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Legofchair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States6 Posts
October 14 2010 17:22 GMT
#21
I'm not huge on watching Terran's, but I have to give mad respect to Fenix. He's just downright scary to watch at times versus some players, good players. I think he has a bright future ahead of him if he sticks with it.
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
October 14 2010 17:28 GMT
#22
On October 15 2010 02:05 Sfydjklm wrote:
Moonglade won the 5k australian tournament against Oxygen.


Wasn't sure whether to include that but seeing as though it was open to the whole of SEA and had a large prize pool I've added it.
Phrencys
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 17:33:43
October 14 2010 17:31 GMT
#23
Still no IdrA to be seen, yet Dimaga, Cool, and a bunch of new faces manage to get away with some wins for The Swarm.

Also, is MorroW still switching to Zerg?

It would be so entertaining to see MorroW win a tournament as Zerg; and funny to see IdrA eat his words.
Dragonsven
Profile Joined April 2010
United States145 Posts
October 14 2010 17:34 GMT
#24
On October 15 2010 02:31 Phrencys wrote:
Still no IdrA to be seen, yet Dimaga and Cool manage to get away with some wins.

Also, is MorroW still switching to Zerg?

It would be so entertaining to see MorroW win a tournament as Zerg; and funny to see IdrA eat his words.


My prediction is Idra will never win a major tournament. His play is one dimensional, he's easily exploited. Especially considering people he's facing have equal or better mechanics than him now.
Fair and balanced.
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
October 14 2010 17:40 GMT
#25
In a year or two max this will all be irrelevant- all the golds and silvers will belong to Flash and Jaedong anyways
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
October 14 2010 17:43 GMT
#26
1.1 helped somewhat, 1.2 is going to be a different ball park alltogether.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
October 14 2010 17:48 GMT
#27
Why do protoss player perform so terribly? TvP Is probably the most balanced matchup in the game and ZvP is P favored :/

Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 18:00:40
October 14 2010 17:55 GMT
#28
On October 15 2010 02:14 Senx wrote:
Sooooo many terrans, if there was actually more top players who chose to play zerg i'm confident that it'd be more balanced. Its just that terran is so damn attractive and fun to play. They are obviously strong still, but Zerg just lacks that fun and gimmicks factor that P and T has.

Because pro's choose race based on how fun it is to play -.-. You'd have to be blind not to see how T favoured the scene is atm.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
October 14 2010 17:55 GMT
#29
On October 15 2010 02:28 cuppatea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 02:05 Sfydjklm wrote:
Moonglade won the 5k australian tournament against Oxygen.


Wasn't sure whether to include that but seeing as though it was open to the whole of SEA and had a large prize pool I've added it.

well even if it is less skilled, its still even amongst itself, its not like Morrow coming over and raping everyone.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 17:58:46
October 14 2010 17:58 GMT
#30
On October 15 2010 02:55 Scarecrow wrote:
Because pro's choose race based on how fun it is to play -.-. You'd have to be blind not to see how T favoured the scene is atm.



In many interviews they attribute their race selection to how much fun they have while playing it. If you hate the race you're not going to grind away for 10 hours a day doing a chore-like work. Most people who are pro SC2 gamers (and undoubtedly 80-90% of this list) still view the game more as a hobby than career.
Wat
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
October 14 2010 18:01 GMT
#31
On October 15 2010 02:55 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 02:14 Senx wrote:
Sooooo many terrans, if there was actually more top players who chose to play zerg i'm confident that it'd be more balanced. Its just that terran is so damn attractive and fun to play. They are obviously strong still, but Zerg just lacks that fun and gimmicks factor that P and T has.

Because pro's choose race based on how fun it is to play -.-. You'd have to be blind not to see how T favoured the scene is atm.


If they don't enjoy what they're doing they're gonna get burnt out. Are you too blind to realize this?
It just so happens to be that Terran is more enjoyable to play for alot of people compared to Z.
Alot of people made their choice in beta when Zerg were strong, so its more about the terran style and flavor that appeals more.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
October 14 2010 18:07 GMT
#32
On October 15 2010 01:44 AyJay wrote:
God I hate these threads... Turns into flamewars and balance discussions.


It should turn into a balance discussion because it needs to be discussed. The problem is people don't know HOW to discuss something like civil human beings. However the original poster never said anything about balance he simply posted FACTS about recent tournament results. If facts are the fuel to the fire of a balance discussion then I don't think there is any problem with that as long as it is done in a civil manner.
Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 18:17:40
October 14 2010 18:17 GMT
#33
Terran is attractive because it's the strongest race. It's not the other way around. Toss has often been the most played race so your point has no grounds.
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 14 2010 18:27 GMT
#34
I don't think it 100% means anything this early into the game but I <3 zerg and t is bs iyam. That being said blizzard looks like they're going down that path with the last patch. Thanks op for putting this together I was curious how everything looked since 1.1.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
October 14 2010 18:30 GMT
#35
So glad to see Socke as #2, guy is and amazing Protoss
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
October 14 2010 18:31 GMT
#36
On October 15 2010 03:01 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 02:55 Scarecrow wrote:
On October 15 2010 02:14 Senx wrote:
Sooooo many terrans, if there was actually more top players who chose to play zerg i'm confident that it'd be more balanced. Its just that terran is so damn attractive and fun to play. They are obviously strong still, but Zerg just lacks that fun and gimmicks factor that P and T has.

