the same could be said for foreign e-sports?
Players change their ID every now and then, and it gets pretty confusing when people are referring to the same person by different nicknames. And of course some players have the same ID as older players such as "foxer" and "fake yellow". Real names totally avoids this annoying confusion.
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On November 25 2010 22:44 SiGurD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 22:39 petzergling wrote:
I think using real names is a good step to help esports grow. By using their real names i think people make more of a personal connection rather then just using some nerd handle. also it makes things seem more legitimate Lets take an example which is a problem sometimes. If 2-5 (example) has the same name? What would you say then? isnt it much easier just to say like "DIMAGA, Strelok" its a "gaming community"
I dont see how thats any different then two people having the same gamertag... there will always be ways around it
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One problem is that Korean names are notoriously hard to remember for us westerners. The only one I remember is Lim Yo-Hwan.
But I agree with OP that it would be preferable to switch to use real life names.
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I'd think it should be ID's unless you are directly talking to them in an interview or something. I also prefer ID's in casts because Korean names are really difficult for western cultures to distinguish from each other (as a generalization).
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Being Korean and having watched e-sports casted in Korea, I'm just used to having players referred to by their real names. Sometimes I have to look up the handles to figure out who we're talking about on TL. However, as the the majority of TL users would have difficult with Korean names.. I think we should just continue using game ID.. (
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The only reason western people called Korean progamers by their IDs was because it was easier. Now it's become habit.
Is it a bad thing? I dunno, I really can't see myself learning a whole bunch of korean names. But then again I'm lazy.
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I think it's inevitable. there are some things on which we dont have to compromise(i.e. the way events are covered- mostly through community effort on the forums) because they are part of the progress but names is something were "born" with.
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honestly if people wanted to be called by their real name they would use it as their ID
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On November 25 2010 23:06 silentreality wrote:
Being Korean and having watched e-sports casted in Korea, I'm just used to having players referred to by their real names. Sometimes I have to look up the handles to figure out who we're talking about on TL. However, as the the majority of TL users would have difficult with Korean names.. I think we should just continue using game ID.. (
Really the only people who would need to pronounce the names correctly at first are our English commentators. Once they do that, everyone else will simply imitate them. Korean names really aren't that difficult, come on.
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On November 25 2010 23:10 Polygamy wrote:
honestly if people wanted to be called by their real name they would use it as their ID
QFT. For example, I have my first name in my xbox live gamertag... because I personally find it awkward to be called something else by voice. Where in a game that doesn't promote as much voice chat, I don't care as much. (As evident by my current handle LOL)
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On November 25 2010 23:00 NeVeR wrote:
I've been saying the same thing for a long time: real names are less confusing and more professional.
Part of the reason why Brood War is so successful as a spectator sport has to do with the professionalism involved in its presentation. When foreign e-sports commentators are referring to our players in what probably sounds like geeky nerd lingo to non-gamers, it doesn't exactly help to improve the general view of e-sports. In Korea, you will find people who watch Brood War that don't even play video games. Wouldn't it be cool if the same could be said for foreign e-sports?
Players change their ID every now and then, and it gets pretty confusing when people are referring to the same person by different nicknames. And of course some players have the same ID as older players such as "foxer" and "fake yellow". Real names totally avoids this annoying confusion.
Agree, even chess players and poker players have their name addressed, why not RTS players? It is ok to address for online events, but saying it in LAN is a bit awkward
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On November 25 2010 23:10 Polygamy wrote:
honestly if people wanted to be called by their real name they would use it as their ID
thats true.
You see, we call Jaedong Jaedong 
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On November 25 2010 23:10 Polygamy wrote:
honestly if people wanted to be called by their real name they would use it as their ID
most people's names wouldnt fit into ID box.
Also allowing teenagers to pick what they want to be called by results in testies and nexcrements
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Also I'm not talking about foreign commentators + korean players, even korean playres call foreign players of their ID's if they have problems pronouncing it. But I'm talking about local English speaking tournaments which is more about the non-korean e-sports event.
