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Many people do not know SeleCt and his history in terms of gaming. After Winning the WCGs, he moved on to new Prey.
The dota community.
Select, after only 8 months, was featured on the Top NA team, AzN. This team (if anyone here has any dota knowledge) featured Remarkable players like NADOTAFEEDStyle]Enigma, Nirvana_Bencher]March, and AzN_noob|Ezzy.
Their biggest feat as a team was lasting for a Month and reaching new heights in the Dota league, International Dota Elite Community in terms of wins.
Their other biggest feat was beating the team Aeon, featuring the starcraft 2 player, ICEICEICE. and other big names in the Dota community.
Here is the replay
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/23913
After a month, team Azn disbanded, due to the stylings of a certain girl called Minju Han and her relationship with the team captain, NADOTAFEEDStyle]Enigma.
After a break from Dota, select continued again rejoining competitive team on a remake of Team AzN.
This team reached new heights in the na dota scene, beating teams such as Blight.usa featuring Korok as Shadowfiend, the American prodigy.
They even won the competition known as SECS 3 times in a row but unfortunately lost a week where their main Star, AzN|ken disappeared and resulted in AzN|Biscaya playing the main carry role. Lets just say, that week was the embarrasment of Azn|select's dota career but they quickly came back to win more games.
here are a few replays of AzN(the new and improved) in action taking on the famous Loda and his crew of Elite stars in the dota community.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/31364
However, the impact of Select in the nadota scene has not been told yet. Let us just say that Select made many enemies in the scene. From lowly individuals like x9.naruto to individuals like M!ss who even went so far as to create a rap song featuring Select, and calling it a "Full diss to select"
Select's impact on gaming as a whole has been revolutionary, reaching new heights in Dota, Dawn of war, and now Starcraft 2. Lets clap this Beast of a man as he continues his quest as a Starcraft 2 American pro gamer.
http://media.nadota.com/other/Full Diss to Select.mp3
P.S. this is a story from one of the players of AzN and teammates with Select. (Ownage-Juice is Weird)
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impressive how he was been a top player in so many games, guy is indeed a pr0-gamer
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Yes smokin, another add.
After joining sc2, select quit team azn, and they reached new slumps in Wins losing to lowerr teams in the nadota scene.
His impact has surely been enormous in the Na dota community.
This is just a shoutout to our community's favorite player and wish him good luck in Starcraft 2.
here is a replay with the new Azn, without select, losing to a lower skilled but surely high potential team, TLDR.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/34389
Unfortunately, AzN|Ken had a "bad day' to say the least in this game
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not sure why this is in sc2 forum but yeah i followed dota a little bit and have heard of Select and his team before.
Found it funny that he has never mentioned it in his interviews at all.
Although Dota community is extremely bad mannered in general ( the nature of the game made it so) so can't blame him for that.
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Dtz, its so that select and his history gets more known. he has made a huge impact in many games and it deserves to be Told to the fans of his in Teamliquid.
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Haha what is it with american pro's and their haters. Interesting read, never knew he came from DotA.
E: login is required to read the lyrics.
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Just listen to the Song, i posted the Link.Most of it is actually dota references to both players and heroes so i doubt you would compare but the Chorus is nice.
His nickname in the dota community was actually "Deselected"
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I thought he was Korean and only in the US for a short while?
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Bwahaha, that rap is hilarious.
"He think's he's logical...If you want to fight bitch, come to Toronto."
"1v1? I had to lose intentionally, so I can write this diss and be a bully"
Who is this "M!ss" guy? I have to meet him and let him know what rhythm is.
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no disco, he has been here for around 2 years already. Most of it was actually playing Dota, then switching to starcraft 2 when i gave him a Beta key. Lets just say that in Dota, he played the "micro heroes" like Chen and after watching him play, i knew he had potential in sc2. so part of the reason he started sc2 was cause of me 
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azn were average really, what "top team in american dota"?
select was never good. engima_200# could only farm with morph. the only good american-korean was shaang/biscaya/drew kim and march.
the top american team was EG/coL./bfb and usually consisted of feardarkness, merlini, demon and march. select would be a beginner compared to them.
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SeleCT was quite the fire breather in the NA dota community. Always wondered why he wanted to avoid his rather colorful history. I guess he wanted to maintain a professional image with a fresh start 
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Well he started by beating Idra in beta so yeah I would say that it's a fresh start
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Shadymmj, i doubt that. March showed his play by constantly underperforming on team Nirvana and lets just say Biscaya's time to shine was overshadowed by many other players in the scene such as Microorgg, Kainin, D.shady, and Power.net
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awesome
I dont get why the teammates at azn all had different tags to their names though
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Don't care about his dota "career" altho i find it interesting!
