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CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-12 07:21:07
November 08 2010 04:32 GMT
#1
Note: some people who first look at the build order overlay think it is an attempt to gain an advantage in ladder games. Well no it is not. The purpose of the build order overlay is for both skilled and casual players to practice build orders on their own more effectively. Of course, skilled players who spend a lot of time practicing different build orders or coming up with new ones will find this tool more helpful.

Update: Just made a quick release to address some XP and non-English language setting issues. Link is still below.

Hello everyone,

I made this utility app (called RUK) for sc2 and I'm confident that almost everyone will find it to be useful.

Currently, it has 3 complete features:

- Voice-activated Build Order overlay
- Key Remapper
- Replays Manager

It is free and always will be. So please try it out and give me some feedbacks.

I just wrote up an article talking about the usage of this app on a fan site I'm developing:

http://www.screborn.com/ruk/

You can also download the app and look at some screenshots there. In case you still want to read on, I'll copy paste some of the stuff I wrote in that article.

Key Remapper

This interface allows users to remap their keys on the keyboard to other keys. For example, they can map the tilde key (the one to the left of 1) to BACKSPACE. BACKSPACE in sc2 cycles through your current bases. After the mapping, you can use Tilde instead. You click on the Turn On Mapping button for the mapping to take place. And you can add or delete mappings using the Add and Delete buttons.

Replays Manager

Upon first usage, the controls in this interface are disabled. User needs to locate their replays folder to enable this interface. You do that using the Replay Folder button. After your Replays folder is located, all your replays will be pulled to the list box on the left. When you select (click on) one of them, the map, matchup, and player names will be shown on the right side. You can also select a replay and use the Save As button to save it somewhere else. The Save As dialog will conveniently rename the file to something more descriptive (i.e. premium (P) vs Reborn (Z) on Steppes of War.SC2Replay).

Voice-activated Build Order overlay

This feature draws your Build Orders on top of your SC2 window. And it does so using your voice. So if you have inputted a build order with phonetic "3 rax timing push" and say to your microphone "3 rax timing push", the corresponding build order will be shown on the screen. This overlay does require SC2 to be run in fullscreen windowed mode.

This feature is extremely good in situations where you need to pull off a perfect opening using some build that you don't usually use and remember. It is also very helpful when you need to practice a build and you don't want to alt-tab or look at somewhere away from the screen.

Currently on the ladder, many players just do the same build over and over and over and over again. This is because they have a build that they are most comfortable with and will feel less secure if they opt for something else. To me this is also a memory/practice issue. So hopefully, this build order overlay will make players comfortable with every single build order they have in the Utility Kit.
make it simple but no simpler
Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
November 08 2010 04:35 GMT
#2
Is all of this in compliance with Blizzard's rules?

Will definitely try it out if so.
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
November 08 2010 04:44 GMT
#3
As far as I know, yes it is 100% legit. It doesn't read or modify game memory. Nor does it use any kind of key stroke macro.
make it simple but no simpler
Beider
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany198 Posts
November 08 2010 08:26 GMT
#4
The build order overlay seems fairly useful, however why the key remapper. You can change your hotkeys ingame anyway.

Also since you said it was a legit program (ie. does not edit game files or memory) then your key mapper has to work by simply picking up when the user presses X key and sending a keypress for Y key instead? So assuming you remap something which already has a function on Y, then you would end up executing both actions as SC2 probably picks up the first keypress as well.
Bibzball
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France250 Posts
November 08 2010 08:30 GMT
#5
Even though it does not edit game files or memory, I'm not sure this is 100% legit mostly because of the key remapping thing that can be abused. Don't know for sure though.
Will try this out thanks.
DANIEL ! GET OUT OF THE WATER !!!
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
November 08 2010 09:32 GMT
#6
On November 08 2010 17:26 Beider wrote:
The build order overlay seems fairly useful, however why the key remapper. You can change your hotkeys ingame anyway.

Also since you said it was a legit program (ie. does not edit game files or memory) then your key mapper has to work by simply picking up when the user presses X key and sending a keypress for Y key instead? So assuming you remap something which already has a function on Y, then you would end up executing both actions as SC2 probably picks up the first keypress as well.


