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@sylverfyre, note that they weren't actually controling the cast, they were watching the korean commenators control the camera and commentating based on what they were shown.
I think the biggest thing they need to improve is the use of the production tab. so many times they were like 'I wonder what they're going for now, I mean they have a starport, but it could mean anything what do you think greg?' AND THERE'S A FUCKING BANSHEE ALMOST MADE IN THE PRODUCTION TAB AND THE LAIR IS ONLY HALF DONE OH GOD
They missed so many opportunities to build tension and make the cast more exciting for the viewer. Also idra, while concise, was kind of lost if a zerg wasn't in the match, and if they were he kind of commentated everything from the zerg's point of view. Constantly praising good play by the zerg and when the terran did something pretty classy just making an odd exhalation, wimper or '... oh!' sort of noise.
I really don't think it was as great as a lot of people are making it out to be, but I have to give them credit for a) being sick ass for a first time and b) having one of the coolest caster dynamics I've seen- the vociferous enthusiastic guy who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and the reserved, technical powerhouse who can answer pretty much every question in like three words or less and have it make sense. They'd make a great pair for casting to a new audience with a bit of practice I think, but for the veteran they leave something to be desired.
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if he gets into starcraft2 a bit more and has somebody with a great understanding of the game next to him (like IdrA) he'll be one bad ass sc2 commentator.
apart from the missing insight of the game you can really tell he's a professional caster imho
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On October 21 2010 08:40 setzer wrote:
Jason Lee is an incredible play-by-play co-caster, but I felt he got really loud when some tense moments came out, which sort of made the cast feel uncomfortable next to Idra's more calm manner.
He got REALLY loud and screamed in a match, what happened? A probe harass!
Another funny moment was the whole thing about the "destroyed bunker", that really was salvaged. He started asking questions about why the player would destroy his bunker. JJ asked if he really did that and not just salvaged it, sounding very unsure about the whole thing.
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He was very professional sounding. Great job!
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would love to see more idra commentating. would have a nerdgasm if you combined tastosis with idra.
jason lee did very well too. however, the commentator after idra was sub par.
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What game did he commentate before SC2? I thought he was pretty good overall and I did enjoy him w/ idrA.
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Ok for everyone here that is complaining about Lee's lack of SC2 knowledge. Let me explain to all of you how professional casting works. Their is the play by play commentator, and the color commentator. The play by play commentator hits you with what is happening, he doesn't necessarily need to be all that knowledgeable.Know the basics, and explain what is happening with hype. Now the color commentator is the one who goes into great detail about the "small things" I guess you could say. Here are some examples
UFC-Michael Goldberg (play by play) Joe Rogan (color)
NHL- (hockey night in canada at least) Jim Hughson (play by play) Ron MacLean (color)
NFL- Play-by-play announcers
* Keith Jackson (1970)
* Frank Gifford (1971–1985)
* Al Michaels (1986–2005)
* Gary Bender (#2, 1987)
* Mike Patrick (#2, 1997 and 2005)
* Alvaro Martin (Spanish-language on SAP, 1998–2003)
Color commentators
* Howard Cosell (1970–1983)
* Don Meredith (1970–1973, 1977–1984)
* Fred Williamson (1974 preseason only)
* Alex Karras (1974–1976)
* Fran Tarkenton (1979–1982; Tarkenton usually replaced Cosell on Thursday night games)
* O. J. Simpson (1983–1985; Simpson would replace Cosell on Thursday night games during 1983)
* Joe Namath (1985)
* Frank Gifford (1986–1997)
* Dan Dierdorf (1987–1998)
* Lynn Swann (#2, 1987)
* Joe Theismann (#2, 1997 and 2005)
* Boomer Esiason (1998–1999)
* Dan Fouts (2000–2001)
* Dennis Miller (2000–2001)
* John Madden (2002–2005)
* Paul Maguire (#2, 2005)
* Robert Abramowitz (Spanish-language on SAP, 1998–2003)
ETC. The list goes on, and I think in every situation listed above, you can agree. The Play by play announcers for the most part have a tenious grasp at best on the game they are casting. The color commentators job is to bring the knowledge.
With that said, I believe Jason Lee did an amazing job all around.
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I can't believe people are saying he sounded professional. No professional I know of says "uhh" every third word. Just because his voice was good doesn't mean he was. He had zero game knowledge, transitioned between things poorly and the 'personality' he tried to add felt fake and forced.
But the "uhh" thing was the worst. Nobody doing casting should be doing things like that.
Edit: That said, IdrA was surprisingly good, but I wish he had put a bit more effort into 'commentating' rather than just talking like he normally would. Not to the point of sounding fake, but surely he could have mustered a little enthusiasm for the game his life revolves around. His predictions/criticisms etc added a heap though.
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Tastosis' style seems to me that they feed mostly off of their pooled knowledge and experience casting together so as a duo they are better than the sum of their parts.
Jason's strength seems to be the ability to carry a cast on his own and keep the attention of the viewer which was very valuable when paired with less experienced casters, imo the Jason/Greg combo was excellent with the addition of IdrA's uncanny ability to predict how the game will look one minute in.
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Hope to hear more from Jason Lee!
