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On November 16 2010 07:42 Tempy wrote:
5:29.86: 376M 175G 34E 35/ 36S - Research Warp Gate Transformation
yet
Waypoint 4 failed:
11:54.65: 2246M 271G 100E 98/120S
Buildings: 4 Nexus 3 Assimilator 10 Pylon 7 Gateway 1 Forge 4 Photon Cannon 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Twilight Council
Units: 50 Probe 11 Zealot 8 Stalker 5 Sentry
Warp Gate Transformation
still with gateways and getting hallucination without being asked
also is there any reason why it would just not saturate gas when its clearly better than stockpiling 2000 minerals? i'm at over 500 mil simulated.
Could you please give the full details of what you asked for (the waypoints) and what the build order it gave was?
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Waypoint 1 satisfied:
2:16.19: 14M 0G 25E 15/ 18S
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Pylon
Units: 15 Probe
Upgrades:
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
4:39.69: 163M 41G 6E 28/ 36S
Buildings: 2 Nexus 1 Assimilator 2 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Forge 1 Photon Cannon 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 24 Probe 1 Zealot
Upgrades:
Waypoint 3 satisfied:
7:59.39: 733M 151G 94E 64/ 68S
Buildings: 2 Nexus 3 Assimilator 6 Pylon 4 Gateway 1 Forge 2 Photon Cannon 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 38 Probe 6 Zealot 2 Stalker 2 Sentry
Upgrades: Ground Armor 1 Warp Gate Transformation
Waypoint 4 failed:
11:51.00: 930M 185G 100E 110/112S
Buildings: 4 Nexus 4 Assimilator 9 Pylon 8 Gateway 1 Forge 4 Photon Cannon 2 Cybernetics Core 1 Twilight Council
Units: 50 Probe 14 Zealot 8 Stalker 5 Sentry
Upgrades: Ground Armor 1 Ground Armor 2 Warp Gate Transformation Hallucination Charge
Asked for 4 assim, 7 warpgates,4 cannons, +2 ground armor,charge, 50 probes, 14 zeals, 8 stalkers, 5 sentries @720 secs
Waypoint 4 would be satisfied, if they were warpgates and not regular gateways
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:44.10: 100M 0G 24E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
0:54.19: 50M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 107M 0G 39E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 57M 0G 39E 11/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:22.52: 136M 0G 20E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:31.19: 153M 0G 25E 12/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:33.85: 174M 0G 2E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:45.19: 220M 0G 8E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
1:59.19: 298M 0G 16E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
2:14.68: 400M 0G 25E 15/ 18S - Build Nexus
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
2:16.19: 14M 0G 25E 15/ 18S
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Pylon
Units: 15 Probe
Upgrades:
2:19.96: 50M 0G 28E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
2:36.96: 168M 0G 37E 16/ 18S - Build Probe
2:40.09: 150M 0G 39E 17/ 18S - Build Gateway
2:53.96: 146M 0G 47E 17/ 18S - Build Probe
2:54.33: 100M 0G 47E 18/ 18S - Build Pylon
3:12.00: 200M 0G 57E 18/ 18S - Build Forge
3:18.50: 75M 0G 61E 18/ 18S - Build Assimilator
3:18.50: 0M 0G 61E 18/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
3:22.92: 50M 0G 38E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
3:39.92: 204M 0G 48E 19/ 26S - Build Probe
3:45.09: 217M 0G 50E 20/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
3:47.81: 100M 0G 52E 20/ 26S - Build Zealot
3:59.69: 150M 0G 59E 22/ 36S - Build Photon Cannon
3:59.69: 0M 0G 59E 22/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
4:03.62: 50M 3G 61E 22/ 36S - Build Probe
4:07.56: 50M 6G 63E 23/ 36S - Build Probe
4:07.56: 0M 6G 63E 24/ 36S - Chrono Nexus
4:13.26: 75M 9G 41E 24/ 36S - Build Assimilator
4:13.26: 0M 9G 41E 24/ 36S - Chrono Nexus
4:18.17: 63M 13G 19E 24/ 36S - Build Probe
4:20.87: 50M 15G 21E 25/ 36S - Build Probe
4:28.67: 116M 20G 25E 26/ 36S - Chrono Forge
4:28.67: 116M 20G 0E 26/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
4:28.67: 116M 20G 0E 26/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
4:30.47: 141M 24G 1E 26/ 36S - Build Probe
4:32.21: 114M 27G 2E 27/ 36S - Build Probe
4:32.21: 64M 27G 2E 28/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
4:39.69: 169M 41G 6E 28/ 36S
Buildings: 2 Nexus 1 Assimilator 2 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Forge 1 Photon Cannon 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 24 Probe 1 Zealot
Upgrades:
4:47.47: 279M 60G 11E 28/ 36S - Build Probe
4:48.68: 246M 63G 11E 29/ 36S - Build Probe
5:04.47: 442M 107G 20E 30/ 36S - Build Probe
5:04.47: 392M 107G 20E 31/ 36S - Build Gateway
5:05.68: 260M 111G 21E 31/ 36S - Build Probe
5:05.68: 210M 111G 21E 32/ 36S - Build Pylon
5:21.47: 366M 155G 30E 32/ 36S - Build Probe
5:21.47: 316M 155G 30E 33/ 36S - Research Warp Gate Transformation
5:22.68: 286M 108G 30E 33/ 36S - Build Probe
5:22.68: 236M 108G 30E 34/ 36S - Research Ground Armor 1
5:23.47: 150M 11G 31E 34/ 36S - Build Gateway
5:31.92: 150M 34G 36E 34/ 44S - Build Gateway
5:38.47: 116M 53G 39E 34/ 44S - Build Probe
5:38.98: 75M 54G 40E 35/ 44S - Build Assimilator
5:41.83: 50M 62G 41E 35/ 44S - Build Probe
5:46.92: 100M 76G 44E 36/ 44S - Build Pylon
5:46.92: 0M 76G 44E 36/ 44S - Chrono Gateway
5:46.92: 0M 76G 44E 36/ 44S - Move Probe To Gas