The original Key/Event is suppressed.

Actually, changing the in-game keys is not that easy. Try changing the BACKSPACE key.

With this app, you can easily map Tilde (`) to BACKSPACE (which cycles your bases). A lot of zerg players do this for easier larvae injection.
make it simple but no simpler
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
November 08 2010 09:34 GMT
#7
On November 08 2010 17:30 Bibzball wrote:
Even though it does not edit game files or memory, I'm not sure this is 100% legit mostly because of the key remapping thing that can be abused. Don't know for sure though.
Will try this out thanks.


Ah no need to worry. =)

Blizz already said in starcraft2.com forum that this kind of key remapping is legit.
make it simple but no simpler
Malhavoc
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 09:53:19
November 08 2010 09:52 GMT
#8
Still at work so can't test it right now.. I've read about the Extractor timer. Nice idea. Is there an zerg injection timer as well? Or even better, can I configure my own timers?

And what about the speech recognition? If it misses it and give me the wrong BO, can I close it and open another? Same thing if for some reason I need to leave my current BO, can I easily remove the list from the screen?
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
November 08 2010 10:18 GMT
#9
On November 08 2010 18:52 Malhavoc wrote:
Still at work so can't test it right now.. I've read about the Extractor timer. Nice idea. Is there an zerg injection timer as well? Or even better, can I configure my own timers?

And what about the speech recognition? If it misses it and give me the wrong BO, can I close it and open another? Same thing if for some reason I need to leave my current BO, can I easily remove the list from the screen?


Yup for all your concerns. You can clear the overlay with command "Clear Build Order" (I need to remember to put it in the usages). You will also be able to configure your own timers as much as you want.
make it simple but no simpler
abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
November 08 2010 10:21 GMT
#10
Talking about 'bending the rules' I tried to find an application (magnifier) which could make my minimap full screen on my second monitor.
I have awful awful eyesight and I'd love the minimap larger on another display.
I found something which worked but it had a 1 second lag to updating and it was repeatedly flashing, so useless
derpmods
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 10:24:39
November 08 2010 10:24 GMT
#11
On November 08 2010 19:21 abrasion wrote:
Talking about 'bending the rules' I tried to find an application (magnifier) which could make my minimap full screen on my second monitor.
I have awful awful eyesight and I'd love the minimap larger on another display.
I found something which worked but it had a 1 second lag to updating and it was repeatedly flashing, so useless

Haha that's pretty funny if it's true.

But anyhow the overlay thing is really useful if you spend time practice a lot of build orders with friends. You can give it a shot if you don't believe me. =)
make it simple but no simpler
Rosvall
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 10:51:48
November 08 2010 10:30 GMT
#12
Can you map stuff to mouse button 4 and 5?
With that I mean 'Windows mouse button 4" and 5.
RTP
adwodon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom592 Posts
November 08 2010 10:38 GMT
#13
Site is down?

Sounds like a pretty awesome util though!
Malhavoc
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 10:43:46
November 08 2010 10:43 GMT
#14
Another concern: what if I'm doing 2v2 and I use the mic to talk with my friend? Is this application going to spam me with possibile BO/timers interpretations of what I'm saying to my friend? If it's so, it would be nice to have an option to activate its speech recognition feature just when I'm keeping a specific button pressed.. a sort of Push-to-talk-to-the-application.
loadme
Profile Joined April 2010
171 Posts
November 08 2010 11:32 GMT
#15
in my opinion stuff like this kills the idea behind the game
yes everyone could use this support, but not everyone is using it.

that being said: for me everyone not using this is the real winner of the match.
especially if the player beats someone that uses overlayed build orders.. or remapped keys
Yes.
ProtiK
Profile Joined July 2010
United States42 Posts
November 08 2010 11:36 GMT
#16
This seems extremely useful, I'll definitely be taking a look when I get home. How good is the voice recognition?
Malhavoc
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy308 Posts
November 08 2010 11:50 GMT
#17
On November 08 2010 20:32 loadme wrote:
in my opinion stuff like this kills the idea behind the game
yes everyone could use this support, but not everyone is using it.

that being said: for me everyone not using this is the real winner of the match.
especially if the player beats someone that uses overlayed build orders.. or remapped keys



Someone knowing the BO by his own will always be better than one using this. I'm planning to use this, but just as a mean to easily learn BOs and being able to play without it. I could just practice a LOT of build orders in solitaire, but this way I can practice AND play and the same time. Much better.