I just wanna know how can a guy that lives in the USA for 2 years speaks english so poorly and almost doesn't have any vocabulary?
Maybe because he stayed in his house playing games :D at least his good in those games hehe
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biscaya was shaang. shaang was 2nd best tda player after feardarkness in 2004-2005 (?) if my memory is correct. overall he was a very good player in his prime who could keep up with the innovation of fear, merlini and remstar when competitive dota was still young.
i think march needs a bit more credit, he took the support/gank role usually in a team that had the biggest superstars and delivered at worst decent performances. he is not an awesome support but he did his job well. don't look to him for lategamers.
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shell, he actually has decent English. I have spoken to him many times on vent and he just spoke poorly in the interview because obviously he was nervous.
Shadymmj, unfortunately, the older pros of the dota scene just do not have the individual skill to keep up with todays players.
kind of like brood war in terms of South korea. Jaedong or Flash (newer players) would crush the older pros. Yes they were old and they were considered legends cause of the kind of innovation they brought to the game. Not as much Raw skill in terms of today's players.
Same accords to biscaya. His prime was shortlived and irrelevant.
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Actually SelecT was best known for, at least in europe, as a warcraft 3 progamer. He was in sk-gaming for a good period of time. Played Night Elf if i recall correctly.
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Alexdelarge, actually the dota community exceeds the warcraft 3 community, Tenfold in terms of size.. So in comparison, for the community, he has a lot more fans in the dota Community.
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That dude raping about select needs to stop raping wow....so bad
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On November 17 2010 03:19 shadymmj wrote:
biscaya was shaang. shaang was 2nd best tda player after feardarkness in 2004-2005 (?) if my memory is correct. overall he was a very good player in his prime who could keep up with the innovation of fear, merlini and remstar when competitive dota was still young.
i think march needs a bit more credit, he took the support/gank role usually in a team that had the biggest superstars and delivered at worst decent performances. he is not an awesome support but he did his job well. don't look to him for lategamers.
I don't remember Remstar being any good at all. I remember him dong articles in competitive Dota and leading a team at one point (or being apart of one, its been a long time since I've heard these names), but as a Dota player he was never the best of the best. Certainly not the level of fear.
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didn't shaang's mom literally destroy his computer because he was failing school?
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hahaha select select deselect select
nice satire
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Helloson, unfortunatley yes..
Shaang's mom was known as the achilles heel for Shaang. Lets just say his one weakness is the Constant Fights with his Mom.
Not as ferocious as Ken and his Uncle but truly a Wish washy scenario between Him and his mom
Anyways back to Select, Lets cheer him on guys!
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man, that is one terrible song. i only made it about 20 seconds in before it started to hurt my ears. Therefore, you must post lyrics, because i want to know all the dirt on most favoritest SC2 player 
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Thanks for bringing up all this info, it was good to read this little history about him.
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On November 17 2010 03:22 InteGrated wrote:
Alexdelarge, actually the dota community exceeds the warcraft 3 community, Tenfold in terms of size.. So in comparison, for the community, he has a lot more fans in the dota Community.
Now, maybe. I'm talking about 2004 times, back when wc3 was surging, and there was hardly a dota community at that time.
Also, you can't really compare the two games in terms of greatness. Wc3 was a 1v1 game, thus players gained a lot more recognition for their skill. Also, it was a lot harder than dota and with probably 100 times more prizemoney involved.
Moon and Lyn, just a couple of examples, had each individual years where they won over 120k from tournaments, on top of the fact that they had 5-12k monthly salary.
I don't think there is any dota player in history who made more than 20k in his whole career, prizemoney & salaries combined.
Yes, the conclusion is logical. Dota is a joke game for competitive e-sports. It's only appeal was that noobs and rejects from other top e-sports enjoyed it a lot, being an easy, social game - with hardly any thinking involved.
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he's korean after all so no suprise
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^Now i wouldn't go so far as bashing Dota that hard. There is skill in that game but it mostly teamwork and execution that the team can do. That said yes Dota is kind of a joke game for an e-sports, mainly because of the people playing it and also how not-spectator-friendly it is...
I heard of Select a few times when i was still following the Dota scene, he didn't really make much of an impact though...