5:46.92: 0M 76G 44E 36/ 44S - Move Probe To Gas
5:53.17: 112M 100G 48E 36/ 44S - Build Sentry
5:55.47: 103M 9G 49E 38/ 44S - Build Probe
6:09.47: 324M 62G 57E 39/ 44S - Build Zealot
6:09.47: 224M 62G 57E 41/ 44S - Chrono Forge
6:29.47: 630M 140G 43E 41/ 52S - Chrono Forge
6:29.47: 630M 140G 43E 41/ 52S - Build Probe
6:29.47: 580M 140G 43E 42/ 52S - Build Pylon
6:29.47: 480M 140G 43E 42/ 52S - Build Zealot
6:29.47: 380M 140G 43E 44/ 52S - Build Stalker
6:29.47: 255M 90G 43E 46/ 52S - Build Photon Cannon
6:36.92: 247M 120G 47E 46/ 52S - Build Stalker
6:47.47: 335M 111G 53E 48/ 52S - Build Sentry
7:07.47: 706M 89G 64E 50/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:07.47: 606M 89G 64E 52/ 60S - Build Probe
7:11.47: 641M 105G 67E 53/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:11.47: 541M 105G 67E 55/ 60S - Build Probe
7:18.92: 648M 134G 71E 56/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:18.92: 548M 134G 71E 58/ 60S - Build Pylon
7:18.92: 448M 134G 71E 58/ 60S - Move Probe To Gas
7:29.47: 659M 181G 77E 58/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:29.47: 559M 181G 77E 60/ 60S - Build Twilight Council
7:43.92: 716M 146G 85E 60/ 68S - Build Probe
7:45.47: 700M 153G 86E 61/ 68S - Build Sentry
7:45.47: 650M 53G 86E 63/ 68S - Move Probe To Gas
7:45.47: 650M 53G 86E 63/ 68S - Build Pylon
7:45.47: 550M 53G 86E 63/ 68S - Build Probe
Waypoint 3 satisfied:
7:56.92: 735M 110G 92E 64/ 68S
Buildings: 2 Nexus 3 Assimilator 6 Pylon 4 Gateway 1 Forge 2 Photon Cannon 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 38 Probe 6 Zealot 2 Stalker 2 Sentry
Upgrades: Ground Armor 1 Warp Gate Transformation
8:00.92: 819M 130G 94E 64/ 68S - Build Probe
8:00.92: 769M 130G 94E 65/ 68S - Build Zealot
8:10.47: 880M 178G 100E 67/ 76S - Build Zealot
8:10.47: 780M 178G 100E 69/ 76S - Build Zealot
8:10.47: 680M 178G 100E 71/ 76S - Build Photon Cannon
8:10.47: 530M 178G 100E 71/ 76S - Build Photon Cannon
8:10.47: 380M 178G 100E 71/ 76S - Build Gateway
8:10.47: 230M 178G 100E 71/ 76S - Build Gateway
8:14.02: 150M 195G 100E 71/ 76S - Build Gateway
8:21.63: 150M 233G 100E 71/ 76S - Build Gateway
8:23.93: 50M 245G 100E 71/ 76S - Build Probe
8:31.74: 175M 284G 100E 72/ 76S - Research Ground Armor 2
8:33.94: 50M 120G 100E 72/ 76S - Build Sentry
8:38.92: 114M 44G 100E 74/ 76S - Build Zealot
8:42.71: 100M 63G 100E 76/ 76S - Build Pylon
8:47.10: 100M 85G 100E 76/ 76S - Build Pylon
9:07.71: 472M 188G 100E 76/ 84S - Build Stalker
9:10.00: 400M 149G 100E 78/ 84S - Build Nexus
9:16.58: 150M 182G 100E 78/ 92S - Build Gateway
9:25.51: 200M 227G 100E 78/ 92S - Research Charge
9:27.72: 50M 38G 100E 78/ 92S - Build Probe
9:34.30: 150M 70G 100E 79/ 92S - Build Gateway
9:34.30: 0M 70G 100E 79/ 92S - Chrono Nexus
9:51.66: 400M 157G 85E 79/ 92S - Build Nexus
9:54.90: 75M 173G 87E 79/ 92S - Build Assimilator
9:57.09: 50M 184G 88E 79/ 92S - Build Probe
10:02.51: 125M 211G 91E 80/ 92S - Build Stalker
10:07.90: 125M 188G 94E 82/ 92S - Build Stalker
10:12.21: 100M 159G 96E 84/ 92S - Research Hallucination
10:16.51: 100M 81G 99E 84/ 92S - Build Zealot
10:20.75: 100M 102G 100E 86/ 92S - Build Zealot
10:24.93: 100M 123G 100E 88/ 92S - Build Zealot
10:24.93: 0M 123G 100E 90/ 92S - Chrono Cybernetics Core
10:30.14: 125M 149G 78E 90/ 92S - Build Stalker
10:50.00: 477M 199G 89E 92/102S - Build Probe
10:50.00: 427M 199G 89E 93/102S - Build Probe
10:50.00: 377M 199G 89E 94/102S - Build Probe
10:50.00: 327M 199G 89E 95/102S - Build Sentry
10:50.00: 277M 99G 89E 97/102S - Build Stalker
10:50.22: 157M 50G 89E 99/102S - Build Stalker
10:50.22: 32M 0G 89E 101/102S - Convert Gateway To WarpGate
11:04.47: 400M 72G 97E 101/102S - Build Nexus
11:10.35: 150M 101G 100E 101/102S - Build Cybernetics Core
11:31.66: 571M 209G 100E 101/112S - Build Stalker
11:31.66: 446M 159G 100E 103/112S - Build Stalker
11:31.66: 321M 109G 100E 105/112S - Build Probe
11:31.66: 271M 109G 100E 106/112S - Build Probe
11:31.66: 221M 109G 100E 107/112S - Build Probe
Waypoint 4 failed:
11:52.21: 741M 212G 100E 108/112S
Buildings: 4 Nexus 4 Assimilator 9 Pylon 9 Gateway 1 WarpGate 1 Forge 4 Photon Cannon 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Twilight Council
Units: 50 Probe 14 Zealot 9 Stalker 5 Sentry
Upgrades: Ground Armor 1 Ground Armor 2 Warp Gate Transformation Hallucination Charge
Waypoint 4 failed:
12:44.47: 2303M 475G 100E 108/122S
Buildings: 5 Nexus 4 Assimilator 9 Pylon 9 Gateway 1 WarpGate 1 Forge 4 Photon Cannon 2 Cybernetics Core 1 Twilight Council
Units: 50 Probe 14 Zealot 10 Stalker 5 Sentry
Upgrades: Ground Armor 1 Ground Armor 2 Warp Gate Transformation Hallucination Charge
Still letting it run btw
now the word is out on my patented, tempy +2 armor push
Also would it be possible to make it such that it works off the last worked out build order? instead of sifting through all of the previous worked out solutions that are not as efficient
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On November 16 2010 07:44 Cloak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:53.00: 150M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
0:53.03: 100M 0G 29E 10/ 10S - Build Pylon
1:06.22: 75M 0G 36E 10/ 10S - Build Assimilator
1:18.03: 76M 0G 43E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:35.03: 147M 0G 52E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:52.03: 229M 0G 62E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:52.03: 179M 0G 62E 13/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