As for remapped keys, it's just unbelievable that Blizzard isn't allowing this on it's own. There's nothing inherently wrong in remapping to your likings.
abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
November 08 2010 13:18 GMT
#18
On November 08 2010 19:24 CreepGin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 19:21 abrasion wrote:
Talking about 'bending the rules' I tried to find an application (magnifier) which could make my minimap full screen on my second monitor.
I have awful awful eyesight and I'd love the minimap larger on another display.
I found something which worked but it had a 1 second lag to updating and it was repeatedly flashing, so useless

Haha that's pretty funny if it's true.

But anyhow the overlay thing is really useful if you spend time practice a lot of build orders with friends. You can give it a shot if you don't believe me. =)


[image loading]


The version on the right is some kind of 3'rd party "magnifier" tool - but it was laggy, flashing and so on. However the idea is sound.
derpmods
Malhavoc
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 19:29:46
November 08 2010 19:19 GMT
#19
Tried the application. Loads, but when I turn on voice recognition, it crashes with this error (notice: i've got Italian Windows7, translating error from italian into english):

System.InvalidOperationException: The Grammar Language chosen does not correspond to the speech recognition one.

From what I've read around, .NET uses by default, for the grammar, the installed OS's language. Unfortunately for me, italian speech recognition is not existent for the italian language. You should manually set it up to english by code; this should hopefully fix the problem.

Something like this:

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GrammarBuilder builder = choices.ToGrammarBuilder();
11 builder.Culture = CultureInfo.GetCultureInfo("en-US");
12 Grammar grammar = new Grammar(builder);
13 sre.LoadGrammar(grammar);
14 sre.SetInputToDefaultAudioDevice();
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 21:08:08
November 08 2010 21:03 GMT
#20
tested and works like advertised.
can be a bit slow to start up.
files manager pretty basic, would be nice to load games directly from there.
build order and reminder are pretty niche and probably wont get much use, but neat.
Suggest you just use "clear build".

edit - tried the create build order, here is a basic 3gate blink build you can add:
http://www.screborn.com/buildorder/9jn
could use upgrades/cronoboost, but not essential due to notes.
just imagine I put in boost probe, then wg, then blink.

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kontrol
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada32 Posts
November 08 2010 21:09 GMT
#21
Just would like to remind such application could contain key logger .
Try before you cry.
crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
November 08 2010 21:15 GMT
#22
On November 08 2010 20:50 Malhavoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 20:32 loadme wrote:
in my opinion stuff like this kills the idea behind the game
yes everyone could use this support, but not everyone is using it.

that being said: for me everyone not using this is the real winner of the match.
especially if the player beats someone that uses overlayed build orders.. or remapped keys



Someone knowing the BO by his own will always be better than one using this. I'm planning to use this, but just as a mean to easily learn BOs and being able to play without it. I could just practice a LOT of build orders in solitaire, but this way I can practice AND play and the same time. Much better.

As for remapped keys, it's just unbelievable that Blizzard isn't allowing this on it's own. There's nothing inherently wrong in remapping to your likings.


You can always check out YABOT (Yet Another Build Order Tester). It's a custom map on battle.net and can display BOs up on the upper left corner and will check off the steps you completed as you play.
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 22:44:35
November 08 2010 22:43 GMT
#23
Just got back from work, I'll answer all the question I missed so far in this post.

Can you map stuff to mouse button 4 and 5?
With that I mean 'Windows mouse button 4" and 5.


Right now RUK only does Keyboard remapping. The only thing that holds me back from doing the mouse mapping is the legitimacy issue.

Site is down?


Oops, was the crowd of sc2 players too big for my server to handle? Anyway, it's up and running when I checked few seconds ago.

Another concern: what if I'm doing 2v2 and I use the mic to talk with my friend? Is this application going to spam me with possibile BO/timers interpretations of what I'm saying to my friend? If it's so, it would be nice to have an option to activate its speech recognition feature just when I'm keeping a specific button pressed.. a sort of Push-to-talk-to-the-application.


