EPTSC2 should be more competitive, not more noob-friendly !
New game clock feature - Page 17
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RedSword
Canada53 Posts
SC2 should be more competitive, not more noob-friendly ! | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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proctological
Canada2 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:25 FoxSpirit wrote: I'm really curious what Day[9] says about this, I'm certain his opinion will be held in high regard. He talked about it a little in last night's daily - He didn't spend much time analyzing it, but he didn't seem to think it was going to be a big problem. Show 184's up on blip.tv now, and the comments are in the last third of the show somewhere (wish I could be more specific for you than that, but I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the time!) edit: Wow, at 43ish minutes in he says "I'm very excited about that in-game clock that's in the bottom left corner. Very very very pumped about that". Still trying to find the rest | ||
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Gonzodamus
United States273 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:22 cENTRYZ wrote: I hope they will remove it ASAP, It makes it easier for the average people to catch up on higher level players without really doing anything special, just watching a clock. That's not good at all. Why do people think this is such a buff? If a bronze player can't execute a build order according to food counts, what makes you think they could do it according to a clock? Even if folks do use it, they'll just say "oh, he'll attack at 5 minutes" instead of "oh, he'll attack after I build my starport." I just don't get the difference. | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:25 FoxSpirit wrote: Day9 is not an elitist. I love that in his comments on the matter he did his 'cigar and martini' impersonation when mimiccing the views of the elitists on the subject.I'm really curious what Day[9] says about this, I'm certain his opinion will be held in high regard. | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
On September 23 2010 06:34 zomgzergrush wrote: I wanna see an in game clock. One that shows the actual time. I feel this is more useful... 1) read pachnotes 2) hover mouse over "Menu (F10)" button 3) ??? 4) Profit works the same way with wifi signal strength and laptop battery charge. | ||
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Suspense
United States500 Posts
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
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FreedonNadd
Austria573 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:22 cENTRYZ wrote: I hope they will remove it ASAP, It makes it easier for the average people to catch up on higher level players without really doing anything special, just watching a clock. That's not good at all. Are you afraid someone mighty beat you, because of a clock ? Would be ridiculous whining in the forum "Oh, I lost again to a guy with the ingame clock, damn it. The 'average' people know my reaper timings. Can we remove the clock ASAP, so I can win again ?" So the only situation I can imagine why people are afraid of a clock is if they make some kind of early aggression, and are afraid it might fail, because the average player, as you described, might be aware of the timings. After 20 minutes of gameplay, the only thing everyone will think of is: "Oh, I had 20 minutes of fun playing." In the lategame the clock will not be as useful as at the beginning. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On September 23 2010 16:04 MangoTango wrote: I turned it on for my usual nightly laddering, and didn't look at it once. Not useful. I glanced at the clock and it said 7-8 minutes. I knew that was the time that mutalisks would be possible so I got phoenixes (since it's DO and the zerg didn't FE). The people who will use the clock most are the hardcore IMO where it will help them pin point good timings etc. | ||
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FQ
United States18 Posts
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Suspense
United States500 Posts
On September 23 2010 16:26 FQ wrote: I don't think this will be as a big of a deal as people claim. i turn it on just in case but im just too busy doing other than to look down there. Also we're giving noobs too much credit, most of them don't know what "timing" is. What I find funny is this... People are complaining that noobs (or people with less skill) will use this clock to figure out timings and whatever. And they are posting things like this on many sites. The ironic thing is, that people that wouldn't have even thought about the clock might now actually use it just because people are complaining that its OP somehow... Kind of backfires QQing about this in the long run if you are really worried about people using this somehow as an advantage maybe you shouldn't be telling everyone how to use this feature effectively? | ||
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Ataraxia
United States73 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Scottymc
Australia134 Posts
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On September 23 2010 08:23 RedSword wrote: Allow it in custom... but in melee ?!?!? wtf !! Less gamesense requirement plz ! SC2 should be more competitive, not more noob-friendly ! yeah while we are add it, let's remove the supply-count so you have to count all your probes/units all the time and have to "guess" when you'll need additional pylons/etc.; also let's remove the building-time-line, so people will have to constantly check when their units will gonna pop out; also there shouldn't be really an indicator that shows how much minterals and gas you have, as a competitive player you should be able to constantly calculate and keep track of your income seriously; the same BS as it was with multiple building selections and worker auto-mine; things that make the development of strategies easier while reducing "mechanical" aspects that only come from mass-gaming is a good thing; if the gaming clock helps some noob come up with a super-awsome strat...why the hell not? | ||
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
But seriously, I can't see for the life of me how can a simple clock suddenly make bronze players able to beat diamonds. As Day9 pointed out, there have always been very precise ways to keep track of time in-game, and adding a normal clock at the bottom of your computer screen has always been possible. I have yet to see a diamond player get beaten by a bronze player by using a clock. A bronze player that knows that his build order derives into a timming attack at 6:15 will still get countered, out-played and/or out-microed by any semi-competent player, that might even not be using a clock himself. It would be more useful to me if the clock displayed actual seconds and not this faster starcraft2-seconds that make no sense in the real world, so I could know if I've been in the game for 20 or 30 minutes without having to actively think about it. | ||
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