EPT[News] Another new Korean proteam with old faces - Page 8
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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krynis
Canada43 Posts
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SevenAteNine
126 Posts
On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote: Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad/retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 . so what your syaing in SCBW will be composed of the top 5% of their players and everyone else goes to SC2? fun! On September 16 2010 11:06 Garaman wrote: rofl i remember watching some VOD where ppl were commenting about high APM in sc2. the players APM was around 150-160 for both of them. oh yeah, sc2 is much harder. the macro is harder the clicking 36 units is harder the smart casting is harder the automining is harder hmmmm yep i guess any of these sc2 pros can switch to BW and dominate flash right? no wonder washed up BW players are switching to SC2... for the challenge while Macro is technically easier to do it really just means there are more things you can do at once, it just changes where your attention is put. people need to get that | ||
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Thurokiir
United States779 Posts
On September 16 2010 11:06 Garaman wrote: rofl i remember watching some VOD where ppl were commenting about high APM in sc2. the players APM was around 150-160 for both of them. oh yeah, sc2 is much harder. the macro is harder the clicking 36 units is harder the smart casting is harder the automining is harder hmmmm yep i guess any of these sc2 pros can switch to BW and dominate flash right? no wonder washed up BW players are switching to SC2... for the challenge If you smart mine to get 7% more minerals it requires individual manipulation of scvs which is harder than the current mining requirements in BW so that is out of the question. Almost all units have an on use or special ability making incombat micro more difficult. The SC2 APM recorder puts out 40% less than BW. So when you see NoNy playing at 250 its really closer to 400. TLO against losira playing at 300 is really closer to 500. So the APM argument is out of the question. The constant chronoboost/larvae/3 options for command centres make a massive long term macro difference in the game and requires an immense depth of knowledge of the game to determine what is the correct choice for a player that needs every single last edge in a game. My friends that are BELOW the top 200 push around 200 apm for an entire game and they still regard themselves as slow being unable to perfectly bounce between their macro mechanics and perfect incombat skill-usage splitting their 4-5 different units and skill types in their fights for the best effect. Saying sc2 isn't comparable to the BW in terms of taxing its players simply isn't a fair or reasonable request. Saying one is harder than the other is also far from anyones judgement except for those that DO play on the absolute bleeding edge, if you're just a scrub that plays casually and cant break into the 1500 diamond levels or push into the a- range of iccup then honestly you have no right to say what is hard and easy. | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1377 Posts
i mean its the old pantech coach and SILENT_CONTROL | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2600 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On September 16 2010 14:09 SevenAteNine wrote: so what your syaing in SCBW will be composed of the top 5% of their players and everyone else goes to SC2? fun! The thing is, B-teamers still get some salaries, they may not be as much as top players get, but people still can live with them, which is something SC2 doesn't have, there are no sponsored teams, so you either win or starve, which doesn't attract many StarCraft players On September 16 2010 15:02 Thurokiir wrote: If you smart mine to get 7% more minerals it requires individual manipulation of scvs which is harder than the current mining requirements in BW so that is out of the question. Almost all units have an on use or special ability making incombat micro more difficult. The SC2 APM recorder puts out 40% less than BW. So when you see NoNy playing at 250 its really closer to 400. TLO against losira playing at 300 is really closer to 500. So the APM argument is out of the question. The constant chronoboost/larvae/3 options for command centres make a massive long term macro difference in the game and requires an immense depth of knowledge of the game to determine what is the correct choice for a player that needs every single last edge in a game. Actually, this thing about APM that Tasteless said is utter bullshit, there is no such thing, it is just that in BW AND SC2 clicks are not registered as actions. | ||
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DrakanSilva
Chile932 Posts
Funny quote... today i was playing with a brasilian player that ONCE, beated Silent_Control at the WCG in Broodwar... Reason, i don't know if you guys know him. Really sweet to see him play actually. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1377 Posts
On September 16 2010 17:39 Mortician wrote: The thing is, B-teamers still get some salaries, they may not be as much as top players get, but people still can live with them, which is something SC2 doesn't have, there are no sponsored teams, so you either win or starve, which doesn't attract many StarCraft players no, b-teamers just get to live for free | ||
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Arite
United States218 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On September 16 2010 21:34 imperator-xy wrote: no, b-teamers just get to live for free No, they don't. They may not get as much as A-teamers, but they still get some money, enough to make a living, its a job after all, you get paid | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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DkH.ZeRa
Germany39 Posts
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imperator-xy
Germany1377 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:54 Mortician wrote: No, they don't. They may not get as much as A-teamers, but they still get some money, enough to make a living, its a job after all, you get paid no, you have to be succesful to earn money. so you should at least be a part of the a-team. note that its korea and not the western world. being in the b-team is just to be able to practise all day and fully concentrate on becoming good enough to play in proleague. why should the teams pay them any money if it makes no sense for them? those kids are happy if they can stay in a team's house and play all day. even bad a-teamers barely earn any money, especially at teams like estro. wasnt there a big thread about progaming being like slavery with lots of inside looks? | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On September 17 2010 06:21 imperator-xy wrote: no, you have to be succesful to earn money. so you should at least be a part of the a-team. note that its korea and not the western world. being in the b-team is just to be able to practise all day and fully concentrate on becoming good enough to play in proleague. why should the teams pay them any money if it makes no sense for them? those kids are happy if they can stay in a team's house and play all day. even bad a-teamers barely earn any money, especially at teams like estro. wasnt there a big thread about progaming being like slavery with lots of inside looks? dont remember any such a thread. but i do remember some write down of the salaries of top 5 gamer per team, and i think the worst paid a teamer still got the equivalent of 1000 euro per month, which in fact is worse then a waiter in germany, but there is still much room down till the minimum wage of 450 euros (thats the salarie you get for doing nothing from the state), and in fact i think that it does go down that far in the b team houses... | ||
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
I am excited by this, but everytime I see JulyZerg I can only think of that panda costume now... | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
Btw : Intotherainbow =/= intotherain Even though they may have almost the same name and are the same race they're two different persons. | ||
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