I'm also trying to come up with a way to address this issue. I can either, like you said, add a press-to-talk key or use a special voice command to activate/deactivate the build order overlay. Still experimenting with this =)

that being said: for me everyone not using this is the real winner of the match.
especially if the player beats someone that uses overlayed build orders


I think most people will use the overlay to *practice* different build orders. Not sure if I gave any false impression that having the overlay = having an advantage in a ladder match.

I could just practice a LOT of build orders in solitaire, but this way I can practice AND play and the same time. Much better.


Same here =)

The version on the right is some kind of 3'rd party "magnifier" tool - but it was laggy, flashing and so on. However the idea is sound.


Sweet hehe.

From what I've read around, .NET uses by default, for the grammar, the installed OS's language. Unfortunately for me, italian speech recognition is not existent for the italian language. You should manually set it up to english by code; this should hopefully fix the problem.


I will address this ASAP. Sorry for the inconvenient; I should've thought about it before.

tested and works like advertised.
can be a bit slow to start up.
files manager pretty basic, would be nice to load games directly from there.
build order and reminder are pretty niche and probably wont get much use, but neat.
Suggest you just use "clear build".


Suggestions taken. And thanks for the build order, I will include more build orders in the next release.



make it simple but no simpler
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
November 09 2010 17:26 GMT
#24
On November 09 2010 06:09 kontrol wrote:
Just would like to remind such application could contain key logger .


Thats why I didn't load it up yet

It sounds like such a brilliant practice tool that I wanna use it, anyone had some experience with it yet?
Socke Fighting!!!!
MegaBUD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada179 Posts
November 09 2010 17:34 GMT
#25
Computer, Build more rax.

Computer, Train more marines.

Computer, More SCV NOW!

Computer, Tea, Earl Grey, Hot.
Keifru
Profile Joined November 2010
United States179 Posts
November 09 2010 22:27 GMT
#26
Is there any chance it could be somehow ported to work with Macs?

I was looking forward to help tightening up my build orders with some reminders while practicing.
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kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
November 09 2010 22:34 GMT
#27
On November 10 2010 02:34 MegaBUD wrote:
Computer, Build more rax.

Computer, Train more marines.

Computer, More SCV NOW!

Computer, Tea, Earl Grey, Hot.


Make it so.
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CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 00:10:08
November 10 2010 00:09 GMT
#28
On November 10 2010 02:26 resilve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:09 kontrol wrote:
Just would like to remind such application could contain key logger .


Thats why I didn't load it up yet

It sounds like such a brilliant practice tool that I wanna use it, anyone had some experience with it yet?


Scan it up. I didn't spend all the effort just to try to key log people. Thanks for the good words though. =D

Computer, Build more rax.

Computer, Train more marines.

Computer, More SCV NOW!

Computer, Tea, Earl Grey, Hot.


Even if my program can do that, you would get a real shitty APM that way =/

Is there any chance it could be somehow ported to work with Macs?

I was looking forward to help tightening up my build orders with some reminders while practicing.


I'm afraid that my skills in cocoa is not that great. I have made Mac desktop and mobile apps before, however keyboard hook and speech recognition in Mac OS are some of the things I'm not familiar with.

I will though take a look into this.
make it simple but no simpler
Cronium
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8 Posts
November 10 2010 00:38 GMT
#29
Doesn't seem to handle my Australian accent very well. Other than that good job
jgreen46
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada94 Posts
November 10 2010 02:56 GMT
#30
sometimes, i wish i didn't have a mac
Tiegrr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States607 Posts
November 10 2010 04:08 GMT
#31
Doesn't work for me. It just gives me the 'blahblahblah is not working and has to close" message.
Almania
Profile Joined September 2010
145 Posts
November 10 2010 04:16 GMT
#32
I think it may violate the license agreement:

"You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience,"
styl3s
Profile Joined October 2010
United States36 Posts
November 10 2010 04:29 GMT
#33
On November 10 2010 13:16 Almania wrote:
I think it may violate the license agreement:

"You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience,"

Well it isn't a hack/bot/cheat and is it really modifying the experience? that is the million dollar question, although i think if it isn't legal it should, it's no different then having post-it notes on your monitor or beside you with build orders, this just makes it easier.

if anything blizzard should encourage something like this for new players and players that aren't that good.
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 05:16:58
November 10 2010 05:14 GMT
#34
On November 10 2010 13:08 Tiegrr wrote:
Doesn't work for me. It just gives me the 'blahblahblah is not working and has to close" message.