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Dota actually has bigger tournaments than WC 3 these days, and higher prizes too since the WCG stopped paying out that much for WC 3 - part of the reason there is an exodus of WC 3 players to SC 2. The problem is that, like Counter-Strike, you have to divide the prize money by the number of people on the team (5). CS has a lot more prize money as a result (up to ~$250,000), but there isn't enough money in Dota to do the same.
But in terms of popularity Dota is definitely more popular than any of the games we're talking about, including SC 2, so I actually foresee a bright future for Dota eSports given how many companies are now in the business of making Dota-like games, and even Blizzard is starting to pay a lot of attention. Surely one of them can make it more spectator friendly and competitive.
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On November 17 2010 03:36 AlexDeLarge wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:22 InteGrated wrote:
Alexdelarge, actually the dota community exceeds the warcraft 3 community, Tenfold in terms of size.. So in comparison, for the community, he has a lot more fans in the dota Community. Now, maybe. I'm talking about 2004 times, back when wc3 was surging, and there was hardly a dota community at that time. Also, you can't really compare the two games in terms of greatness. Wc3 was a 1v1 game, thus players gained a lot more recognition for their skill. Also, it was a lot harder than dota and with probably 100 times more prizemoney involved. Moon and Lyn, just a couple of examples, had each individual years where they won over 120k from tournaments, on top of the fact that they had 5-12k monthly salary. I don't think there is any dota player in history who made more than 20k in his whole career, prizemoney & salaries combined. Yes, the conclusion is logical. Dota is a joke game for competitive e-sports. It's only appeal was that noobs and rejects from other top e-sports enjoyed it a lot, being an easy, social game - with hardly any thinking involved.
That is so far from the truth. DotA was a game where individual skill, regardless of it being a team game, was quite apparent from player to player. It is also not an easy game by any stretch, the vast majority of the top players have been the same top players for a good few years, there have been very few new players that have been able to make it regardless of the fact that the game has grown almost exponentially. Skill is a demanded aspect on DotA, and is probably why competitive Dota never grew a ton, you hardly got to see any new faces.
But the thing to note about Dota is that it was never a great spectator sport, DotA was a game that served the people who played it rather than the people who liked to watch it...
But last I played dota was a few years ago, but back then on GG Client (I think its Garena these days?) there were 300k people on at any given time playing Dota.
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Since the website requires a login, could you just post what was said in quotations please?
also, Did not realize that SeleCT was such a jack of all trades. Apparently he just has what it takes to be a great gamer, whatever that may be.
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On November 17 2010 03:55 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:Since the website requires a login, could you just post what was said in quotations please? also, Did not realize that SeleCT was such a jack of all trades. Apparently he just has what it takes to be a great gamer, whatever that may be.
post is very long and hard to understand. Kids need to stop with the run-on sentences.
+ Show Spoiler +hi guys, i was playing under azn|ceylon and i would just like to announce that gdt indeed played well and gj to gdt, and that game is probably the last game you guys will see me play since i have realized that moving forward in dota will only cause you to hate the game and will take away all the fun you will ever have in the game. And for select, he is a real joke. Other then his micro skills hes just a subpar player. Okay give him something that involves more then 1 unit and maybe he might be able to impress you but other then that.......And this guy is the captain of the team but he can't lead anything or barely even talks in vent which is a crucial thing for the captain to do if the team is supposed to be anywhere near succesful. All he does is flame or gets disappointed when everything doesn't go his way and he doesn't flame everyone, just one person on the team and then it gets really hard for that player to continue to play without being discouraged. Like everygame i would play with him he would find a way to flame me mostly, even when the carry hero goes and gets picked off, ohhh guess what, its still my fault and when im not playing i seen that everygame he would begin to flame ken even for things he hasn't done. How does a team grow if your ally likes to flame a player on the team guysss. You guys think hes really good with chen, panda, and enchantress but its not worth having a player who can't speak on vent and lead the team, the mastermind of the team is really ezzy who actually calls most of the shots and leads the team basically, you think im out of position here to say anything about him but truth is it don't matter~~~~I DONT PLAY ANYMORE WOOO> i realized again how stupid this brainwashing game is and how fucking addicting it is to and what bad influence it has on people.
Since march of last year i only been playing dota again for about 2 and a half months and i realized the competetive scene is a joke, especially when people can't take loses, and because of people like select the game will never grow out of its shell.
Anyways it was fun playing in SaP and with team xaxa aka AzN while it lasted, and thanks select for making me hate this game so now i can actually resume my life and start enjoying it again >.