1:52.03: 179M 0G 62E 13/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
1:52.03: 179M 0G 62E 13/ 18S - Build Gateway
2:09.03: 141M 24G 71E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
2:09.03: 91M 24G 71E 14/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
2:20.36: 178M 40G 53E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
2:20.36: 128M 40G 53E 15/ 18S - Build Assimilator
2:33.03: 158M 57G 60E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
2:50.03: 264M 81G 70E 16/ 18S - Build Probe
2:50.03: 214M 81G 70E 17/ 18S - Build Pylon
3:07.03: 274M 103G 79E 17/ 18S - Build Probe
3:07.03: 224M 103G 79E 18/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
3:24.03: 391M 136G 89E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
3:24.03: 341M 136G 89E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
3:41.03: 508M 178G 98E 19/ 26S - Build Probe
3:58.03: 636M 221G 100E 20/ 26S - Build Probe
3:58.03: 586M 221G 100E 21/ 26S - Build Gateway
3:58.03: 436M 221G 100E 21/ 26S - Build Pylon
3:58.03: 336M 221G 100E 21/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
4:18.90: 400M 274G 100E 21/ 26S - Build Nexus
4:27.83: 100M 296G 100E 21/ 34S - Build Pylon
4:37.31: 100M 320G 100E 21/ 34S - Build Zealot
4:41.80: 50M 331G 100E 23/ 34S - Build Probe
4:58.80: 194M 374G 100E 24/ 42S - Build Probe
4:58.80: 144M 374G 100E 25/ 42S - Move Probe To Gas
5:15.80: 341M 427G 100E 25/ 42S - Build Probe
5:15.80: 291M 427G 100E 26/ 42S - Build Pylon
5:16.63: 200M 429G 100E 26/ 42S - Build Robotics Facility
5:27.75: 125M 363G 100E 26/ 42S - Build Stalker
5:32.80: 61M 329G 100E 28/ 42S - Build Probe
5:49.80: 221M 381G 100E 29/ 50S - Build Probe
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
6:09.75: 441M 443G 100E 30/ 60S
Buildings: 2 Nexus 2 Assimilator 5 Pylon 2 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 26 Probe 1 Zealot 1 Stalker
Upgrades:
6:21.63: 619M 480G 100E 30/ 60S - Build Robotics Bay
6:21.63: 419M 280G 100E 30/ 60S - Build Gateway
6:21.63: 269M 280G 100E 30/ 60S - Build Assimilator
6:21.63: 194M 280G 100E 30/ 60S - Research Warpgate
6:21.63: 144M 230G 100E 30/ 60S - Build Zealot
6:21.63: 44M 230G 100E 32/ 60S - Chrono Gateway
6:22.13: 50M 231G 75E 32/ 60S - Build Sentry
6:33.29: 150M 166G 82E 34/ 60S - Build Gateway
6:49.63: 237M 216G 91E 34/ 60S - Build Sentry
7:04.13: 404M 164G 99E 36/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:26.63: 640M 239G 100E 38/ 60S - Build Colossus
7:26.63: 340M 39G 100E 44/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:31.63: 315M 56G 100E 46/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:31.63: 215M 56G 100E 48/ 60S - Move Probe To Gas
7:38.29: 309M 82G 100E 48/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:42.13: 264M 97G 100E 50/ 60S - Build Zealot
7:42.13: 164M 97G 100E 52/ 60S - Build Pylon
7:42.13: 64M 97G 100E 52/ 60S - Chrono Robotics Facility
7:42.13: 64M 97G 75E 52/ 60S - Move Probe To Gas
7:42.13: 64M 97G 75E 52/ 60S - Move Probe To Gas
7:45.16: 100M 112G 77E 52/ 60S - Build Pylon
8:04.63: 235M 209G 88E 52/ 60S - Build Zealot
8:31.63: 477M 344G 100E 54/ 76S - Build Colossus
8:31.63: 177M 144G 100E 60/ 76S - Build Zealot
8:33.41: 100M 153G 100E 62/ 76S - Build Zealot
8:37.35: 50M 172G 100E 64/ 76S - Build Sentry
8:47.19: 125M 121G 100E 66/ 76S - Build Stalker
9:09.63: 285M 183G 100E 68/ 76S - Build Stalker
9:09.63: 160M 133G 100E 70/ 76S - Build Pylon
9:09.63: 60M 133G 100E 70/ 76S - Chrono Gateway
9:09.63: 60M 133G 75E 70/ 76S - Chrono Gateway
9:12.98: 100M 150G 77E 70/ 76S - Build Pylon
9:12.98: 0M 150G 77E 70/ 76S - Convert Gateway To Warpgate
9:22.67: 111M 198G 82E 70/ 76S - Convert Gateway To Warpgate
9:29.34: 195M 231G 86E 70/ 76S - Convert Gateway To Warpgate
9:29.34: 195M 231G 86E 70/ 76S - Build Stalker
9:33.64: 125M 203G 89E 72/ 76S - Build Stalker
9:33.64: 0M 153G 89E 74/ 76S - Chrono Gateway
9:39.34: 72M 181G 67E 74/ 92S - Build Sentry
10:01.19: 300M 190G 79E 76/ 92S - Build Stalker
10:05.64: 231M 162G 82E 78/ 92S - Build Stalker
10:11.34: 179M 141G 85E 80/ 92S - Build Stalker
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
10:16.34: 117M 116G 88E 82/ 92S
Buildings: 2 Nexus 3 Assimilator 9 Pylon 1 Gateway 3 Warpgate 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Robotics Facility 1 Robotics Bay
Units: 26 Probe 10 Zealot 8 Stalker 4 Sentry 2 Colossus
Upgrades: Warpgate
I guess it worked with the gas, but 26 Probes seems low, no mention of transitioning any over. WP1 was just 1 Stalker 1 Zealot. WP2 was 2 Nexi 10 Zealot 8 Stalker 4 Sentry 2 Colossus.
Yeah, it doesn't actually 'transfer' workers to a new expansion, it just recalculates the income rates by assuming the workers instantly appeared there. Obviously not ideal, but I'm not sure if I want to set up a 'transfer probe to expansion' command as it'd add some complexity and likely lead to scenarios where it never does it (ie, the minerals lost during transfer take time to make up from being at the expansion).
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On November 16 2010 08:06 Tempy wrote:
Waypoint 4 would be satisfied, if they were warpgates and not regular gateways
Hmm, yeah, I need to improve the warpgate stuff - planning to do that soon. Basically it will always convert gateways to warpgates as soon as it gets the research for warpgate completed.