If you have .Net Framework 4.0, the program should at least run. If you are having trouble with the reply manager, you may need to install the Windows SDK. Anyhow, instructions on getting those things are on the download page:

http://www.screborn.com/ruk/

On November 10 2010 13:29 styl3s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 13:16 Almania wrote:
I think it may violate the license agreement:

"You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience,"

Well it isn't a hack/bot/cheat and is it really modifying the experience? that is the million dollar question, although i think if it isn't legal it should, it's no different then having post-it notes on your monitor or beside you with build orders, this just makes it easier.

if anything blizzard should encourage something like this for new players and players that aren't that good.


Yup that's one of the reason I made this - helping out new and casual players.

The other reason is to help out skilled players who spend a lot of time practicing different build orders or coming out with new builds.
make it simple but no simpler
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
November 10 2010 05:58 GMT
#35
Computer, kill



Downloading! Thanks for helping the casual player
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djengizz
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands42 Posts
November 10 2010 07:34 GMT
#36
On November 10 2010 13:08 Tiegrr wrote:
Doesn't work for me. It just gives me the 'blahblahblah is not working and has to close" message.

Same here.

On November 10 2010 14:14 CreepGin wrote:
If you have .Net Framework 4.0, the program should at least run. If you are having trouble with the reply manager, you may need to install the Windows SDK. Anyhow, instructions on getting those things are on the download page:

http://www.screborn.com/ruk/

I followed the instructions installing .Net Framework 4.0 and the Windows Headers and Librairies Component form the SDK but so far no luck,,,
nodq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany123 Posts
November 10 2010 11:03 GMT
#37
Even if its legit and not banable by blizzard, IMHO its cheating... and it sucks. Everyone who uses this should learn to play.
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noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
November 10 2010 11:13 GMT
#38
port it to android =D
Tyler918273
Profile Joined September 2010
115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 14:31:54
November 10 2010 14:28 GMT
#39
On November 10 2010 20:03 nodq wrote:
Even if its legit and not banable by blizzard, IMHO its cheating... and it sucks. Everyone who uses this should learn to play.


I think thats the point. Its used to help people learn to play. I dont think you'll see it in tournaments or anywhere theres money on the line. Its just to remind you of what you are trying to do. And the key remapping, bliz said they were adding that in a future patch anyway. Its not like this is going to allow a scrub to hang with the pros. Its just a practice tool that can be used in real game scenarios. I'm probably not going to use it, but its a great idea to help people practice execution.

Edit: oh and why would you want it on android? Going to look down at your phone instead of the screen sc2 is already on? Btw I already have a bo app on my droid and it doesn't have anything good. Your better off writing your own in a notepad.
Mob
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria152 Posts
November 10 2010 15:13 GMT
#40
we do not want to play wow, do we?
this would certainly feel like it.
yadda!
styl3s
Profile Joined October 2010
United States36 Posts
November 10 2010 16:32 GMT
#41
On November 10 2010 20:03 nodq wrote:
Even if its legit and not banable by blizzard, IMHO its cheating... and it sucks. Everyone who uses this should learn to play.

This helps people learn how to play.. How exactly is it cheating? it it isn't a bot, it doesn't show the map, doesn't give a clear advantage..

You say people should learn how to play well this helps them.. /shrug
QofQfromtehQ
Profile Joined October 2010
29 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 17:16:21
November 10 2010 17:14 GMT
#42
The program just wont reply to my voice.
I entered a Build Order with the Phonetic "Drops" and even if i say "Drops" a thousand times nothing happens.

I clicked "turn on" in the program too btw.
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 23:35:24
November 10 2010 23:26 GMT
#43
On November 10 2010 23:28 Tyler918273 wrote:
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On November 10 2010 20:03 nodq wrote:
Even if its legit and not banable by blizzard, IMHO its cheating... and it sucks. Everyone who uses this should learn to play.