Shoutouts to KEN(beSt NA farmer), EZzy(amazing player), drew, sam... Power.Net, Umbreongopewpew, Live, Persian_prince, INK and everyone in his vent (best vent ever!) also everyone else in the dota community, i loved all you guys wooo.
P.S. Hope AzN last long, but highly doubt with SelecT that is possible, but you guys think he is a really core player of the team because he can play 3 heros really well so i think its just going to end up dieing.
P.S.S Biggest mistake of my life was going to ebgames 3 months ago to buy wc3 again because i wanted to play dota...
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TBH, WC 3 is even worse of a spectator sport than Dota. The battles look non-sensible to anyone but those who understand the game very well, and the skill displayed is often lost in the chaos of masses of units clumped up together in remarkably slow-paced battles (compared to SC and SC 2). You practically need health bars on to actually appreciate WC 3 skill. There is also nothing exciting about the initial stages of the game and in fact laning in Dota is more fun to watch than neutral creeping in WC 3. And there really isn't a "macro" to speak of in WC 3.
So, given that WC 3 is considered a relatively successful eSport, I see no reason why Dota can't be the same. The key is having a lot of Dota players who are interested in watching the game competitively - because at the end of the day that is the drive for all eSports - the interest of the actual players of those games...
... And Dota has by far the largest community of gamers among all the Blizzard-derived eSports, maybe even the largest community in general (though I'm not sure about the numbers for CS and Halo).
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and heres select's response
+ Show Spoiler +First, I was leading my team so well today with our real members except the final match because u were saying unnecessary things too much Second, I never accepted u on my team. I don't know why did u come up with Azn Tag. At the beginning, I think it wasnt bad as I thought since u were trying to learn something but u took the lesson as a flame. Third,I know Im not good but u r garbage. Last, http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/replays/31461 this is how u play babysit warlock However, yea..you really took the lesson as a flame too bad for u I think u got too cocky because u got first place on sap but.. u know mass game get #1 on sap. Im gonna say it honestly. You don't even know how to play one single hero correctly. To be honest, today was the first time I flamed u and also Im the only person who said that as a representative on my team. Honestly, no one liked to play with u. According to ur comment, if I am the flammer on my team as a leader why would my team players stay with me? :S? I don't flame my teammates for small reason. You should stop lying dude. I take my lose when ppl played the game correctly but u? no comment not even single game u have done well except for making a noise on the vent Have u realized that when u don't play with us the vent, and game moods are so good? Anyway good luck on ur life To GDT. Well played guys we could have done alot better with our real 5 members but unfortunately ken internet connection got broke and eventually we used ringer :O Congrats.
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I don't blame SeleCt for insulting this M!ss guy. Lil Wayne can beat M!ss in a freestyle rap battle.
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Yeah, I have talked some with SeleCt some time ago, always liked him... he was actually pretty decent at DotA, but I guess he just didn't put enough effort into it to actually obtain a lot of fans.
He's doing pretty good in sc2 now tho, so I guess I can't blame him. SeleCt, you made me proud :3
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On November 17 2010 04:03 The_13abyKnight wrote:
Yeah, I have talked some with SeleCt some time ago, always liked him... he was actually pretty decent at DotA, but I guess he just didn't put enough effort into it to actually obtain a lot of fans.
He's doing pretty good in sc2 now tho, so I guess I can't blame him. SeleCt, you made me proud :3
OMG HI JON :D I MISSED YOU
anyways yeah, whenever i talked to select or played with him hes always been a cool guy
select fighting! gsl4 np!
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i love seeing all these names that I know from other games come to the sc2 community. I remember AzN.SeleCT's meepo from dota and eg.syckness scout from tf2 and it's really bizarre to see them go to mlgs and stuff
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wow this is interesting, never knew he played dota!
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On November 17 2010 04:03 The_13abyKnight wrote:
Yeah, I have talked some with SeleCt some time ago, always liked him... he was actually pretty decent at DotA, but I guess he just didn't put enough effort into it to actually obtain a lot of fans.
He's doing pretty good in sc2 now tho, so I guess I can't blame him. SeleCt, you made me proud :3
So, what I understood from this is: SeleCt quitted DotA like a real boss and now ballin in SC2. Holy Shit.