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
Not that I'm going to be making an appearance on the pro scene or anything, but if I did, I would prefer to be called by my ID. When talking on Skype with friends from ICCup, I always use their IDs, and I did the same thing even when talking to people face to face at a LAN a little while ago. I find nothing awkward about it. This might partly also be because I'm a bit paranoid about using my real name with people from the internet though.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50790 Posts
On November 25 2010 23:18 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 23:10 Polygamy wrote:
honestly if people wanted to be called by their real name they would use it as their ID thats true. You see, we call Jaedong Jaedong
Jaedong is Jae-Dong
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Some of the BW progamers I actually call them by their real names out loud. Probably got used to the commentators screaming "LEE JAE DONG" or "LEE YOUNG HO"
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On November 25 2010 23:11 NeVeR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 23:06 silentreality wrote:
Being Korean and having watched e-sports casted in Korea, I'm just used to having players referred to by their real names. Sometimes I have to look up the handles to figure out who we're talking about on TL. However, as the the majority of TL users would have difficult with Korean names.. I think we should just continue using game ID.. ( Really the only people who would need to pronounce the names correctly at first are our English commentators. Once they do that, everyone else will simply imitate them. Korean names really aren't that difficult, come on.
Some names are extremely difficult to pronounce. Just from personal experience, I've had people seriously butcher my Korean name when I lived in the US. When I do business overseas I'm generally just referred to as Mr Kim because my business counterparts just can't pronounce my Korean name.. even though everybody else was on a first name basis.
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How about BOTH the ID and the real name in the presentation? Afterwards, you can always refere to them by their ID.
Jason Lee did this very professionally during his time in the GSL
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i think its much much easier and a lot more simple to remember the "ID" instead of everyones "irl names" no one can say otherwise since everyone has been doing this for ages and ages.
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On November 25 2010 23:27 LittleeD wrote:
How about BOTH the ID and the real name, in the presentation? Afterwards, you can always refere to them by their ID.
Jason Lee did this very professionally during his time in the GSL
This, atleast say their names when you introduce them before the match starts.
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Regardless of what members of the English speaking Starcraft community thinks, I'm pretty sure your average person would relate better to professional gamers being referred to by their real names, at least in addition to their gamer tags, when they reach a professional level.
Someone else mentioned it before, but if you want Starcraft to be mainstream you might want to think about whether you want it to be like a normal sport such as soccer or football or like professional wrestling.
Korean e-sport seems to be a mix of both.
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On November 25 2010 23:31 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 23:27 LittleeD wrote:
How about BOTH the ID and the real name, in the presentation? Afterwards, you can always refere to them by their ID.
Jason Lee did this very professionally during his time in the GSL This, atleast say their names when you introduce them before the match starts.
This actually! I agree
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my nick is shorter to spell then my real name, so i am called everywhere the same (was even calld in school by my nickname by most of the other people). I prefer what sounds better, and those are really often the ingame nicks, since they are a bit more individual.
People are lazy, so they'll just go with whats easier.
in bigger tourneys its good though to have the real name + nick as introducing words.
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The reason why people say Korean names are hard is probably due to the fact that the romanization of the language is retarded. Once people hear the names repeatedly pronounced correctly, they should be able to remember correctly.
On November 25 2010 23:10 Polygamy wrote:
honestly if people wanted to be called by their real name they would use it as their ID
Pretty naive statement. The professional e-sports scene is a completely different atmosphere than casually playing online, alone in your room. Nicknames are cool for online anonymity, but when you're exposed to a professional environment, there are obviously deeper considerations. Plus there can be no more anonymity at that level no matter how you look at it: everyone already knows who you are. It's just a matter of what name people are using to refer to you.
Do you really think the top SC2 gamers give a fuck about having their real names used? Ask any of them, I'm betting they don't. And they shouldn't if they're serious about professional gaming.
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I prefer using real names over in-game IDs if you know the person personally at all, however if you're just meeting someone for the first time or are just getting to know someone, you should address them by their IDs.
