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labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
October 16 2011 21:04 GMT
#821
The extended series rule is retarded, and it has ruined so many MLGs and screwed over so many players on the way (Boxer T_T). The moment MLG gets rid of it, it will be a MUCH better event.
Attilanator
Profile Joined March 2011
United States154 Posts
October 16 2011 21:22 GMT
#822
As much as I like Idra, I think the extended series rule gave him an unfair advantage.

I mean, it seems illogical that he gets the benefits of winning two games TWICE. The two wins he got in pool play should have counted for there and only there, and in the championship bracket the players should be given a clean slate. Essentially, Idra was given 4 wins for two games, which makes no sense to me.

I also understand why extended series in the final is "fair", but it really kills the fun of the finals. I mean, what are the odds of the LB player winning? And has it ever happened? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it has. It just makes the finals very anticlimactic... at the very least, the UB player should start with only 1 win instead of two, or (Even better) make the series a straight up BO7 without any starting advantages.
MC | HuK | TLO |WhiteRa | Tyler | DIMAGA | Naniwa | Boxer | Strelok | HerO Hwaiting!
Yung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States727 Posts
October 16 2011 21:22 GMT
#823
It's a dumb rule, it gives win that shouldnt have been won, but I do like it because of idra winning vs boxer, but i dont like it because he has to win 4 games vs mkp now
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
October 16 2011 21:26 GMT
#824
On October 17 2011 06:22 Yung wrote:
It's a dumb rule, it gives win that shouldnt have been won, but I do like it because of idra winning vs boxer, but i dont like it because he has to win 4 games vs mkp now


MC beat MKP. Idra is facing MC next.
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Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
October 16 2011 21:28 GMT
#825
On October 17 2011 06:22 Attilanator wrote:
As much as I like Idra, I think the extended series rule gave him an unfair advantage.

I mean, it seems illogical that he gets the benefits of winning two games TWICE. The two wins he got in pool play should have counted for there and only there, and in the championship bracket the players should be given a clean slate. Essentially, Idra was given 4 wins for two games, which makes no sense to me.

I also understand why extended series in the final is "fair", but it really kills the fun of the finals. I mean, what are the odds of the LB player winning? And has it ever happened? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it has. It just makes the finals very anticlimactic... at the very least, the UB player should start with only 1 win instead of two, or (Even better) make the series a straight up BO7 without any starting advantages.

In a normal double elim, the finals will be underwhelming anyways, because the player from the winner bracket has to lose two series to lose the finals. So in a finals is pretty much the only place extended series would work as close to how it would be normally.
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groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
October 16 2011 21:29 GMT
#826
I don't know why MLG is so stubborn on this point. Most pros and tournament admins agree extended series is ridiculous. I feel sorry for the players who end up suffering b/c of it.

As a fan it doesn't bother me that much except that it annoys the players. Hopefully in 2012 they take this rule away and then MLG can become the perfect tourney.
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
Alvar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden61 Posts
October 16 2011 21:31 GMT
#827
Haha, such a joke rule. You cant even take the tournament result serious. At least idra facing MKP after winning with the rule against boxer would have been some kind of justice, but I closed the stream now. (Not that MKP is any more worthy of winning with the rule)

Lag issues with the horrible stream could also have been an issue for me closing the stream :p

I hope when I later read the results that STC gets the code S slot, its the only thing that interests me with the tournament.
Yung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States727 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 21:38:37
October 16 2011 21:32 GMT
#828
On October 17 2011 06:26 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 06:22 Yung wrote:
It's a dumb rule, it gives win that shouldnt have been won, but I do like it because of idra winning vs boxer, but i dont like it because he has to win 4 games vs mkp now


MC beat MKP. Idra is facing MC next.

Yeah i realized that just now, thanks tho
Yung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States727 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 21:33:17
October 16 2011 21:32 GMT
#829
how did that happen?
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 21:35:20
October 16 2011 21:32 GMT
#830
Benefits of, and all opinions against it are debatable. Not really worth discussing, don't lose to a player if you really believe you shouldn't and it will not be a problem in the losers bracket if you meet again.

In most sc2 tournaments (really why is MLG the only double elimination tournament around) you only play against a player ONCE.

MLG is the only tournament that allows you to play against the same person twice because its one of the only tournaments that allows a losers bracket. The sc2 community has an extreme bias on this point because its always been single elimination brackets.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 16 2011 21:33 GMT
#831
Well, as much as I love Boxer, I think that it's a fair rule. If Boxer would have 2-0 Idra in the WB, would you have necro this thread ? Probably not.
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Alvar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden61 Posts
October 16 2011 21:34 GMT
#832
On October 17 2011 06:33 Erasme wrote:
Well, as much as I love Boxer, I think that it's a fair rule. If Boxer would have 2-0 Idra in the WB, would you have necro this thread ? Probably not.

Some people are more consistent in their hate towards the rule to not be swayed by who gets unfairly eliminated by it.
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
October 16 2011 21:35 GMT
#833
On October 17 2011 06:33 Erasme wrote:
Well, as much as I love Boxer, I think that it's a fair rule. If Boxer would have 2-0 Idra in the WB, would you have necro this thread ? Probably not.

Just because the rule doesn't influence any series in a particular tournament, it doesn't change the fact that the rule is dumb...there is no logical or rational reasoning for it that would make any sense
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
October 16 2011 21:35 GMT
#834
Extended series is pretty much the dumbest thing MLG can think of. Maybe sundance was drunk one night and said "what's the best way we can screw with bracket results but make it sound kind of legit"??
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
October 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#835
Benefits of, and all opinions against it are debatable. Not really worth discussing, don't lose to a player if you really believe you shouldn't and it will not be a problem in the losers bracket if you meet again.

Are you serious? Just because it's possible to always win, this shouldn't even be discussed. That's your argument.

I at least respect people who defend the rule for defending their opinion, but people who just try to sweep it under the rug for ridiculous reasoning disgust me. This has nothing to do with single/double elimination, extended series is not standard in double elim. It is absolutely a crucial issue and it makes a difference.
VTJRaen
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom238 Posts
October 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#836
I actually like it as a fan, it makes the pool play a lot more engaging, because losing 2-1 instead of 2-0 can mean so much in the long run.
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Alvar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden61 Posts
October 16 2011 21:43 GMT
#837
On October 17 2011 06:38 VTJRaen wrote:
I actually like it as a fan, it makes the pool play a lot more engaging, because losing 2-1 instead of 2-0 can mean so much in the long run.

This already means something without this rule. Sase actualy got third in his group because of maps with a 4-1 score. He could have got first if we 2-0ed bomber instead of going 2-1.

There is absolutely no need to double-punish someone for loosing a game in pool-play with the extended series rule. They already get the normal punishment.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 16 2011 21:52 GMT
#838
I think it's terrible and takes a lot of excitement away from it. Really wish they would change the rule.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 21:53:15
October 16 2011 21:52 GMT
#839
I think it is fine. In any other Bracket structure the loser would just be Out. Single elimination is too unforgiving... doesn't produce the most dependable results. But, having the series "reset" essentially isn't fair to the player who has already defeated someone.
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Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
October 16 2011 21:54 GMT
#840
it turns into a bo7

its perfectly fine
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