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On November 17 2010 03:24 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:19 shadymmj wrote:
biscaya was shaang. shaang was 2nd best tda player after feardarkness in 2004-2005 (?) if my memory is correct. overall he was a very good player in his prime who could keep up with the innovation of fear, merlini and remstar when competitive dota was still young.
i think march needs a bit more credit, he took the support/gank role usually in a team that had the biggest superstars and delivered at worst decent performances. he is not an awesome support but he did his job well. don't look to him for lategamers. I don't remember Remstar being any good at all. I remember him dong articles in competitive Dota and leading a team at one point (or being apart of one, its been a long time since I've heard these names), but as a Dota player he was never the best of the best. Certainly not the level of fear.
JohnnyUtah used to be considered the best naix in the world back when i was playing in NA-IHL on garena in 2008/2009. And I remember select playing in NA-IHL too but I don't remember anything particularly notable about his skill other than the fact that he still had over 300 apm every game as a dota player.
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SeleCT never made it big as a Dota pro but you gotta give the guy props for having participated in so many eSports scenes - WH40k, WC 3, Dota, SC 2, etc. - and making a huge splash in quite a few of them.
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On November 17 2010 04:08 NonSenSeWins wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:24 Dommk wrote:On November 17 2010 03:19 shadymmj wrote:
biscaya was shaang. shaang was 2nd best tda player after feardarkness in 2004-2005 (?) if my memory is correct. overall he was a very good player in his prime who could keep up with the innovation of fear, merlini and remstar when competitive dota was still young.
i think march needs a bit more credit, he took the support/gank role usually in a team that had the biggest superstars and delivered at worst decent performances. he is not an awesome support but he did his job well. don't look to him for lategamers. I don't remember Remstar being any good at all. I remember him dong articles in competitive Dota and leading a team at one point (or being apart of one, its been a long time since I've heard these names), but as a Dota player he was never the best of the best. Certainly not the level of fear. JohnnyUtah used to be considered the best naix in the world back when i was playing in NA-IHL on garena in 2008/2009. And I remember select playing in NA-IHL too but I don't remember anything particularly notable about his skill other than the fact that he still had over 300 apm every game as a dota player.
Inphinity>Johnnyutah by 10x. inphinity has his own Dota WD instructional video out. he has more fans as well
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If nobody posted it yet (I didn't see it) here's the diss on SeleCT
hi guys, i was playing under azn|ceylon and i would just like to announce that gdt indeed played well and gj to gdt, and that game is probably the last game you guys will see me play since i have realized that moving forward in dota will only cause you to hate the game and will take away all the fun you will ever have in the game. And for select, he is a real joke. Other then his micro skills hes just a subpar player. Okay give him something that involves more then 1 unit and maybe he might be able to impress you but other then that.......And this guy is the captain of the team but he can't lead anything or barely even talks in vent which is a crucial thing for the captain to do if the team is supposed to be anywhere near succesful. All he does is flame or gets disappointed when everything doesn't go his way and he doesn't flame everyone, just one person on the team and then it gets really hard for that player to continue to play without being discouraged. Like everygame i would play with him he would find a way to flame me mostly, even when the carry hero goes and gets picked off, ohhh guess what, its still my fault and when im not playing i seen that everygame he would begin to flame ken even for things he hasn't done. How does a team grow if your ally likes to flame a player on the team guysss. You guys think hes really good with chen, panda, and enchantress but its not worth having a player who can't speak on vent and lead the team, the mastermind of the team is really ezzy who actually calls most of the shots and leads the team basically, you think im out of position here to say anything about him but truth is it don't matter~~~~I DONT PLAY ANYMORE WOOO> i realized again how stupid this brainwashing game is and how fucking addicting it is to and what bad influence it has on people. Since march of last year i only been playing dota again for about 2 and a half months and i realized the competetive scene is a joke, especially when people can't take loses, and because of people like select the game will never grow out of its shell. Anyways it was fun playing in SaP and with team xaxa aka AzN while it lasted, and thanks select for making me hate this game so now i can actually resume my life and start enjoying it again >. Shoutouts to KEN(beSt NA farmer), EZzy(amazing player), drew, sam... Power.Net, Umbreongopewpew, Live, Persian_prince, INK and everyone in his vent  (best vent ever!) also everyone else in the dota community, i loved all you guys wooo. P.S. Hope AzN last long, but highly doubt with SelecT that is possible, but you guys think he is a really core player of the team because he can play 3 heros really well so i think its just going to end up dieing. P.S.S Biggest mistake of my life was going to ebgames 3 months ago to buy wc3 again because i wanted to play dota...
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chronoboost, the diss on select is in the Song i linked in the Original Post.