The main problem with Tastosis in comparison is that Artosis is filling both the roles of the knowledgeable but calm nerd and the excited shoutcaster, while Tasteless is just really trying to control the camera as best as he can, though he has been doing a great job at it lately. Ideally, they should just follow the view of the pro korean cameraman, which the korean caster team uses as well.
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I'm not sure he has played sc2 b4 this. You could tell he did not watch gsl1. His Controlling of the "what was going on at that time" was pretty bad imo. Seemed like he missed a lot of stuff, and was kinda focused on whatever was moving around right at that moment. Although I would say he has natural ability and with a lil practice he could be great.
He did however save the show from IdrA's and Jorgen's very slow very nervous quiet voice talking. Jason atleast sounded like a real caster, the other guys were obviously just nerds who knew english.
IdrA fighting!!!
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I'm actually pretty blown away. I've never heard of Jason Lee before so I didn't have any expectations.
He seemed extremely professional and did a great job bringing in Idra with analysis questions. I'm also pretty surprised out of the two sets I've watched so far I haven't really heard him say anything stupid, which is more than I can say for Tasteless lol. TBH I wouldn't be opposed to him replacing tastless, I think he'd work great with Artosis.
The only real criticism I have is he did say "uhh" a bit much, however it didn't really bother me that much for some reason.
I'm actually kind of a Jason Lee fan now, I really hope GSL continues to bring him in to cast.
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i have been entertained well for the phases he was casting with idra. but with that other asian guy i closed the stream after like 5 minutes as the entertainment value kinda dropped by a lot 
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He has an amazing voice for casting but hes really gotta let the other players speak, there are 30 second moments where greg or the other guy really cant budge in.
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On October 21 2010 09:09 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 08:37 Raislin wrote:
I got used to it and it wasn't so bad that the commentaries ruined anything, but I definitely did not like him at all. The fact that IdrA was there to provide the knowledge was helpful, but IdrA, surprisingly enough, seems to really lack some knowledge of the non-Zerg races. I almost face palmed when he said "Wow, that's a really fast second gas" during the very typical gate-gas-core-gas build. Fortunately, there were a ton of Zerg matches.
Typical in early beta and release, but honestly, a lot of newer builds are getting second gas later because there's really no reed for the amount you get if you throw assimilator down right after core. Greg was right in pointing this out, because it's usually indicative of heavy gas tech plays, like dt's or double phoenix. Otherwise it's not really needed. Gas after core was standard for a while, and still might be in lower levels of play, but it isn't among pros, from what I've seen.
It's still standard 3gateRobo play or tech of any kind, not just DTs or double Stargate or anything like that. Delayed gas is more for 3gate or 4gate styles, usually with a lot of Stalkers. Gas after core is by no means dead or non-standard. Perhaps the map choice is the cause for his reaction, but his surprise still seemed quite unwarranted. It wasn't the only time he misunderstood a build, but it was the one that stuck out to me the most.
IdrA was what made able to watch it without any real problems, though. I was quite impressed with him, in general. I just found it surprising that he isn't completely familiar with races he doesn't play. I know it's typical for normal players, but it caught me a bit off guard. I wouldn't be upset to see him co-casting again.
Edit: Again, though, we were fortunate to have so many Zerg for him to comment on because even if he isn't 100% familiar with the ins and outs of the other races, he sure as hell knows where Zerg stands at any given point and certainly understands enemy compositions. The fact that he was able to completely predict everything and give the "ifs" of the clutch moments so naturally is what made his commentating as enjoyable as it was.
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who is jason lee?
and what was he commentating ? the OP gave very little information.
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Tonight for the afternoon matches we'll have Idra and Jorgen casting the first game, then Jorgen soloing the next two, then back to Idra and Jorgen for the last one. This should make people appreciate the casting dynamic that Jason has as the exciting play-by-play caster!
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i loved Jason Lee's casting and should be added to the casting with tastosis
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On October 21 2010 09:38 PhiliBiRD wrote:
who is jason lee?
and what was he commentating ? the OP gave very little information.
he's one of the standin commentators replacing artosis and tasteless at the GSL
On October 21 2010 09:39 seiferoth10 wrote:
Tonight for the afternoon matches we'll have Idra and Jorgen casting the first game, then Jorgen soloing the next two, then back to Idra and Jorgen for the last one. This should make people appreciate the casting dynamic that Jason has as the exciting play-by-play caster!
wow, really?
that's not going to be cool i think.... jorgen got better in the end but i can't see him going anywhere alone... :/
and when is that "assem" guy going to cast?
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On October 21 2010 09:33 TheGiftedApe wrote:
I'm not sure he has played sc2 b4 this. You could tell he did not watch gsl1. His Controlling of the "what was going on at that time" was pretty bad imo. Seemed like he missed a lot of stuff, and was kinda focused on whatever was moving around right at that moment. Although I would say he has natural ability and with a lil practice he could be great.
He did however save the show from IdrA's and Jorgen's very slow very nervous quiet voice talking. Jason atleast sounded like a real caster, the other guys were obviously just nerds who knew english.
IdrA fighting!!!
the controlling was the Korean observer. you might know him as the guy that tasteless and artosis had to take lessons from because of their GSL 1 obs'ing performance.
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