Also would it be possible to make it such that it works off the last worked out build order? instead of sifting through all of the previous worked out solutions that are not as efficient
If you mean between stops and starts, then yes, I can do probably do that at some point (just seed the new execution with the results of the previous one), not sure if it'll be soon though. Shouldn't be too hard I think though. However if you mean within the one execution then it already does that.
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Quick feature request, as it will save time with my experiments, feature for it to send probes back to minerals from gas should the max amount of gas needed for the build executed be reached. A +1 Attack zealot push into expand does vs zerg has enough gas needed by the 4 minute mark and in the next 2 minutes mines another 200 gas which is not needed.
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If you mean between stops and starts, then yes, I can do probably do that at some point (just seed the new execution with the results of the previous one), not sure if it'll be soon though. Shouldn't be too hard I think though. However if you mean within the one execution then it already does that.
Wait so if i change the boxes on the left during the running phase it will change the outup on the fly?
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On November 16 2010 08:49 Chronicle wrote:
Quick feature request, as it will save time with my experiments, feature for it to send probes back to minerals from gas should the max amount of gas needed for the build executed be reached. A +1 Attack zealot push into expand does vs zerg has enough gas needed by the 4 minute mark and in the next 2 minutes mines another 200 gas which is not needed.
It has the ability to take workers off gas to put on minerals, just that it never does it because it always values gas more. This will be 'fixed' when you can set your own priorities for resources.
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On November 16 2010 06:36 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 20:21 tehV wrote:3:32.40: 150M 75G 43E 9/ 18S - Build Gateway 4:38.36: 160M 201G 30E 12/ 18S - Convert Gateway To Warpgate 4:38.36: 160M 201G 30E 12/ 18S - Chrono Gateway Waypoint 2 satisfied: 4:45.02: 202M 213G 9E 12/ 18S So tracing back, 4:45.02-4:38.36 = 6.66 seconds, chrono boosted convert = good. 4:38.36 - 3:32.40 = 65.96, gateway takes 65 seconds to build, sits there idle for 0.96 seconds = bad. (It also delays gateway #2 but that isnt slowing the final time down, so no problem) TLDR; In quest to find trivial flaw in code, found a different trivial flaw in code: or why is my gateway idle for 0.96 seconds?  I'm a bit confused. You asked it to have that gateway for waypoint 2, which it did in time. It didn't need to build anything out of it though, so it didn't. Why is this a problem?
The final target was 3 warpgates, so should it not get the fastest 3 warpgates possible given the constraint of the first waypoint?
It built the final gateway as soon as it had 150 minerals, it chrono boosts the conversion to a warpgate to get the time as fast as possible, yet it waited a second to start the conversion in the first place for no reason?
It would be like saying I want a dark templar and at the very end it decides to wait a second to make it.
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On November 16 2010 08:50 Tempy wrote:Show nested quote +If you mean between stops and starts, then yes, I can do probably do that at some point (just seed the new execution with the results of the previous one), not sure if it'll be soon though. Shouldn't be too hard I think though. However if you mean within the one execution then it already does that. Wait so if i change the boxes on the left during the running phase it will change the outup on the fly?
No, I think we're misunderstanding eachother, well, more accurately that I was right in my first suggestion that you want it to remember builds between stopping and starting. What I meant by that last comment was that it already runs off the best build order tweaking it slightly to try and improve it (which I'm assuming now that you already know).
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Loving the app. Kind of a weird output here, wondering if there is a bug or I'm missing something:
Jumps from 26 to 36 supply without ever building a pylon. Also built a double assimilator at 25 even though I already had one at 12. This is after 128,000,000 runs.
4:40.64: 150M 352G 100E 23/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
4:45.67: 50M 370G 100E 23/ 26S - Build Probe
5:02.67: 192M 431G 100E 24/ 26S - Build Probe
5:30.64: 480M 531G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Stargate
5:30.64: 330M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Assimilator
5:30.64: 255M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Assimilator
5:30.64: 180M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Chrono Forge
5:30.64: 180M 381G 75E 25/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
5:30.64: 180M 381G 50E 25/ 26S - Build Probe
5:30.64: 130M 381G 50E 26/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
6:01.68: 499M 499G 67E 26/ 36S - Build Probe
6:01.68: 449M 499G 67E 27/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
6:30.64: 824M 644G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Fleet Beacon
6:30.64: 524M 444G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Stargate
6:30.64: 374M 294G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Pylon
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On November 16 2010 09:06 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 08:49 Chronicle wrote:
Quick feature request, as it will save time with my experiments, feature for it to send probes back to minerals from gas should the max amount of gas needed for the build executed be reached. A +1 Attack zealot push into expand does vs zerg has enough gas needed by the 4 minute mark and in the next 2 minutes mines another 200 gas which is not needed. It has the ability to take workers off gas to put on minerals, just that it never does it because it always values gas more. This will be 'fixed' when you can set your own priorities for resources.
Update: I just found a bug with the move to minerals command. I've fixed it and as an example here's what it does for getting +1 weap by 4 mins 10secs and then 5 zealots:
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:39.63: 75M 0G 21E 9/ 10S - Build Assimilator
0:57.61: 100M 0G 31E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
1:09.63: 69M 0G 38E 9/ 10S - Move Probe To Gas
1:33.05: 200M 16G 51E 9/ 18S - Build Forge
1:33.05: 0M 16G 51E 9/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
1:33.05: 0M 16G 51E 9/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:18.05: 187M 102G 77E 9/ 18S - Chrono Forge
2:18.05: 187M 102G 52E 9/ 18S - Research Ground Weapons 1
2:18.05: 87M 2G 52E 9/ 18S - Move Probe To Minerals
2:18.05: 87M 2G 52E 9/ 18S - Move Probe To Minerals
2:18.05: 87M 2G 52E 9/ 18S - Move Probe To Minerals
2:27.97: 150M 2G 57E 9/ 18S - Build Gateway
2:38.05: 57M 2G 63E 9/ 18S - Chrono Forge
2:52.77: 150M 2G 46E 9/ 18S - Build Gateway
2:52.77: 0M 2G 46E 9/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
3:11.79: 100M 15G 57E 9/ 18S - Build Pylon
3:11.79: 0M 15G 57E 9/ 18S - Chrono Forge
3:31.79: 106M 29G 43E 9/ 18S - Chrono Forge
3:32.97: 112M 30G 19E 9/ 18S - Build Zealot
3:51.79: 118M 43G 29E 11/ 26S - Chrono Forge
3:51.79: 118M 43G 4E 11/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
3:57.77: 147M 52G 8E 11/ 26S - Build Zealot
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
4:09.30: 104M 68G 14E 13/ 26S
Income: 297M 84G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 2 Pylon 2 Gateway 1 Forge
Units: 9 Probe
Upgrades: Ground Weapons 1
4:10.97: 112M 70G 15E 13/ 26S - Build Zealot
4:35.77: 135M 105G 29E 15/ 26S - Build Zealot
4:48.97: 101M 123G 36E 17/ 26S - Build Zealot
4:48.97: 1M 123G 36E 19/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
4:48.97: 1M 123G 11E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
5:13.11: 104M 169G 25E 19/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
5:15.68: 115M 174G 1E 19/ 26S
Income: 258M 114G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 2 Pylon 2 Gateway 1 Forge
Units: 9 Probe 5 Zealot
Upgrades: Ground Weapons 1
This will be in the next version.