I think thats the point. Its used to help people learn to play. I dont think you'll see it in tournaments or anywhere theres money on the line. Its just to remind you of what you are trying to do. And the key remapping, bliz said they were adding that in a future patch anyway. Its not like this is going to allow a scrub to hang with the pros. Its just a practice tool that can be used in real game scenarios. I'm probably not going to use it, but its a great idea to help people practice execution.

Edit: oh and why would you want it on android? Going to look down at your phone instead of the screen sc2 is already on? Btw I already have a bo app on my droid and it doesn't have anything good. Your better off writing your own in a notepad.


On November 11 2010 01:32 styl3s wrote:
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On November 10 2010 20:03 nodq wrote:
Even if its legit and not banable by blizzard, IMHO its cheating... and it sucks. Everyone who uses this should learn to play.

This helps people learn how to play.. How exactly is it cheating? it it isn't a bot, it doesn't show the map, doesn't give a clear advantage..

You say people should learn how to play well this helps them.. /shrug


Yup thanks guys.

I think I'm going to put a disclaimer on top of the first post saying this tool Helps you to practice. Not in anyway does it claim to gain you an advantage in a ladder game.


On November 10 2010 16:34 djengizz wrote:
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On November 10 2010 13:08 Tiegrr wrote:
Doesn't work for me. It just gives me the 'blahblahblah is not working and has to close" message.

Same here.

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On November 10 2010 14:14 CreepGin wrote:
If you have .Net Framework 4.0, the program should at least run. If you are having trouble with the reply manager, you may need to install the Windows SDK. Anyhow, instructions on getting those things are on the download page:

http://www.screborn.com/ruk/

I followed the instructions installing .Net Framework 4.0 and the Windows Headers and Librairies Component form the SDK but so far no luck,,,


That is very weird. Before releasing this, I did test this with 4 of my friends and on 10 + different computers. .net 4.0 and Windows SDK should set up everything.

If you don't mind the trouble and the extra install size, would you try installing all the components in Windows SDK. They are mostly just tools and libraries (should not slow down your computer in any way).
make it simple but no simpler
ShivRa
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada12 Posts
November 11 2010 00:10 GMT
#44
any news when the new files will be released?
Idra, Whitera, ShivRa
Tiegrr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States607 Posts
November 11 2010 00:40 GMT
#45
On November 10 2010 14:14 CreepGin wrote:
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On November 10 2010 13:08 Tiegrr wrote:
Doesn't work for me. It just gives me the 'blahblahblah is not working and has to close" message.


If you have .Net Framework 4.0, the program should at least run. If you are having trouble with the reply manager, you may need to install the Windows SDK. Anyhow, instructions on getting those things are on the download page:

http://www.screborn.com/ruk/


I installed .Net 4.0 a week before (had reformatted), and reinstalled it again when the program didn't work the first time. It still closes before it "starts up".
djengizz
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands42 Posts
November 11 2010 08:57 GMT
#46
On November 11 2010 08:26 CreepGin wrote:

I followed the instructions installing .Net Framework 4.0 and the Windows Headers and Librairies Component form the SDK but so far no luck,,,[/QUOTE]

That is very weird. Before releasing this, I did test this with 4 of my friends and on 10 + different computers. .net 4.0 and Windows SDK should set up everything.

If you don't mind the trouble and the extra install size, would you try installing all the components in Windows SDK. They are mostly just tools and libraries (should not slow down your computer in any way).[/QUOTE]
Tried it but still no luck.
I'm on Windows 7 64bit Dutch fwiw.
TekKpriest
Profile Joined March 2010
308 Posts
November 11 2010 09:16 GMT
#47
i guess that this program will be banned, especially with the voice reminder.

Since this program provides an advantage over those who dont use it, and thats enough for blizz to ban :>
A Man chooses, a slave obeys
Semirhage
Profile Joined September 2010
44 Posts
November 11 2010 11:15 GMT
#48
On November 11 2010 18:16 TekKpriest wrote:
i guess that this program will be banned, especially with the voice reminder.