I see it like this, when you meet someone named say, "William" in real life, most of the time they have a nickname. You basically call them William unless they ask you call them something else such as "Bill" or "Will". I feel the same applies to esports, you should call them by their ID until they introduce yourself in a personal setting. However when casting or reporting, I think it should be IDs or full names.
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I personally prefer IDs, it just sounds better, is more convenient and is actually kinda unique. It can sound pretty ridiculous sometimes but those are also the moments where puns are made and good mood is spread.
So all in all, I really like that about e-sports and hope IDs won't go away.
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depends on their popularity
I mean, take korean progamers, some good and somewhat accomplished progamers like Han Bang Song and Kim Dae Yeob, people wont recognize even though theyll make epic puns with their name
(Kwanlings, kwanrolllllled and chinlots and chintoss respectively)
But if I say Kim Teak Yong, Lim Yo Hwan, Lee Jae Dong or Lee Young Ho everybody will know who I talk about
why isnt there a "both" option ? 
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I voted for IDs in the poll, but I'd like to say +1 for the idea of calling their real name as they walk out on stage and in interviews, but using their ID when referring to things happening in-game. It gives the professional image of real names, but also keeps the idea that the player is 'known' not by their real name, but by the name (ID) they have chosen.
When I'm not playing I'm just John Johnson or w/e, but when I'm in SC2, my name is Hexaflex.
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The $85,000 GSL check is made out to the player, not the ID
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I would say by game id even at lan's and stuff. Makes it easier and you also feel like a super hero!
Cheques are always made out to your real name because bank's don't let you open an account in a name that is not your real name.
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Why use their real names especially on camera, it can be confusing for people. Just pick a name you want to be called, have everyone call you that and be done with it. I think it is pretty simple. It gets confusing when some people call you by your real name, some call you by ur I.D., and some just call you a fag. lol sorry I had to throw that in as a shout out to my team luls. Anyway, if everyone is calling someone by their I.D., it is just common sense to do that as well.
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Sweden5554 Posts
I don't see any issue with calling someone by their chosen gamer-tag. if they want to be known by their name they'll just name themselves Teeler or whatever it may be.
Using players "gamertags" for e-sports is the norm in the west. Or well for online gaming at all, I know from talking with people online playing games when you talk to them on vent you call them by their gamertags or the name of their avatars (in the case of rpg games).
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As a pure spectator, Id rather have the nick rather than the full name. The idea that a player gets to choose their name is very appealing to me. And like it or not, sc2 as an esport has much more in common with individual sports, such as wrestling, than team sports like football.
Choosing your own name within the community goes along with the highly individualized nature of sc2. Maybe if there's ever a big sc2 proleague that could change, but not the way the scene is now.
I would also dispute that "normal" people would be turned off by nicks. Even the least tech savvy people have their own nicks for stuff like email and IM. I feel that the use of nicks meshes very well with the computerized nature of sc2.
I will admit though, that the most important thing is for the community to pick one or the other and stick with it. I was never put off by nicks, however it is incredibly annoying to need to know both in order to follow a specific player. The switching back and forth on stuff like sotg is annoying as heck until you get used to it.
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In private channels, I'd prefer people call me by my name.
However, there is a reason I made a Game ID, and it sure isn't for it to be ignored in lieu of my name.
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Calgary25997 Posts
I think it's really cool that they go by their tags. I actually really don't like it when I hear people call them Dan, Nick, Greg, Sean, etc.
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I dont mind becasue i think that its nice to think about the person instead of thier account name or w/e. However i also think that some people may just prefer to call them by there gamer ID as they are playing a game! I wouldn't mind ether and different commentators can do which ever they like i think this would add more variatly to commentary. Or mabye they could just say it as context, its up to the person imo.
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I like real names to introduce a player before a match and during interviews and IDs during games and on the forums. I think its a sign of esports being more than a game when i hear the real names of the players but i think using IDs is the best when your outside of tournaments and interviews.
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