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On November 16 2010 09:50 boberto wrote:
Loving the app. Kind of a weird output here, wondering if there is a bug or I'm missing something:
Jumps from 26 to 36 supply without ever building a pylon. Also built a double assimilator at 25 even though I already had one at 12. This is after 128,000,000 runs.
4:40.64: 150M 352G 100E 23/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
4:45.67: 50M 370G 100E 23/ 26S - Build Probe
5:02.67: 192M 431G 100E 24/ 26S - Build Probe
5:30.64: 480M 531G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Stargate
5:30.64: 330M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Assimilator
5:30.64: 255M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Assimilator
5:30.64: 180M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Chrono Forge
5:30.64: 180M 381G 75E 25/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
5:30.64: 180M 381G 50E 25/ 26S - Build Probe
5:30.64: 130M 381G 50E 26/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
6:01.68: 499M 499G 67E 26/ 36S - Build Probe
6:01.68: 449M 499G 67E 27/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
6:30.64: 824M 644G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Fleet Beacon
6:30.64: 524M 444G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Stargate
6:30.64: 374M 294G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Pylon
Did it build a second Nexus earlier on? Best to give the full build order as well as describing what waypoints you set.
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Hrm.... Since the Evo Chamber came up with the 7 roach rush thing, I was thinking about the counter to that rival program's supposedly scary rush.
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:46.44: 113M 0G 25E 9/ 10S - Chrono Nexus
0:46.44: 113M 0G 0E 9/ 10S - Build Assimilator
0:57.35: 100M 0G 6E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
1:16.44: 114M 0G 17E 9/ 10S - Move Probe To Gas
1:22.92: 150M 5G 21E 9/ 18S - Build Gateway
1:22.92: 0M 5G 21E 9/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
1:22.92: 0M 5G 21E 9/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
1:36.06: 50M 29G 28E 9/ 18S - Build Probe
1:53.06: 73M 62G 37E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
2:10.06: 106M 94G 47E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
2:27.92: 155M 128G 57E 12/ 18S - Build Cybernetics Core
2:36.14: 50M 144G 62E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
2:36.14: 0M 144G 62E 13/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
2:47.48: 71M 165G 43E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
3:00.14: 109M 189G 50E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
3:17.14: 191M 222G 60E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
3:17.92: 147M 223G 60E 16/ 18S - Chrono Cybernetics Core
3:17.92: 147M 223G 35E 16/ 18S - Build Sentry
3:17.92: 97M 123G 35E 18/ 18S - Research Warp Gate Transformation
3:37.92: 219M 111G 46E 18/ 18S - Chrono Cybernetics Core
3:37.92: 219M 111G 21E 18/ 18S - Build Robotics Facility
3:47.30: 100M 29G 27E 18/ 18S - Build Pylon
3:58.86: 100M 51G 33E 18/ 18S - Build Pylon
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
3:59.92: 9M 53G 34E 18/ 18S
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 1 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 16 Probe 1 Sentry
Upgrades:
4:12.30: 118M 76G 41E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
4:18.48: 125M 88G 44E 19/ 26S - Build Stalker
4:29.30: 100M 59G 50E 21/ 34S - Build Probe
4:51.06: 266M 100G 63E 22/ 34S - Build Immortal
4:51.06: 16M 0G 63E 26/ 34S - Chrono Robotics Facility
4:54.28: 50M 6G 39E 26/ 34S - Build Probe
4:54.28: 0M 6G 39E 27/ 34S - Chrono Cybernetics Core
5:10.04: 166M 36G 23E 27/ 34S - Convert Gateway To WarpGate
5:11.28: 179M 38G 24E 27/ 34S - Build Probe
5:13.11: 149M 42G 25E 28/ 34S - Chrono Robotics Facility
5:20.04: 226M 55G 4E 28/ 34S - Build Stalker
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
5:28.41: 195M 21G 9E 30/ 34S
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 3 Pylon 1 WarpGate 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Robotics Facility
Units: 20 Probe 2 Stalker 1 Sentry 1 Immortal
Upgrades: Warp Gate Transformation
In 5:28:41, you'll have 2 stalkers, a sentry, and an immortal, all the while still producing probes (20). I haven't exactly tested to see if this combination of units is good enough to stop a 7 roach rush, but it was just a little thing I did with the program. The sentry is out by 3:59, to make sure that forcefield is ready for if the push comes before that immortal is done.
How many immortals and stalkers does it take to stop 7 roaches?
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On November 16 2010 09:58 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 09:50 boberto wrote:
Loving the app. Kind of a weird output here, wondering if there is a bug or I'm missing something:
Jumps from 26 to 36 supply without ever building a pylon. Also built a double assimilator at 25 even though I already had one at 12. This is after 128,000,000 runs.
4:40.64: 150M 352G 100E 23/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
4:45.67: 50M 370G 100E 23/ 26S - Build Probe
5:02.67: 192M 431G 100E 24/ 26S - Build Probe
5:30.64: 480M 531G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Stargate
5:30.64: 330M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Assimilator
5:30.64: 255M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Assimilator
5:30.64: 180M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Chrono Forge
5:30.64: 180M 381G 75E 25/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
5:30.64: 180M 381G 50E 25/ 26S - Build Probe
5:30.64: 130M 381G 50E 26/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
6:01.68: 499M 499G 67E 26/ 36S - Build Probe
6:01.68: 449M 499G 67E 27/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
6:30.64: 824M 644G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Fleet Beacon
6:30.64: 524M 444G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Stargate
6:30.64: 374M 294G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Pylon Did it build a second Nexus earlier on? Best to give the full build order as well as describing what waypoints you set.
