I think this will make mechanic even more important. In the past you need a good game sense to know your timing and everything.
But with this feature, someone would just memorize all the time in their head. Like 6 mins attack , 4 mins defense etc...
Not the feature I hope for, but im fine with it

FortuneSyn

1826 Posts

September 21 2010 17:25 GMT

#22

I think it's great. Doesn't really matter at the high levels but it helps the new rookie players (the big bottom chunk of the SC pyramid) to sort of realize how important time is.

Cofo

United States1388 Posts

September 21 2010 17:25 GMT

#23

I don't like it.

Being able to know exact timings through practice and game-sense is something that's awesome to see in a pro-gamer. You don't need any game-sense to check a clock. I don't mind it for training purposes, and Blizzard will clearly allow it on ladder, but I really hope that major tournaments do not allow it.

jdobrev

Bulgaria162 Posts

September 21 2010 17:25 GMT

#24

and I was just about to put a manual clock next to my monitor.

great, I'm really looking forward to this, will help a ton.

MrBitter

United States2940 Posts

September 21 2010 17:25 GMT

#25

Until armies start clashing, its really no different than our supply box up in the top right...

I have mixed feelings about it. One one hand, it gives us one more tool to help deal with harassment, pushes, etc. On the other, it kinda takes away from that sense of "feel" that only comes with experience...

Archerofaiur

United States4101 Posts

September 21 2010 17:25 GMT

#26

Raise your hand if you do not own a device that tells time that you could look at while your playing SC2.

MonkeyKungFu

Norway154 Posts

September 21 2010 17:27 GMT

#27

This is good for all in strategies, and bad for the game.It would be cool if it was an option to turn it on in custom games for practice etc, but having a good game sense and timings in your head is less rewarding in the lower levels at least

Noxie

United States2227 Posts

September 21 2010 17:30 GMT

#28

I think it is a little to early to tell but in my opinion I would rather do without it. Adding stuff like this essentially waters down the game.

Z-R0E

United States147 Posts

September 21 2010 17:31 GMT

#29

On September 22 2010 02:22 Ketara wrote:
I think given that the server is just a couple hours from coming back up, we should wait and see the thing before having an in-depth discussion about it.

I'm not going to get into whether or not it's a good or bad thing (because honestly I don't care much), but what's there to wait and see about? It's a clock. It shows how long the game has been going on. I'm pretty sure we've all seen clocks before, and have a good grasp on how they work. I would argue most people on TL are informed enough about clocks to have a discussion on how one would (or wouldn't) effect the game.

fabiano

Brazil4644 Posts

September 21 2010 17:31 GMT

#30

heh?

Now I wonder if BOs will be listed as following:

0:00 probe
0:17 probe
0:34 probe
0:56 pylon
1:10 probe
1:27 probe & chrono boost nexus
1:44 probe
2:03 probe
2:20 gateway
etc...

instead of the good old

9/10 pylon
14/19 gateway

ps: timings were made up.

Hikko

United States1126 Posts

September 21 2010 17:31 GMT

#31

I think this is good for the game, as it gives some sense of when things happen for all players. In Warcraft 3, you effectively had an in-game clock with the day/night system, ie knowing how soon you could be hit by certain rushes. I think it serves more as a defender's advantage when they know what they're doing--something that is needed for the all-in style in many lower league matches. It especially helps a defensive Zerg player know their timings based on numbers rather than gut instinct, and thus how much they can drone up with their "safe" time.

Thoreezhea1

United States532 Posts

September 21 2010 17:31 GMT

#32

it will help in timing and larva spawn, you can see that 20 seconds has passed and spawn.
will use.

SpaceYeti

United States723 Posts

September 21 2010 17:37 GMT

#33

On September 22 2010 02:19 Tabbris wrote:
I hate this....It makes Top players training more insignificant

....

Personally, I think it's a good idea. It can be a valuable tool when practicing new build orders on the ladder.

Top players will still be the top players. An in-game clock doesn't change the need to scout, expand, micro, macro, and execute your strategy with precision. These are all things that come from practice. Adding a clock doesn't make you inherently better at those things, increase your APM, make you Korean, and change you name to Gosu.

TeMiL

Peru545 Posts

September 21 2010 17:39 GMT

#34

but the idea is not to play watching the clock, its just a reference, you dont need to lose the game sense. tis good to have game sense plus the time like (in minute 15 i need to have 2 expos or ill die, or something like in minute 16 my minerals will end in my main)

bonifaceviii

Canada2890 Posts

September 21 2010 17:42 GMT

#35

I may be a bronze player, but I'd like to ask a question.

Why is an in-game feature with the potential to allow players to better refine their timing a bad thing?

SpaceYeti

United States723 Posts

September 21 2010 17:42 GMT

#36

On September 22 2010 02:39 TeMiL wrote:
but the idea is not to play watching the clock, its just a reference, you dont need to lose the game sense. tis good to have game sense plus the time like (in minute 15 i need to have 2 expos or ill die, or something like in minute 16 my minerals will end in my main)

Exactly. What will likely happen is people will use the clock as a reference while they are learning, but as they become practiced they won't even attend to it because those timings are just a part of how they play. Once you're build/gameplay is smoothed out, you'll stop looking at the clock because it wont tell you anything new.

Kalingingsong

Canada633 Posts

September 21 2010 17:43 GMT

#37

On September 22 2010 02:42 bonifaceviii wrote:
I may be a bronze player, but I'd like to ask a question.

Why is an in-game feature with the potential to allow players to better refine their timing a bad thing?

are you sure it wouldn't just distract you from actual playing?

crimsonsentinel

United States179 Posts

September 21 2010 17:44 GMT

#38

Couldn't this clock be used by the top tier players to know their timings even more precisely? I mean sure you know that if you do this build, your opponent could have X at the time building Y finishes, but wouldn't it be better gameplay if you knew exactly at which second? It might promote super timing attacks where you can exploit literally seconds worth of weaknesses in your opponent.

G_Wen

Canada525 Posts

September 21 2010 17:44 GMT

#39

It's not a big deal. After the first engagement timings will be thrown off and the clock is no longer a reliable indicator of what to expect. It'll help in those "at 4:32 5 roaches will be at my main". But that's about it. What happens from then on out depends on how well you defend the attack and how your opponent responds.