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So, new game came. New faces, rather new community. Old maphackers... I won't talk about people like Trek which hacked once, got caught and then started playing normally. I talk about the people who hacked during all the SCI career, like Hungtran, Selector, Executor, which get caught several times and still continued doing that, ruining a lot of tournaments and single games. People which never excused for doing that. Should our community give them a warm welcome for SCII? Can those guys be trusted? Because you know - Blizzard never cared about maphacks. It was during SCI all the time. I'm sure it will be during SCII. I am really interested in your opinion and ready for discussion.
Poll: Should we trust maphackers which were caught SEVERAL times during SC1?No, we shouldn't. They got another chance already and still did same (552) 86% Yes, we should. Everyone deserves another chance (88) 14% 640 total votes Your vote: Should we trust maphackers which were caught SEVERAL times during SC1? (Vote): Yes, we should. Everyone deserves another chance
(Vote): No, we shouldn't. They got another chance already and still did same
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Everyone deserves a second chance.
Not sure if the people you're talking about have been caught numerous times, but with a new game comes new trust, or so I would think.
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On October 06 2010 03:16 Strelok wrote:
So, new game came. New faces, rather new community. Old maphackers... I won't talk about people like Trek which hacked once, got caught and then started playing normally. I talk about the people who hacked during all the SCI career, like Hungtran or Executor, which get caught several times and still continued doing that, ruining a lot of tournaments and single games. People which never excused for doing that. Should our community give them a warm welcome for SCII? Can those guys be trusted? Because you know - Blizzard never cared about maphacks. It was during SCI all the time. I'm sure it will be during SCII. I am really interested in your opinion and ready for discussion.
There are a ton of known hackers/abusers playing right now, lastshadow comes to mind. Everyone gets a second chance, that's life. Thread will probably be closed.. soon.
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You'd think that serial maphackers lost their credibility because of their untrustworthiness. They've been given second chances, and wasted them in favor of more hacks. Do those sorts of people deserve a clean slate for a game with the same potential for abuse as its predecessor? I would think not.
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(Vote): Yes, we should. Everyone deserves infinite chances.
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On October 06 2010 03:18 TadH wrote:
but with a new game comes new trust, or so I would think.
explain this please. If a hacker constantly cheats, he's not going to suddenly stop cheating when a new game comes out -_-
When trust is destroyed, it takes a long time to get it back. Hackers should never be given a warm welcome, period. IMO I'll never 100% trust a proven hacker, but if they can go 1-2 years without hacking, then at that point maybe the trust-building can begin again.
On October 06 2010 03:20 superbabosheki wrote:
There are a ton of known hackers/abusers playing right now, lastshadow comes to mind. Everyone gets a second chance, that's life. Thread will probably be closed.. soon.
nobody likes him. But a counter-example is DIMAGA, who is a proven abuser, yet everyone pretty much adores him.
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Everyone voting yes is a fucking retard. You ruin the game along with them. I don't care about being banned for this post, this is my real opinion about this matter and it won't change.
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On October 06 2010 03:25 iG.ClouD wrote:
Everyone voting yes is a fucking retard. You ruin the game along with them. I don't care about being banned for this post, this is my real opinion about this matter and it won't change.
You don't need to martyr yourself to prove your point, you know.
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On October 06 2010 03:25 iG.ClouD wrote:
Everyone voting yes is a fucking retard. You ruin the game along with them. I don't care about being banned for this post, this is my real opinion about this matter and it won't change.
I completely agree 100%. Those bastards should be banned for life. The detriment they cause this scene is insurmountable. We'd be better off if they had never existed in the first place.
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Osaka27178 Posts
Reopened. Make sure to read the thread and keep it civil please people.
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Hacking seems to be a constant in multiplayer games. I think everyone will agree that hacks are detrimental to the overall gaming community as it:
1) Makes the game less fun
2) Makes the game less viable as a competitive sport
Why would you deserve a second chance if you at some point decided to hack?