Ah yes, it did indeed
22/ 26S - Build Nexus
WP1 was 20 probes, 2 photon cannons
WP2 was 4 carriers with +1 air weapons
Finished in 9:05
+ Show Spoiler +
0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:44.10: 100M 0G 24E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
0:54.19: 50M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 107M 0G 39E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:28.19: 177M 0G 48E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:28.19: 127M 0G 48E 12/ 18S - Build Assimilator
1:28.19: 52M 0G 48E 12/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:39.52: 136M 0G 30E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:48.19: 159M 0G 35E 13/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:50.85: 182M 0G 11E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
2:02.19: 236M 0G 18E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
2:02.19: 186M 0G 18E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:02.19: 186M 0G 18E 15/ 18S - Build Pylon
2:02.19: 86M 0G 18E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:16.19: 197M 20G 25E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
2:33.19: 303M 43G 35E 16/ 26S - Build Probe
2:33.19: 253M 43G 35E 17/ 26S - Build Assimilator
2:35.72: 200M 47G 36E 17/ 26S - Build Forge
2:50.19: 136M 67G 45E 17/ 26S - Build Probe
2:56.40: 150M 76G 48E 18/ 26S - Build Gateway
3:07.19: 107M 90G 54E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
3:07.19: 57M 90G 54E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
3:24.19: 235M 124G 64E 19/ 26S - Build Probe
3:41.19: 374M 157G 73E 20/ 26S - Build Probe
3:41.19: 324M 157G 73E 21/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
3:58.19: 514M 199G 83E 21/ 26S - Build Probe
3:58.19: 464M 199G 83E 22/ 26S - Build Photon Cannon
3:58.19: 314M 199G 83E 22/ 26S - Build Photon Cannon
3:58.19: 164M 199G 83E 22/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
3:58.19: 164M 199G 83E 22/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
4:21.68: 400M 284G 96E 22/ 26S - Build Nexus
4:26.42: 50M 301G 99E 22/ 26S - Build Probe
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
4:38.19: 124M 343G 100E 23/ 26S
Buildings: 1 Nexus 2 Assimilator 2 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Forge 2 Photon Cannon
Units: 22 Probe
Upgrades:
4:40.64: 150M 352G 100E 23/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
4:45.67: 50M 370G 100E 23/ 26S - Build Probe
5:02.67: 192M 431G 100E 24/ 26S - Build Probe
5:30.64: 480M 531G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Stargate
5:30.64: 330M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Assimilator
5:30.64: 255M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Build Assimilator
5:30.64: 180M 381G 100E 25/ 26S - Chrono Forge
5:30.64: 180M 381G 75E 25/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
5:30.64: 180M 381G 50E 25/ 26S - Build Probe
5:30.64: 130M 381G 50E 26/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
6:01.68: 499M 499G 67E 26/ 36S - Build Probe
6:01.68: 449M 499G 67E 27/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
6:30.64: 824M 644G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Fleet Beacon
6:30.64: 524M 444G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Stargate
6:30.64: 374M 294G 84E 27/ 36S - Build Pylon
6:30.64: 274M 294G 84E 27/ 36S - Research Air Weapons 1
6:30.64: 174M 194G 84E 27/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
6:30.64: 174M 194G 84E 27/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
6:30.64: 174M 194G 84E 27/ 36S - Move Probe To Gas
7:30.64: 827M 594G 100E 27/ 44S - Build Carrier
7:30.64: 477M 344G 100E 33/ 44S - Build Carrier
7:30.64: 127M 94G 100E 39/ 44S - Chrono Stargate
7:30.64: 127M 94G 75E 39/ 44S - Chrono Stargate
7:30.64: 127M 94G 50E 39/ 44S - Build Pylon
7:50.64: 244M 228G 61E 39/ 44S - Chrono Stargate
8:25.64: 636M 461G 81E 39/ 52S - Build Carrier
8:25.64: 286M 211G 81E 45/ 52S - Chrono Stargate
8:25.64: 286M 211G 56E 45/ 52S - Chrono Stargate
8:32.30: 361M 256G 60E 45/ 52S - Build Carrier
8:45.64: 160M 94G 67E 51/ 52S - Chrono Stargate
8:45.64: 160M 94G 42E 51/ 52S - Chrono Stargate
8:45.64: 160M 94G 42E 51/ 52S - Build Photon Cannon
9:05.64: 228M 228G 53E 51/ 52S - Chrono Stargate
9:05.64: 228M 228G 28E 51/ 52S - Chrono Stargate
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Just a quick update with a preview. I've just implemented the 'Constant Probe Production' feature, and while it works I'm not certain if these results are what people will expect. For example, here's a comparison of 5 stalker builds with constant probe production:
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:44.10: 100M 0G 24E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
0:54.19: 50M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 107M 0G 39E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:13.89: 75M 0G 40E 11/ 18S - Build Assimilator
1:28.19: 99M 0G 48E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:45.19: 180M 0G 58E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:47.63: 150M 0G 59E 13/ 18S - Build Gateway
1:47.63: 0M 0G 59E 13/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
1:47.63: 0M 0G 59E 13/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:02.19: 96M 20G 68E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
2:19.19: 178M 44G 77E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
2:36.19: 273M 68G 87E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
2:36.19: 223M 68G 87E 16/ 18S - Build Gateway
2:52.63: 217M 91G 96E 16/ 18S - Build Cybernetics Core
2:53.19: 71M 92G 96E 16/ 18S - Build Probe
3:01.83: 100M 104G 100E 17/ 18S - Build Pylon
3:10.19: 77M 116G 100E 17/ 18S - Build Probe
3:27.19: 204M 139G 100E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
3:42.63: 325M 161G 100E 19/ 26S - Build Stalker
3:42.63: 200M 111G 100E 21/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
3:44.19: 218M 113G 76E 21/ 26S - Build Probe
3:44.19: 168M 113G 76E 22/ 26S - Build Stalker
3:49.18: 100M 70G 79E 24/ 26S - Build Pylon
4:01.19: 135M 87G 85E 24/ 26S - Build Probe
4:14.63: 246M 106G 93E 25/ 34S - Build Stalker
4:14.63: 121M 56G 93E 27/ 34S - Build Pylon
4:14.63: 21M 56G 93E 27/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:14.63: 21M 56G 68E 27/ 34S - Move Probe To Gas
4:18.19: 61M 63G 70E 27/ 34S - Build Probe
4:28.00: 125M 81G 76E 28/ 34S - Build Stalker
4:28.00: 0M 31G 76E 30/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:34.63: 80M 44G 54E 30/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:35.19: 86M 45G 30E 30/ 34S - Build Probe
4:42.63: 128M 59G 34E 31/ 42S - Build Stalker
4:52.19: 121M 27G 39E 33/ 42S - Build Probe
4:52.19: 71M 27G 39E 34/ 42S - Chrono Gateway
5:09.19: 288M 59G 24E 34/ 42S - Build Probe
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
5:10.63: 257M 62G 25E 35/ 42S
Income: 768M 114G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 4 Pylon 2 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 24 Probe 5 Stalker
Upgrades:
And without:
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:53.00: 150M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
0:53.03: 100M 0G 29E 10/ 10S - Build Pylon
1:18.03: 154M 0G 43E 10/ 18S - Build Gateway
1:25.19: 50M 0G 47E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:36.06: 75M 0G 53E 11/ 18S - Build Assimilator
1:43.52: 50M 0G 57E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:43.52: 0M 0G 57E 12/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:54.85: 88M 0G 38E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
2:06.06: 133M 0G 45E 13/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:06.06: 133M 0G 45E 13/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:06.06: 133M 0G 45E 13/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:23.03: 251M 32G 54E 13/ 18S - Build Cybernetics Core
2:30.71: 150M 47G 59E 13/ 18S - Build Gateway
2:38.86: 50M 62G 63E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
2:53.14: 100M 89G 71E 14/ 18S - Build Pylon
3:13.03: 145M 127G 82E 14/ 18S - Build Stalker
3:16.84: 50M 84G 85E 16/ 18S - Build Probe
3:35.71: 148M 120G 95E 17/ 26S - Build Stalker
3:35.71: 23M 70G 95E 19/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
3:35.71: 23M 70G 70E 19/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
3:48.59: 134M 95G 52E 19/ 26S - Build Stalker
3:55.71: 70M 58G 56E 21/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
4:07.71: 173M 81G 38E 21/ 26S - Build Stalker
4:17.64: 134M 50G 44E 23/ 26S - Build Stalker
4:17.64: 9M 0G 44E 25/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
4:22.45: 50M 9G 22E 25/ 26S - Build Probe
4:28.67: 53M 21G 25E 26/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
4:45.64: 202M 53G 10E 26/ 26S
Income: 555M 114G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 2 Pylon 2 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 16 Probe 5 Stalker
Upgrades:
The build took 25s longer to get those extra 8 probes. Quite a significant delay if you ask me.