Because pro's choose race based on how fun it is to play -.-. You'd have to be blind not to see how T favoured the scene is atm.


If they don't enjoy what they're doing they're gonna get burnt out. Are you too blind to realize this?
It just so happens to be that Terran is more enjoyable to play for alot of people compared to Z.
Alot of people made their choice in beta when Zerg were strong, so its more about the terran style and flavor that appeals more.

I disagree. Winning appeals more. Zerg can be fun, except for getting your face smashed in regularly by any number of 1 base terran all-ins or sheer map imbalance (needs to be fixed, the new jungle map is a joke). Terran is popular because you can beat people of equal skill more often than not, hence it is both enjoyable and rewarding. My mind is blown that you think these results are down to terran's appealing style and flavor... The terrans I face in high diamond are consistently worse at macro and general gameplay than their zerg or toss counterparts and yet achieve similar results.

Since the game was released it's 74 wins to T, 30 to P and 9 to Z.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 18:40:57
October 14 2010 18:39 GMT
#37
On October 15 2010 01:55 ToxNub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 01:50 KingAce wrote:
On October 15 2010 01:44 AyJay wrote:
God I hate these threads... Turns into flamewars and balance discussions.

What exactly is wrong with balance discussions?


Have you READ tl lately?

Honestly it's just a big ridiculous ad hominem war with zero evidence and 99% bullshit.


Why would you attack a post about statistics by calling bullshit?

Things are definitely moving in the right direction though. Perfect balance will never be achieved as there are a lot of uncertain factors (like what race has the most good players?) but earlier statistics (and these as well) have definitely hinted towards some pretty serious imbalances.
I
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 18:42:35
October 14 2010 18:41 GMT
#38
Getting closer, so I'm not as annoyed.

Atleast we have more than 1-2 Zerg winners
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
Renaissance
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada273 Posts
October 14 2010 18:43 GMT
#39
On October 15 2010 02:48 Endorsed wrote:
Why do protoss player perform so terribly? TvP Is probably the most balanced matchup in the game and ZvP is P favored :/


Have you considered that TvP may be imbalanced? People blame Protoss for playing horribly and not thinking outside the box.
Live forever or die trying.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 18:54:46
October 14 2010 18:51 GMT
#40
On October 15 2010 03:31 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 03:01 Senx wrote:
On October 15 2010 02:55 Scarecrow wrote:
On October 15 2010 02:14 Senx wrote:
Sooooo many terrans, if there was actually more top players who chose to play zerg i'm confident that it'd be more balanced. Its just that terran is so damn attractive and fun to play. They are obviously strong still, but Zerg just lacks that fun and gimmicks factor that P and T has.

Because pro's choose race based on how fun it is to play -.-. You'd have to be blind not to see how T favoured the scene is atm.


If they don't enjoy what they're doing they're gonna get burnt out. Are you too blind to realize this?
It just so happens to be that Terran is more enjoyable to play for alot of people compared to Z.
Alot of people made their choice in beta when Zerg were strong, so its more about the terran style and flavor that appeals more.

I disagree. Winning appeals more. Zerg can be fun, except for getting your face smashed in regularly by any number of 1 base terran all-ins or sheer map imbalance (needs to be fixed, the new jungle map is a joke). Terran is popular because you can beat people of equal skill more often than not, hence it is both enjoyable and rewarding. My mind is blown that you think these results are down to terran's appealing style and flavor... The terrans I face in high diamond are consistently worse at macro and general gameplay than their zerg or toss counterparts and yet achieve similar results.

Since the game was released it's 74 wins to T, 30 to P and 9 to Z.


My mind is blown that you still misunderstand what I'm saying. I never said these results happen directly beacuse terran is more fun. Its already established that terran is STRONG.
What I'm saying is that alot of top players chose terran beacuse of the way the race plays out - its enjoyable -- and beacuse of that Terran is represented very heavily among the top players. Had zerg been more attractive and fun to play during beta, more players would have chosen it and we probably would have had a different result here. The results are indirectly affected by the fact that Zerg is boring and lackluster to play. This has been talked and complained about all through to beta to release. They are also harder to play well which requires a top player.

And your experience in "high diamond" actually doesn't mean anything in this discussion since a majority of the diamond players are actually not comparable to the ones that attend these tournaments.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
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