Since this program provides an advantage over those who dont use it, and thats enough for blizz to ban :>

This.

Also I believe displaying information in the game is against the rules (which is why trainers or whatever are programmed to tell you through AUDIO that your APM is low or stuff like that). Whether that concerns only in-game live information (like your income or your production) or ANY information, I don't know.

But I wouldn't use this program until I knew if I were you. Can't you just write it down?
Malhavoc
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 15:21:12
November 11 2010 13:21 GMT
#49
Rules made by Blizzard are vague on purpose, so that they can evaluate on a case-by-case.

However, this program is roughly the equivalent of having:

- A second monitor with a notepad opened and the BO displayed on it

- One or more clocks on your desk with countdowns you can push to hear rings short after


Even if those things may not be allowed on a tournament, I find laughable that those two things may be considered "cheating and being unfair". Actually, I really think that someone who knows build orders and timings on his own will still be miles ahead compared to someone using this. This is just for those who are still learning.
dante`afk
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
November 11 2010 13:45 GMT
#50
hmm

that looks very useful to.

lets see what blizzard says...imo its nothing more then a notepad with text that you have opened on another screen or the same one ...
TekKpriest
Profile Joined March 2010
308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 17:06:39
November 11 2010 17:05 GMT
#51
On November 11 2010 22:21 Malhavoc wrote:
Rules made by Blizzard are vague on purpose, so that they can evaluate on a case-by-case.

However, this program is roughly the equivalent of having:

- A second monitor with a notepad opened and the BO displayed on it

- One or more clocks on your desk with countdowns you can push to hear rings short after


Even if those things may not be allowed on a tournament, I find laughable that those two things may be considered "cheating and being unfair". Actually, I really think that someone who knows build orders and timings on his own will still be miles ahead compared to someone using this. This is just for those who are still learning.



we have YABOT and stuff like that for learning BO's, memorizing the building times is pretty easy too, but will take some time laddering etc.

Believe me i was banned for writing an using a program which is much worse than the one provided here in wc3.

Also, a 2nd monitor or several clocks are drawing attention away from your gaming monitor, so you might miss a dropship because you looked away or smth like that, this won't happen (or at least not that often) if you use an overlay on your current monitor and look on the minimap, which is easier and thus bannable.

If Blizz detects it, you might get banned, thats a fact.
A Man chooses, a slave obeys
MntLightning
Profile Joined April 2010
United States19 Posts
November 11 2010 17:15 GMT
#52
On November 12 2010 02:05 TekKpriest wrote:
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On November 11 2010 22:21 Malhavoc wrote:
Rules made by Blizzard are vague on purpose, so that they can evaluate on a case-by-case.

However, this program is roughly the equivalent of having:

- A second monitor with a notepad opened and the BO displayed on it

- One or more clocks on your desk with countdowns you can push to hear rings short after


Even if those things may not be allowed on a tournament, I find laughable that those two things may be considered "cheating and being unfair". Actually, I really think that someone who knows build orders and timings on his own will still be miles ahead compared to someone using this. This is just for those who are still learning.



we have YABOT and stuff like that for learning BO's, memorizing the building times is pretty easy too, but will take some time laddering etc.

Believe me i was banned for writing an using a program which is much worse than the one provided here in wc3.

Also, a 2nd monitor or several clocks are drawing attention away from your gaming monitor, so you might miss a dropship because you looked away or smth like that, this won't happen (or at least not that often) if you use an overlay on your current monitor and look on the minimap, which is easier and thus bannable.

If Blizz detects it, you might get banned, thats a fact.


How does Blizz detect a program that doesn't effect the actual game itself?
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Horuku
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
November 11 2010 17:19 GMT
#53
Yeah, this just seems too flakey to even consider using. Blizzard can easily one day decide this program is considered cheating and have SC2 scan your active processes when you load SC2 and if it detects this, they ban it.

You need to e-mail them and ask them what their policy on this program is. To a lot of people it is an unfair advantage, as it makes it nigh impossible not to follow a build order as it is on your screen. Personally I write down my builds on the notepad that came with SC2 and have to glance away if I forget what to do. This program basically tells you in game what to do. Just because it doesn't inject itself into the memory that SC2 is using doesn't mean it isn't detectable and isn't considered a cheat.