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i must be invisible or something. QQ
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On November 17 2010 04:24 InteGrated wrote:
chronoboost, the diss on select is in the Song i linked in the Original Post.
Oh my bad, I was just posting the text from that site which required a login
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On November 17 2010 04:01 Azarkon wrote:
TBH, WC 3 is even worse of a spectator sport than Dota. The battles look non-sensible to anyone but those who understand the game very well, and the skill displayed is often lost in the chaos of masses of units clumped up together in remarkably slow-paced battles (compared to SC and SC 2). You practically need health bars on to actually appreciate WC 3 skill. There is also nothing exciting about the initial stages of the game and in fact laning in Dota is more fun to watch than neutral creeping in WC 3. And there really isn't a "macro" to speak of in WC 3.
So, given that WC 3 is considered a relatively successful eSport, I see no reason why Dota can't be the same. The key is having a lot of Dota players who are interested in watching the game competitively - because at the end of the day that is the drive for all eSports - the interest of the actual players of those games...
... And Dota has by far the largest community of gamers among all the Blizzard-derived eSports, maybe even the largest community in general (though I'm not sure about the numbers for CS and Halo).
Well said, dota is easily more popular in many parts of Asia (Besides Japan / Korea) than any of the the other games you listed. It's not uncommon for high profile tournaments to draw in 10k+ viewers OUTSIDE of china (China is by far the biggest Dota viewing country). Yes, it is definitely kind of dry until you learn the game, but there are already players in the 8 digits who know the game and are potential audiences.
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definitely agree with 5-s, 5s nice intuition with your response. Also Azarkon, your points is very key on illustrating why Dota is a game for the People and not as much for spectating. but in terms of spectating. a lot of peole stillwatch. Recently the WDC (world dota championships) drew a lot of attention. some streams had over 20-25k people watching and that does not include the people in China watching. i'd say nearly around 10-15 million people just in china watch.
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NA dota ? are u srs?
NA dota is the worst dota
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Hahaha, alex is 100% right, and no dota absolutely does not have larger tournaments than wc3, They do have a bigger userbase, no doubt, dota has been more populair playing wise than wc3 for atleast a few years now, yet There is atleast every year 1 wc3 player who earned more than all first place dota tournaments combined, thats the truth :D and yes, Select is ,for anyone who's been around in e-sports a long time, a Wc3 player, not dota, nor dow, he switched to Dawn of war after the MBC Scandal with mapfixing, in which he was very dissapointed but a side of that, he was a _good_ wc3 player, but not TOP TOP, no Moon, No dayfly, No Reign/Check no madfrog/grubby/tod back then
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NA has never been any good at dota anyway 
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On November 17 2010 03:18 shell wrote:
Don't care about his dota "career" altho i find it interesting!
I just wanna know how can a guy that lives in the USA for 2 years speaks english so poorly and almost doesn't have any vocabulary?
Maybe because he stayed in his house playing games :D at least his good in those games hehe
2 years is not that long...
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Carn-, if u say it like that, only thE chinese are good at the game. just like how the koreans are the only ones good at brood war.. obviously there are different circumstances.
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I think the real discussion here is why Dota players have the worst names ever
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iceiceice, if that is the malaysian/singaporean (dunno fo' sho') player, then he transfered to LoL now.
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I don't know about Dota, never found it all that interesting, but that Diss is terrible. Pretty epic that he inspired someone to do that though.
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On November 17 2010 06:10 BnK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:18 shell wrote:
Don't care about his dota "career" altho i find it interesting!
I just wanna know how can a guy that lives in the USA for 2 years speaks english so poorly and almost doesn't have any vocabulary?
Maybe because he stayed in his house playing games :D at least his good in those games hehe 2 years is not that long...
I need to introduce to Artosis and Manifesto7, you've probably heard of them..
People who speak a language well in 2 years try hard, its not something that you just soak up like a sponge.
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yes I agree with you
On November 17 2010 03:18 shell wrote:
I just wanna know how can a guy that lives in the USA for 2 years speaks english so poorly and almost doesn't have any vocabulary?
On November 17 2010 06:25 Slayer91 wrote:
its not something that you just soak up like a sponge.
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On November 17 2010 02:56 InteGrated wrote:Their biggest feat as a team was lasting for a Month
Rofl, pretty sad that this is considered an achievement in DotA. I miss MYM, I was pretty sad when they broke up. 
I didn't know SelecT played alongside Loda. Impressive.
