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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:16 Pulimuli wrote: They wont, the reason for that is because Zerg can produce an assload of units much faster than Terran can. I believe that was his point. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:16 hadoken5 wrote: The sad thing is that Blizzard said they aren't balancing the game around tournaments. Source? | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On September 24 2010 07:22 supersoft wrote: http://www.youtube.com/user/followvni#p/c/16C5EB4BFEF38B11/3/gMYM7aKRH5Q this game shows in my oppinon, that one big problem of zerg is the immobility of hydras... I play Terran and really, I think hydras are too slow... Its not even fun to play against a Zerg who does hydras, since they get raped by everything... Whenever zerg lose a game like this I like to ask myself "Would Lurkers have changed this game?" | ||
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lofi01
Australia52 Posts
On September 24 2010 02:11 Triscuit wrote: He better not. Cool is my hero.  . if he does i don't i'm gona QQ hard!! Hes the funnest zerg player out there!! and i think the best.... next to idra of course :D | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On September 24 2010 07:38 pookychoo wrote: - Zerg t3 takes too long to reach (From the instant you make your first Spawning Pool, it takes 410 seconds minimum before you can start making an Ultralisk, assuming you go Straight for it, or 480 for Broodlords. Compared to the 235 for a Battlecruiser, or 260 for Carriers/Mothership, that's obscene. source) This just blew my mind. It allways felt long, but for the love of pete, thats a really friggin long tech path. Not to mention you have to protect your 3 bases the entire time you are teching for it. Then after you can make ultra , you still gotta upgrade at ultralisk cavern. Today I tried getting ultralisk out pretty fast in a ZvP. I went roach hydra, then started teching, and i got out three ultralisk from 3 bases before he attacked me. They both died instantly to alot of charge lots+stalker with few collosus  I think they got off like 3 attacks on the zealots before they all where dead hahaI just thought for myself after that game, never will I bother making them again. You basicly need to be in huuuge lead to be able to tech up and get them without getting punished. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
Because the expansion is 18 months away and I don't want to put up with this for another 18 months? All the play issues aside, it'll be pitiful not to have Z in a tournament because no one wants to handicap themselves. My entire point is that I don't see any reason why a massive, expansion-level overhaul is necessary for Zerg to be balanced. Smaller changes will do just fine. | ||
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Motion
Germany183 Posts
You never will feel the imbalance until you play Diamond 1k+ | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On September 24 2010 02:11 Omigawa wrote: Except a lot of TvT from now on I guess Ugh theres already enough TvT as it is. | ||
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powar
Canada36 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:18 TT1 wrote: z is a sick race, its not that its a weak race its just that its been stereotyped as the weakest race so no one is willing to play it.. that being said(i know that this getting old) but T is seriously too strong, i can feel it while im playing imo these are the main changes that need to happen: 1) concusive shell need a cooldown(this is more TvP related) 2) mules need to have a shorter life spawn 3) banshee attack needs to be weakened 4) medivak drops need to be weakened(by either reducing the number of units that it can carry or by nerfing the marauder damage vs armored units/buildings) I agree with you when you say zerg is a sick race; I also agree with your main changes list... I love playing zerg, but I think that, with the original post plus Cool and Zenios words, it's more of the race being weak and so people aren't willing to play it. In the case of the the korean zergs, they are willing to play it, but since it's so weak right now, they have half a mind to leave for another race. Going back to Cool's and Zenio's thoughts, I think it's past the whole "players just don't give the race a chance". In fact, a lot of higher ranked zergs have played more matches! It really just boils to how patient people will be when Blizzard makes their changes. Otherwise, it'll be only protoss and terrans laddering seriously. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:18 TT1 wrote: z is a sick race, its not that its a weak race its just that its been stereotyped as the weakest race so no one is willing to play it.. that being said(i know that this getting old) but T is seriously too strong, i can feel it while im playing imo these are the main changes that need to happen: 1) concusive shell need a cooldown(this is more TvP related) 2) mules need to have a shorter life spawn 3) banshee attack needs to be weakened 4) medivak drops need to be weakened(by either reducing the number of units that it can carry or by nerfing the marauder damage vs armored units/buildings) u mean noone as in ex-progamers Wind, Cool, Zergbong, Junwi and Julyzerg? yea youre right. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:24 Captain Peabody wrote: My entire point is that I don't see any reason why a massive, expansion-level overhaul is necessary for Zerg to be balanced. Smaller changes will do just fine. That is as much an assumption as the people claiming that a massive overhaul is necessary, actually? How do you know that will be all that's needed? My point was more that Blizzard needs drastic action to restore the faith of its players and actually get people to play Z, should they care about the esports part of the picture. If focused solely on the balance of the game, it should release smaller and more calculated changes over a longer period of time. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:02 toadstool wrote: Zerg has less units- easier to mass their units. More units wouldn't necessarily be better.. Zerg has bad anti air- make more queens and mutas. Zerg has no cliff jumping units, deal damage from stealth- yeah, well that's zerg. a swarming army (which gets beaten by other races 200/200 armies). Besides, only lurker in BW was a 'stealth' attacking unit. And mutas are far better than cliff jumping. Other than that, your other points are spot on. I don't know how having less unit choices makes it easier to mass their units but either way that point is made irrelevant by how weak zerg's massable armies are compared to the compositions Protoss and Terran can come up with. Make more queens and mutas? You do realize you can't tech while making queens right, and that queens are horribly slow? I hope you also realize how gas expensive mutas are. 4 mutas are 400 gas, and that's on top of the already gas expensive lair and spire tech. In comparison vikings only cost 75 and will stomp mutas at equal supply counts due to their superior range of 9 vs muta's 3. Terran got banshees in SC2, which some people call the flying DT. Zerg lost their only stealth attacking unit. Sounds fair? As for it being okay that zerg is the only race that does not have cliff jumping units because zerg is a swarming race, that doesn't make any sense to me. Zerg is all about evolving so that they can overcome their enemies. Why haven't they evolved a cliff jumping species? Jumping walls was one of the major downfalls of castles, and that involved a sort of swarming technique in which you used a bunch of ladder and men to try to reach the inside of the castle. Seems to me a cliff jumping species would be beneficial and logical to the swarm race. | ||
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alkampfer
116 Posts
And terran are really OP User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Shaozor
United States10 Posts
There are actually quite a few zerg doing well. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:32 Shaozor wrote: There are actually quite a few zerg doing well. Who? | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:32 Shaozor wrote: Jesus, peoples egos are far too big. Its been a month or two since the game was released. There are actually quite a few zerg doing well. You realize these ARE those Zerg "doing well", right? | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:18 Half wrote: Lol. All differences lead to imbalance. Slow protoss t1 movement speed means speedlings are too powerful. See? You seem to want a homogenized game. Differences are by definition imbalance, whats crucial is that compounded, one race is not any more or less imbalanced then the other. On which data do you base this? Every data shows that this is probably false atm. So something needs to be changed and it shouln't matter if the races would be a bit less different in the end (they basically are very similiar anyway). | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Like Cool and Zenio and IdrA and Dimaga and.....oh god. | ||
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Shaozor
United States10 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:33 SovSov wrote: You realize these ARE those Zerg "doing well", right? Like I said their egos are far too big. It just reminds me of Idra's attitude. Lose and then QQ. Why didn't they come up with this rage before they lost in the GSL? If they won they wouldn't have said anything about it. | ||
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