Anyway, says what it does on the box For those interested, the way it works is to consider nexus downtime (when it's not building something) as a negative value for the fitness, hence it tries to keep the nexus always building. One side effect is that it prioritises building without chrono over building with and then having no production for a short time. In a way that sort of makes sense (why waste a chrono if you're not going to take advantage of it?), but then, as always, there are some circumstances where that might be preferable. At the moment I figure if you choose that option over specifying a number of probes, it's because this is what you want.
Edit: Looks like I didn't leave it running long enough:
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:44.10: 100M 0G 24E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
0:54.19: 50M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 107M 0G 39E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:28.19: 177M 0G 48E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:31.37: 150M 0G 50E 12/ 18S - Build Gateway
1:45.19: 101M 0G 58E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:48.15: 75M 0G 60E 13/ 18S - Build Assimilator
2:02.19: 118M 0G 68E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
2:11.23: 150M 0G 73E 14/ 18S - Build Gateway
2:18.15: 60M 0G 77E 14/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:19.19: 68M 1G 77E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
2:19.19: 18M 1G 77E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:36.19: 161M 25G 87E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
2:36.19: 111M 25G 87E 16/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:40.91: 150M 34G 89E 16/ 18S - Build Cybernetics Core
2:53.19: 98M 57G 96E 16/ 18S - Build Probe
2:58.94: 100M 68G 100E 17/ 18S - Build Pylon
3:10.19: 98M 89G 100E 17/ 18S - Build Probe
3:27.19: 215M 121G 100E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
3:27.19: 165M 121G 100E 19/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
3:30.91: 203M 129G 77E 19/ 26S - Build Stalker
3:33.04: 100M 83G 78E 21/ 26S - Build Pylon
3:44.19: 111M 104G 85E 21/ 26S - Build Probe
3:50.01: 125M 115G 88E 22/ 26S - Build Stalker
4:01.19: 125M 86G 94E 24/ 34S - Build Probe
4:05.55: 125M 94G 97E 25/ 34S - Build Stalker
4:05.55: 0M 44G 97E 27/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:18.19: 147M 68G 79E 27/ 34S - Build Probe
4:18.19: 97M 68G 79E 28/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:25.55: 184M 82G 58E 28/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:27.40: 206M 86G 34E 28/ 34S - Build Stalker
4:34.86: 171M 50G 38E 30/ 34S - Build Stalker
4:34.86: 46M 0G 38E 32/ 34S - Move Probe To Minerals
4:34.86: 46M 0G 38E 32/ 34S - Move Probe To Minerals
4:35.19: 50M 0G 38E 32/ 34S - Build Probe
4:35.19: 0M 0G 38E 33/ 34S - Move Probe To Gas
4:35.19: 0M 0G 38E 33/ 34S - Move Probe To Gas
4:38.19: 36M 6G 40E 33/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:52.19: 210M 33G 23E 33/ 34S - Build Probe
4:56.08: 209M 40G 25E 34/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
5:02.86: 296M 53G 4E 34/ 34S
Income: 768M 114G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 3 Pylon 2 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 23 Probe 5 Stalker
Upgrades:
~8s faster. Still a delay of 17s, but I guess that isn't too bad for 7 probes more (almost 8 - last one hasn't finished).
Edit 3: Hmm, just decided to do a test to compare 'constant probe production' with specifying the number of probes, and looks like specifying is still way better:
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:44.10: 100M 0G 24E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
0:54.19: 50M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 107M 0G 39E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 57M 0G 39E 11/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:22.52: 136M 0G 20E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:30.83: 150M 0G 25E 12/ 18S - Build Gateway
1:37.80: 50M 0G 29E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:46.79: 75M 0G 34E 13/ 18S - Build Assimilator
1:54.80: 66M 0G 38E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
2:11.80: 172M 0G 48E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
2:16.79: 170M 0G 51E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:16.79: 170M 0G 51E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:16.79: 170M 0G 51E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:28.80: 264M 23G 58E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
2:35.83: 273M 36G 62E 16/ 18S - Build Cybernetics Core
2:39.25: 150M 43G 63E 16/ 18S - Build Gateway
2:46.24: 50M 56G 67E 16/ 18S - Build Probe
2:57.39: 100M 77G 74E 17/ 18S - Build Pylon
3:03.24: 50M 88G 77E 17/ 18S - Build Probe
3:22.39: 186M 125G 88E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
3:25.83: 172M 131G 90E 19/ 26S - Build Stalker
3:30.83: 100M 91G 92E 21/ 26S - Build Pylon
3:30.83: 0M 91G 92E 21/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
3:44.25: 137M 116G 75E 21/ 26S - Build Stalker
3:47.65: 50M 73G 77E 23/ 26S - Build Probe
3:58.81: 125M 94G 83E 24/ 34S - Build Stalker
3:58.81: 0M 44G 83E 26/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:04.65: 65M 55G 61E 26/ 34S - Build Probe
4:04.65: 15M 55G 61E 27/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:19.17: 183M 83G 45E 27/ 34S - Build Stalker
4:21.65: 87M 37G 46E 29/ 34S - Build Probe
4:29.06: 125M 51G 50E 30/ 34S - Build Stalker
4:29.06: 0M 1G 50E 32/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
4:38.65: 115M 20G 31E 32/ 34S - Build Probe
4:38.65: 65M 20G 31E 33/ 34S - Chrono Gateway
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
4:57.06: 293M 55G 16E 33/ 34S
Income: 744M 114G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 3 Pylon 2 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 23 Probe 5 Stalker
Upgrades:
So you can get it almost 6s faster, with the same number of probes, if you don't ask for the Nexus to be constantly in use. Anyone got a better way to describe to the algorithm what you actually want with 'constant probe production'?