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Select was also a fairly good wc3 pro as well. He was in the team SK with madfrog, insomnia, zacard
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On November 17 2010 03:18 shell wrote:
Don't care about his dota "career" altho i find it interesting!
I just wanna know how can a guy that lives in the USA for 2 years speaks english so poorly and almost doesn't have any vocabulary?
Maybe because he stayed in his house playing games :D at least his good in those games hehe
This is ignorant. I'd like to see you learn Korean in 2 years, bearing in mind the length Idra, Artosis, and Tasteless have been in Korea. His English is understandable, if nothing else.
In fact, this whole post was flat out stupid. You don't care about his dota career, but it's interesting?
And most importantly, your English is hardly good enough to make comments on someone else's.
That said, I agree with the person that said DotA is not a spectator sport. I played it a lot during its initial stages (5.6 lulz), so I'd be pretty interested in seeing how the game has evolved since, but I doubt that's true for most people.
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There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. I only say this coming from a competitive dota background and actually having interaction with a lot of the players mentioned.
We have good dota players on this website [ although hard to sort through everything in the huge dota/hon thread ] and in particular Heen has played along side March and Select before. They played together for the Korean team.
With that said, NA dota had its time, and should be noted that it had some really great players [ not teams ] some which continue to play.
Imho March is not that great of a player, and neither is Select, especially compared to his successes in SC2. It is however interesting to know that he is the same select.
Also remstar was a fucking beast, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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On November 17 2010 06:18 InteGrated wrote:
Carn-, if u say it like that, only thE chinese are good at the game. just like how the koreans are the only ones good at brood war.. obviously there are different circumstances.
Well and DTS, (ukranian/russian mix team).
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i thought that coL was the top us team?
anyways, cool that he excelled at this too. wish he had made GSL
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Wow, never realized that he was the same SeleCt from AzN. Haha, it's crazy how it all come together.
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Well NA's DotA community is a disaster.
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the reason dota is not a massive esport is because of the community. all levels of players. it's fucking terrible. european players change teams every week and teams disband every 2nd. dunno about NA but they don't seem to do international tournaments. the only scene with any professionalism is china, and dota is becoming institutionalised in china like sc is in korea. if you guys think idra is bm, dota would destroy you. he's lower-middle of the bm spectrum in dota. and the unprofessionalism even extends to sponsors and tournaments that don't pay. also there is high variability on the entertainment value of the games depending on the patch metagame and the team strat. turtling strats will always be boring as shit and roaming/pushing strats will always be more exciting.
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also select was no huge name in dota (on the international scene) cause he didn't stick around with a team for long enough. and johnnyutah was a beast, he carried games against ks.int and other great teams.
in dawn of war though select passed into legend. "select micro" was as much of a meme as "pure whine". pure being the same pureball that now plays sc2 (at least the name is the same and he's english). 4servant was the best player at the time i played (4servoa or something in sc2 now) and people would have arguments over whether he'd beat select in his prime. from what i heard, select had something like 8/10 positions in the top10 of the 1v1 dow ladder - you could make as many accounts as you wanted.
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team AzN? really? i mean i understand most dota players are asian but o_o
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Are there VODs of these available somewhere by any chance?
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I followed Dota in the past and never heard of this team or anyone on this team but Enigma (I'm, assuming it's XsK_Enigma). But it's definitely interesting though.
Edit: Nevermind, this is actually very recent and not when Loda was in SK/MYM.
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On November 17 2010 07:20 Klamity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:18 shell wrote:
Don't care about his dota "career" altho i find it interesting!
I just wanna know how can a guy that lives in the USA for 2 years speaks english so poorly and almost doesn't have any vocabulary?
Maybe because he stayed in his house playing games :D at least his good in those games hehe This is ignorant. I'd like to see you learn Korean in 2 years, bearing in mind the length Idra, Artosis, and Tasteless have been in Korea. His English is understandable, if nothing else. In fact, this whole post was flat out stupid. You don't care about his dota career, but it's interesting? And most importantly, your English is hardly good enough to make comments on someone else's. That said, I agree with the person that said DotA is not a spectator sport. I played it a lot during its initial stages (5.6 lulz), so I'd be pretty interested in seeing how the game has evolved since, but I doubt that's true for most people.
I don't care about dota since i never played it and that's what i ment. But i did knew he won 2 gold medals in DOW and was a wc3 player in SK, a team i followed in a scene i cared about so it was interesting to know he played 3 games at a high level!
Second i bet Artosis and all the white dudes in Korea could learn it if they didn't play games so much, but they are not in korea to learn Korean but to play/cast whatever.. but select on the other hand went to the states to study!
