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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
October 06 2010 15:26 GMT
#61
HayprO used Oblivion? Haha i didn't know that.

Anyway in SC2 it's going to be pretty hard to tell for certain considering a completely stealth maphack is possible. You'd just have to notice patterns of a player acting suspiciously (like instantly directly scouting a proxy location) which is hard to tell for certain. Rigged maps no longer a problem at least.
EriktheGuy
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada132 Posts
October 06 2010 15:54 GMT
#62
Hehe, this is turning into a gossip thread.
In mathematics you don't understand things, you just get used to them. -Neumann
LynxKerr
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
October 06 2010 17:13 GMT
#63
You guys are talking about this like people are rehabilitating from drug abuse or domestic abuse. Cheating in starcraft is not any worse than downloading a song from a torrent tracker illegally.

Cheating means you're taking risks.. just like taking steroids in sports. You take the risk for the reward, knowing you might get caught...

..except when you get caught cheating in Starcraft, you just make a new name and no one gives a fuck.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'
Zakka
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands762 Posts
October 06 2010 17:45 GMT
#64
I think hacking is way more serious then some people think. Especially in tourney's. IMO you shouldn't only get banned forever, but also get a huge fine or something.
Amsterdam
doktorFunken
Profile Joined September 2010
United States41 Posts
October 06 2010 17:59 GMT
#65
A huge fine isn't enforceable unless there's a law behind it.

While "past" actions don't necessarily predict the "future", I do think that current and recent actions are an indicator of future ones. If people re not and have not in the recent past played BW cleanly, they should not be allowed in SC2. If they have cleaned up their act in BW and can show as much, hey, cool, let them in.
All we need is a little Energon and a lot of luck.
Mutaahh
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands859 Posts
October 06 2010 18:02 GMT
#66
Every person needs to be treated different. So no point making a general viewpoint.
I want to fly
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
October 06 2010 18:10 GMT
#67
All you can ACTUALLY do is trust in the game's anticheat. This isn't BW which was for all intents and purposes abandoned after some years forcing 3rd party anticheats. This is a brand new game which has Blizzard's full attention. Hackers will be dealt with. If old hackers aren't cheating, good. If they are, I trust they'll be caught.

Ban them from outside tournaments and berrate them on forums.

Nothing else can be done. Just wait to see em do it on LAN.
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
s_86
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 03:33:58
October 06 2010 18:13 GMT
#68
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 06 2010 18:28 GMT
#69
I think a hard line is important, like Kespa with Savior. You can't compare BMs with the videogame equivalent of steroid abusers like that dude a few pages back.
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
October 06 2010 18:37 GMT
#70
zero tolerance !
"I like turtles"
HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 18:40:01
October 06 2010 18:39 GMT
#71
voted no even tho i consider myself friends with tt1 and dimaga among other cheaters/hackers


edit: worst part it its impossible to catch ne1 since most things are livestreamed and theres no way to detect cheating
ProgamerLive like a God or die like a Slave 11:11
TellMeWhy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States39 Posts
October 06 2010 18:40 GMT
#72
my philosophy has always been, once a hacker always a hacker.
Terrifyer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States338 Posts
October 06 2010 18:46 GMT
#73
It depends on the situation, and how the hacker handles it.

Not to be too off topic, but Testie are you playing sc2 at all!?!?
It's mog if you are wondering/remember ;P
eat shit and die
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
October 06 2010 18:48 GMT
#74
On October 06 2010 22:44 Subversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 03:25 BlasiuS wrote:
On October 06 2010 03:18 TadH wrote:
but with a new game comes new trust, or so I would think.


explain this please. If a hacker constantly cheats, he's not going to suddenly stop cheating when a new game comes out -_-

When trust is destroyed, it takes a long time to get it back. Hackers should never be given a warm welcome, period. IMO I'll never 100% trust a proven hacker, but if they can go 1-2 years without hacking, then at that point maybe the trust-building can begin again.

On October 06 2010 03:20 superbabosheki wrote:
There are a ton of known hackers/abusers playing right now, lastshadow comes to mind. Everyone gets a second chance, that's life. Thread will probably be closed.. soon.


nobody likes him. But a counter-example is DIMAGA, who is a proven abuser, yet everyone pretty much adores him.


What do you mean, an "abuser"? And when has he done this? I don't know anything about this (not saying its not true, just interested to know more)


DIMAGA abused to improve his ladder rating in the TSL2, and was subsequently disqualified from the TSL2, banned from TL events for 12 months, is banned from competing in the TSL3 in the future, and was banned from GG.net events & rankings for 6 months:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108352

Keep in mind he doesn't exactly fit the OP's description, because he's not a repeat offender, and he definitely tried to make up for it by apologizing afterwards.
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NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
October 06 2010 18:51 GMT
#75
On October 06 2010 03:18 TadH wrote:
Everyone deserves a second chance.

Not sure if the people you're talking about have been caught numerous times, but with a new game comes new trust, or so I would think.

User was temp banned for this post.

Lol this guy obviously doesn't know wut happened in be with kids like Dino who hacked every day for fun and admittd it. There is no way these guys shud be magically forgiven just because our game platform changed.
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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 06 2010 18:55 GMT
#76
To be quite honest I still find it hard to trust the TSL2 abusers like Dimaga. Although with regards to map hackers like Executor and that ilk I don't think we can ever trust them again. They were given enough chances with Brood War, there's no reason why they won't just maphack all over again.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
October 06 2010 19:44 GMT
#77
The cheating response should be just like the American response to sex offenders. You have to register as such and are constantly monitored for the rest of your days while everyone else knows just how despicable you really are/were.
Kaptein[konijn]
Profile Joined August 2005
Netherlands110 Posts
October 06 2010 19:59 GMT
#78
On October 06 2010 16:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Trek, tt1, testie... these are all guys who rehabilitated and went on to do great things for the community. You cannot say the same for those guys.


Testie shouldn't be listed among them. He hacked multiple times - at least twice that I can think off - said he'd never do it again, then blatantly ruined the game for others by doing it again. Though to be fair, not being caught for seven or so years after that makes up for it somewhat.

Still, I have not sympathy for hackers. Get caught, then fuck off. I won't lose any tears over someone ruining the game for others not being able to play because he got caught. No self-respecting individual would hack.

Probably with the above paragraph is that it's only true for people 18+.... before that, we all do stupid things - even though I still despise hackers even if they're minors !
Morphs
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands645 Posts
October 06 2010 20:04 GMT
#79
Many maphackers start out 'trying it out for fun'. But you see, it is actually a different mindset. Theirs is not to play the game in a fair way, but more to explore to what extent technical shortcomings can be used to gain (unfair) advantages. That is how they play THEIR game. Important difference. Personally I wouldn't be too happy to play against a maphacker, especially if it's a game where I'm sweating my ass off trying to get that win.

Unfortunately it cannot be prevented. As long as the server sends ALL unit data to all players (even those under the fog of war), that data can be used by maphackers. So I guess it's a matter of accepting that a small percentage of your games will be against a maphacker (would me extremely small actually)..
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
October 06 2010 20:23 GMT
#80
cheating is cheating. everyone deserves a second chance....but they have to earn it.
i like cheese
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