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United States63 Posts
Hey CarbonTwelve, I've been loving this program and it's amazing how well you are maintaining it. Here are some possible bugs I've noticed:
1. While many people have commented on the program getting 4 geysers for no reason and putting 7 probes on gas, etc, I've been noticing the program takes several hundred million games to even consider getting gas, despite the builds I am requesting having gas intensive units.
2. On one build request, I requested 2 Nexi for my 4th waypoint, and the program seemingly never built another Nexus despite having over 1.5K minerals.
3. Perhaps I misunderstand "fitness" as your program's measure of the strength of a build, or how well it achieves the requests, but I have been seeing the build actually go down in fitness at times, this may be linked the the 2 Nexi waypoint never being satisfied, however.
Finally, a little suggestion. Is there a way to make the program settle on a build every 100 million games or so and look at how to insert chronoboosts to improve upon that build? What I mean is making it stop "breeding" and force it to simply spend energy every so often as a way to keep Nexus energy under 100? Probably not but just a thought? Keep up the great work man.
My waypoints for my build were as follows:
WP1: 2pylons, 2gateways, 20 probes, 1 zealot (240s)
WP2: 3 Zealots
WP3: 5 Zealots, 2 Stalkers
WP4: 2 Nexi
Target: 15 Zealots, 5 Stalkers, 2 Collosus
If time is not specified, I left is as the default. Also, this build has worked with a fitness over 20,000 when I have left waypoint 1 at 300 seconds.
***EDIT***
A neat little request, a simple race to 200 supply where the computer can make up build so long as it reaches 200 supply, and attempts to minimize that time. Would be fun and possibly shed light on some interesting ideas!!!
***2nd Edit***
After allowing the program to run for over an hour, It achieved my build order and beat the time I was able to do by over 30 seconds, although it used what I would imagine is slightly suboptimal because of my use of chronoboost, so your program definitely works, my bugs weren't bugs, just me jumping to conclusion because it was taking over 15 minutes.
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On November 16 2010 13:17 patron wrote:
1. While many people have commented on the program getting 4 geysers for no reason and putting 7 probes on gas, etc, I've been noticing the program takes several hundred million games to even consider getting gas, despite the builds I am requesting having gas intensive units.
Can you give some examples of builds never considering getting gas? Or even ones where it gets 4 geysers without doing anything with them? The only way I can see these sort of things happening is for builds where it struggles to get a satisfactory result, like Archon builds.
2. On one build request, I requested 2 Nexi for my 4th waypoint, and the program seemingly never built another Nexus despite having over 1.5K minerals.
Again, need an example of this. Please include full details of each waypoint as well as the results you get.
3. Perhaps I misunderstand "fitness" as your program's measure of the strength of a build, or how well it achieves the requests, but I have been seeing the build actually go down in fitness at times, this may be linked the the 2 Nexi waypoint never being satisfied, however.
Yeah, that does happen. Basically the fitness value you see in the list box is just a rough representation of the actual fitness (which has 4 values to it). Generally this is similar, but sometimes the single value representation gives a higher number for a fitness that the algorithm considers worse, hence why you might see it go slightly down sometimes.
Finally, a little suggestion. Is there a way to make the program settle on a build every 100 million games or so and look at how to insert chronoboosts to improve upon that build? What I mean is making it stop "breeding" and force it to simply spend energy every so often as a way to keep Nexus energy under 100? Probably not but just a thought?
It effectively always does this. Also, you can't always just play around with chrono boosts without changing the order that other commands are done in at the same time. As such, it's best just to leave it to do its evolving as is.
My waypoints for my build were as follows:
WP1: 2pylons, 2gateways, 20 probes, 1 zealot (240s)
WP2: 3 Zealots
WP3: 5 Zealots, 2 Stalkers
WP4: 2 Nexi
Target: 15 Zealots, 5 Stalkers, 2 Collosus
Ah, so these are the waypoints for the issues you saw above? Could you also include the results it gave and how long it was running for?
A neat little request, a simple race to 200 supply where the computer can make up build so long as it reaches 200 supply, and attempts to minimize that time. Would be fun and possibly shed light on some interesting ideas!!!
Hmm, I could try and build a fitness function for this, but I'm not sure how accurate it would be, and I'm not sure how useful it is either. Possibly something for long term consideration.
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United States63 Posts
Thanks Carbon, not sure if you read my edits, but it finally got over it's retard hump and figured out a build that was working with over 22.5k fitness, which is the highest I've seen, so yea. Lol. How I use the program, is I have an idea of what I want, 2 thermal lance colossi and some ground fodder to tank, and I run it for an hour, decide that I want more probes so I up the count and run for an hour, maybe now I look at the results and think it can squeeze in 2 stalkers, etc. So In my particular case, I keep updating my waypoints to be more and more stringent, probably making the program take longer to find a way to satisfy them.
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On November 16 2010 13:45 patron wrote:
Thanks Carbon, not sure if you read my edits, but it finally got over it's retard hump and figured out a build that was working with over 22.5k fitness, which is the highest I've seen, so yea. Lol. How I use the program, is I have an idea of what I want, 2 thermal lance colossi and some ground fodder to tank, and I run it for an hour, decide that I want more probes so I up the count and run for an hour, maybe now I look at the results and think it can squeeze in 2 stalkers, etc. So In my particular case, I keep updating my waypoints to be more and more stringent, probably making the program take longer to find a way to satisfy them.
Yeah, the more complicated the build order (more waypoints & more units/buildings/research) then the longer it will take to get to the 'correct' result. Unfortunately that's somewhat unavoidable, even regardless of what kind of AI technique you use to solve something. Good to hear there aren't bugs though, at least not in this instance 
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United States63 Posts
Seriously I'm really impressed in what you are doing. I took a C++ class for my Physics major, and hell if I could do this in a year. You have a gift, my friend, and we are grateful you are sharing it with the Starcraft 2 Community.
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