I'm struggling to come up with a good answer to that question, but really, I can't find one. In the end I just can't trust someone who has hacked.
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Problem is they aren't going to be using the same names.
Afaik Hungtran used many aliases in Brood War. Many hackers did.
Selector and Executor were the Los Reyes Del Mambo 2v2 wonder stars, right?
Anyways... I think the people willing to use old aliases don't plan to hack. They have nothing to hide.
TT1 is a perfect example of this. We know who he is, we know what he did. He apologized, and didn't try to save face by creating a new alias. He stood there and took it like a horny cum-guzzling bitch and now that he survived the Teamliquid bukakke festival, everything is just in the world. But people who go the extra measure to purposefully use a different alias until they are signed onto a team and need to reveal their name, then hell can break loose.
This is situational though cause Spades didn't change his name (I believe it is the same guy) and I've always believed him to be shady as fuck. He did stop hacking in Brood War after being caught for a long period as I played a bunch of games with him, but personally until he posts more suave pictures I can't trust him.
(This is the part where someone posts that hilarious Spades picture from his sMi. days he used for various websites that gained amazing notoriety for him trying to be a mcballa holla son cause I can't find it).
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selector was a friend of mine but he was caught hacking something stupid like 4 times.
hungtran laughed all the time during his hacking career and was a general dick about it
executor was remorseless and caught numerous times.
Trek, tt1, testie... these are all guys who rehabilitated and went on to do great things for the community. You cannot say the same for those guys.
obviously it starts somewhere but I'm not for "making it easy" when they have literally done nothing to earn our respect.
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On October 06 2010 16:37 SCC-Faust wrote:
Selector and Executor were the Los Reyes Del Mambo 2v2 wonder stars, right?
Selector isn't related to Executor, he was playing for ToT)
Executor's team mate was LRM)KiLLaH.
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If someone is referring to somebody who isn't a big name or a good player but has hacked their way into diamond or something, obviously they shouldnt be allowed, but if they've been clean for years and have proven themself at LAN's for several years to be clean, you'd think they should deserve a second chance.
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This thread just made me think of LastShadow, although he was more into the map part and not the hacking. My god everything that dude does just makes me chuckle inside to no end.
Has anyone with a 'name' been caught hacking in sc2 yet? I wonder who the first to walk down the path of demons will be....
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On October 06 2010 16:37 SCC-Faust wrote:
Anyways... I think the people willing to use old aliases don't plan to hack. They have nothing to hide.
TT1 is a perfect example of this. We know who he is, we know what he did. He apologized, and didn't try to save face by creating a new alias. He stood there and took it like a horny cum-guzzling bitch and now that he survived the Teamliquid bukakke festival, everything is just in the world. But people who go the extra measure to purposefully use a different alias until they are signed onto a team and need to reveal their name, then hell can break loose.
That's a really good point you brought up which I hadn't though of.
Your example of a player that has hacked, admitted it and then provably played legit I would be completely willing to accept.
It may require some time and careful scrutiny, but yes, in such a case I think a second chance is okay.
But this doesn't happen very often does it? As you said, people tend to just hide behind another ID or something.
Edit: Grammar fail
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Well Strelok, we know why you opened this thread. You were beated by one of those "sc/bw's hackers" you mention.
I can understand your rage but you have to know their past actions at another game doesnt imply they are still doing that at sc2. Some of us was a "retard" (hacking/bm/abuse/more things) at one time of our past gaming life and most of those are rehabilited.
I know that was pretty stupid by them at sc/bw but a new game means a new life until they are caught doing the same.
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They get a second chance but people are going to comb their reps to see if they're hacking and it'll be easy to figure out if they are.
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No.
And this might be a little hypocritical cuz I got banned for defending a friend caught hacking in a thread a few months ago lol. (well, banned for being a dick while doing so, same thing t-t)
But seriously, theirs a big difference between making homebrews and dicking around and cheating to get money and win tournaments.
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