Also, this is a third party addon, which they state in the EULA that unauthorized addons are not allowed.
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TekKpriest
Profile Joined March 2010
308 Posts
November 11 2010 17:46 GMT
#54
On November 12 2010 02:15 MntLightning wrote:
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On November 12 2010 02:05 TekKpriest wrote:
On November 11 2010 22:21 Malhavoc wrote:
Rules made by Blizzard are vague on purpose, so that they can evaluate on a case-by-case.

However, this program is roughly the equivalent of having:

- A second monitor with a notepad opened and the BO displayed on it

- One or more clocks on your desk with countdowns you can push to hear rings short after


Even if those things may not be allowed on a tournament, I find laughable that those two things may be considered "cheating and being unfair". Actually, I really think that someone who knows build orders and timings on his own will still be miles ahead compared to someone using this. This is just for those who are still learning.



we have YABOT and stuff like that for learning BO's, memorizing the building times is pretty easy too, but will take some time laddering etc.

Believe me i was banned for writing an using a program which is much worse than the one provided here in wc3.

Also, a 2nd monitor or several clocks are drawing attention away from your gaming monitor, so you might miss a dropship because you looked away or smth like that, this won't happen (or at least not that often) if you use an overlay on your current monitor and look on the minimap, which is easier and thus bannable.

If Blizz detects it, you might get banned, thats a fact.


How does Blizz detect a program that doesn't effect the actual game itself?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)
A Man chooses, a slave obeys
449
Profile Joined October 2010
United States53 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 21:48:29
November 11 2010 21:09 GMT
#55
My framerate goes down to 30 when the overlay is on top. I have NET Framework 4.0 and the necessary SDK components installed. I'm using x64 Windows 7, aero disabled, GTX 460. Any suggestions?

On November 10 2010 07:27 Keifru wrote:
Is there any chance it could be somehow ported to work with Macs?


No guarantees, but it would be worth giving WINE a shot. http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-12 21:23:44
November 12 2010 07:19 GMT
#56
Hey guys,

I'm releasing a new quick build in hope to fix some issues with people using XP or other non-English OS's.

http://www.screborn.com/ruk/

If you still have trouble running RUK, try this custom build:

Install Shield: http://www.screborn.com/_ruk/download/RUK.exe

Also, for the debate over the build order overlay, it would be silly for Blizz to ban you from using it. Like other people said, it's exactly like having a sticky note on your screen. I find it useful. Half of the repliers find it to be helpful. So, I'm happy. =) I'll keep improving on it.

My framerate goes down to 30 when the overlay is on top. I have NET Framework 4.0 and the necessary SDK components installed. I'm using x64 Windows 7, aero disabled, GTX 460. Any suggestions?

Is your sc2 game client in maximized window mode? I never really experienced any framerate drop. It could be due to another arbitrary source.
make it simple but no simpler
449
Profile Joined October 2010
United States53 Posts
November 14 2010 22:58 GMT
#57
On November 12 2010 16:19 CreepGin wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm releasing a new quick build in hope to fix some issues with people using XP or other non-English OS's.

http://www.screborn.com/ruk/

If you still have trouble running RUK, try this custom build:

Install Shield: http://www.screborn.com/_ruk/download/RUK.exe

Also, for the debate over the build order overlay, it would be silly for Blizz to ban you from using it. Like other people said, it's exactly like having a sticky note on your screen. I find it useful. Half of the repliers find it to be helpful. So, I'm happy. =) I'll keep improving on it.

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My framerate goes down to 30 when the overlay is on top. I have NET Framework 4.0 and the necessary SDK components installed. I'm using x64 Windows 7, aero disabled, GTX 460. Any suggestions?

Is your sc2 game client in maximized window mode? I never really experienced any framerate drop. It could be due to another arbitrary source.


Yes, it's set to Fullscreen Windowed mode. I can alt-tab the overlay so it's no longer visible but still running, and my fps will jump back up to the normal 100+.
GreatDecay
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2 Posts
December 22 2010 00:00 GMT
#58
Just wanted to see if this project was still alive. I was looking forward to the promised future updates.
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