But then again some guys allready pointed that they talked to him personaly and think he talks way better then in the interview!
And btw korean is way harder to learn to any foreigner then a foreigner learning english.. that is obvious!
My english is enough to talk to anyone and my writing is understandable.
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On November 17 2010 06:08 RotterdaM wrote:Hahaha, alex is 100% right, and no dota absolutely does not have larger tournaments than wc3, They do have a bigger userbase, no doubt, dota has been more populair playing wise than wc3 for atleast a few years now, yet There is atleast every year 1 wc3 player who earned more than all first place dota tournaments combined, thats the truth :D and yes, Select is ,for anyone who's been around in e-sports a long time, a Wc3 player, not dota, nor dow, he switched to Dawn of war after the MBC Scandal with mapfixing, in which he was very dissapointed but a side of that, he was a _good_ wc3 player, but not TOP TOP, no Moon, No dayfly, No Reign/Check no madfrog/grubby/tod back then
hmm I still remember SeleCT playing for TrademarkGamer in late 2005, making a comeback to WC3
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Just listened to the rap. That was so bad
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I enjoy reminiscing the glory days. Actually, you’ve missed quite a bit here. The original AzN consisted of Enigma Ezzy March select and ZhaoYun. This team was on par with EG and Pokerstars (Johnnyutah’s team) at the time. After disbanding this team and taking a year off of dota, select decided to try it again. This time the team was Ezzy Select March Bulba and Biscaya. They had no support player and Biscaya / Bulba constantly had clashing personalities (though this didn’t stop them from being on teams together for many years consecutively) and at the time I was playing heavily in the European scene. I played a few scrims with them and select later contacted me to join the new AzN 3.0.
This team consisted of Select, ken, Bulba, Ezzy and myself. I believe this was the most stable of the AzN rosters as we held the tag for almost 6 months (which was sadly impressive for nadota in its early days). This team did very well and it was truly an honour to have played with these guys. A great group and this is most definitely where my skill peaked, the team had a really positive feel, with such great leaders and friends to constantly help out.
After losing multiple bouts to na powerhouse eMg/blight (Brax, Korok, ownagejuice, Mikey, and desrow) the team shuffled again, with Lust(Tom) taking over on the support position.
I made my way back to the European scene, joining a solid European stack formed by Comewithme (known as diXi). We placed 2nd in ESL season V (I think) beating DTS and eventually losing to aAa (the French squad of MDJ And Phoenix). DiXi was also in talks at the time to get a spot in the first international, but business is business as the spots went to two underperforming danish teams (due to them hosting).
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Fuck that was super weird to read before I realised the year, 2010 lol
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Remember when Select was being a jerk to Merlini and actually got him mad on stream?
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On October 31 2017 16:19 lestye wrote:
Remember when Select was being a jerk to Merlini and actually got him mad on stream?
remember when earlier in the thread people were saying how dota was a joke esport
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On October 31 2017 17:43 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 16:19 lestye wrote:
Remember when Select was being a jerk to Merlini and actually got him mad on stream? remember when earlier in the thread people were saying how dota was a joke esport
And it's Azarkon defending and correctly predicting Dota's rise. Amazing thread
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On October 31 2017 17:43 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 16:19 lestye wrote:
Remember when Select was being a jerk to Merlini and actually got him mad on stream? remember when earlier in the thread people were saying how dota was a joke esport
read the thread because of your comment, laughs were had : D
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This thread brings back good memmories of old times of date all good onces from dow to sc2.
Its cool to see these old timers still around and i hope they stay around becacuse i was a fan of select back in those days was cool to see him compete in the competives scene. I have not seen them much of date because of there transition to moba and my lack of interest in this genre. I know much about select dow and sc2 career because i was a big fan and was excited watching his style of play heavy micro in dow1 to sc2 with funny quates.
There are reasons for his bad english which i wont bring up some people take time to learn a second language is difficult depending on how much one can focus on it to become fluent and his focus mainly on gameing and competion in rts and moba.
I watched him till his end of days in sc2 and if he were to return i would interested to see his carreer in rts continue.
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How well did he play in SC2 around his time leaving?
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what a bump
RIP QPAD RIP SING
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He even rocked in dow after bw and wc3, because the prize pool was higher and he was like boxer in dow, good old 2005 2006
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Does anyone still have the song 'Full diss to select'? Been searching far and wide and have not been able to find it..
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EPT
