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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
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MasterAsia
United States170 Posts
On September 14 2010 06:11 Floophead_III wrote: Well the reason T is overrepresented I feel is because people who play T get free wins vs Z. TvZ is such a joke right now that T is basically already winning 50% of their games by default (TvT being the mirror and TvZ being like 100% wins). Therefore if you won 50% of your TvPs you'd have 75% win ratio. Obviously you can see that's exaggerated but it's so much easier to win as T because you're already winning one MU by default. P on the other hand actually is pretty even to zerg, minus 2 gates and perhaps some map imbalance. A good P is going to do worse simply because they're dropping more games to zergs at even skill level. This is why P is underrepresented vs T. It has NOTHING to do with the state of TvP. Z on the other hand is losing basically every game to T so you'd have to win almost every game vs P and be amazing at your mirror to come out at like 60% wins needed to be up that high. That's why there's no zergs. To get to the same place in the same number of games as a terran a zerg has to be like 3x as good. This is not true. You ignore one fact that high-level zerg players almost only play zvt. I was in the top 20 for the past 2 weeks. Around top 20, there are almost no zerg and very few protoss players. I would say 75% of my games is ZvT. So if I wasnt winning in ZvT, I wont be ranking anywhere near top 20. My zvp and zvz are just very terrible but it doesn't matter much, since they are seldomly played. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:57 iEchoic wrote: What? You think that the least-played race should have over 1/3 of the representation? Okay. There should be 3-4 zerg players in the top 20 given the % of the population that plays zerg, not 7. Population size really doesn't mean much unless it's a drastic difference say like 50% to 10%. The average top level will be even regardless of population. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:57 iEchoic wrote: What? You think that the least-played race should have over 1/3 of the representation? Okay. Actually if it was balanced it doesn't really matter how popular the options are, at the top levels it will be quite equal anyways. The reason is that if there are really few zergs the terrans would have much less experience playing against top zergs than the zerg players have against top terrans giving top zergs a huge advantage in that matchup. As an example look at fencing, in top fencing left handed people are extremely overrepresented, it is not because it is an advantage but because they get more training against right handed people than right handed people got training against them, and it is of course totally balanced as well. And the disparage between how many are left and right handed is much greater than between terran/zerg. On September 14 2010 06:12 Carthage wrote: Now, can someone please explain to me why having a small number of zerg at the top represents imbalance? Seems like there would have to be NO zerg at the top to truly say that. Skill ceiling is still very far from being reached in any matchup. | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
On September 14 2010 06:16 gillon wrote: I heard ladder rankings are a 100% accurate depiction of racial balance. Oh wait. You're right, we should immediately throw this data out, it clearly cannot be used as an indication of anything. | ||
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jiabung
United States720 Posts
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
Edit: oh only 82%. But still crazy as a Zerg. | ||
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Zonel
United States100 Posts
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
Maybe that is the issue and not actual unit balance (not trolling just trying to think possitive). | ||
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slained
Canada966 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:56 infinity21 wrote: Can you show the top 70 list so I can feel good? make it 87 =P | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
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biskit
Australia355 Posts
I am eagerly waiting for Zergcraft time and Protosscraft. Make it happen Blizzard + Show Spoiler + it won't happen, who am I kidding lol. Terran is ruling SC2 as hard as it's ruling BW | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
and don't say 'it doesn't nerf Terran enough', there's something called caution and successful companies usually have it | ||
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Aborash
65 Posts
On September 14 2010 06:02 asianinvasian wrote: don't forget about the number of games played, the korean server has a noticable higher amount of games played by all the zerg(cept that tea guy) I think, like day9 has stated, that once more zerg players figure out timings of when to drone, when to attack, when to expand and other timings down, zerg will be on par if not stronger. this is however based on my opinion that zerg has the hardest learning curve Hydras > all gateway units, mutas/corruptors > colossus infesters/(hydra/roach/ling/bling) > Terran Bios mutas/ling > terran mech builds infesters alone witha few hydras can stomp on terran air. I dont get your whole post. Are you telling that pros, those who are on top 200, and play Tournaments, they cant win cause they didnt figure when to drone, atack, or expand yet? Is that a valid argument for you? Is zerg timing that hard, with only 9 atacking units (vs 11 and 12) to figure their timings? Didnt people claim on beta that Zerg was the easiest race due they are the race with less units? The second part is quite funny: Hydras (tier 2, 3 buildings) >>> all gateway units (tier 1, and 1,5, and not 1vs1) Mutas/corruptors>>>Colossus. (great, 2 air units vs a unit that cant atack air) Infestors(Tier 2, 3 buildings)+Hydras(again Tier2)+Roach Tier 1.5)+ Banelings (Tier 1.5) >>> Terran bios (Tier 1 and 1.5) mutas/ling> terran mech builds true except hellions/thors. infestors+hydras(AA unit) vs terran air. So its perfect balanced cause a tier 2 unit kill tier 1 and 1.5 unit., also 2 air units are able to kill a unit that cant atack air, a unit combination of tier2 and tier1.5 can defeat a unit combination of tier 1 and 1,5 and an AA unit can kill air units. Wou, you convince me. | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On September 14 2010 06:02 asianinvasian wrote: don't forget about the number of games played, the korean server has a noticable higher amount of games played by all the zerg(cept that tea guy) I think, like day9 has stated, that once more zerg players figure out timings of when to drone, when to attack, when to expand and other timings down, zerg will be on par if not stronger. this is however based on my opinion that zerg has the hardest learning curve Hydras > all gateway units, mutas/corruptors > colossus infesters/(hydra/roach/ling/bling) > Terran Bios mutas/ling > terran mech builds infesters alone witha few hydras can stomp on terran air. This is plain wrong. Have you seen any top games lately? I suggest you watch slush vs silver 40 min game on xel naga. The skill difference in their micro and macro is HUGE. Silver is losing dropships full with units all the time and does ALOT of misstakes, yet its impossible for slush to break him. Silver is 100 apm newb who knows how to abuse terran. Slush plays really well, has like 5 expos vs silvers 3, and still silver makes the game go on for 40 minutes and allmost wins cus slush just cant break silvers defence. | ||
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Raevin
246 Posts
once more zerg players figure out timings of when to drone, when to attack, when to expand and other timings down, zerg will be on par if not stronger. Deja vu, the exact same was said during beta, the same was said at release, "them zergs will figure it out and own us all!". In terms of rankings, tournament participation (GSL now has 2-3 Zergs left), MLG almost had no Zerg players, it didnt happen, and its gotten worse. The balance issues have gotten worse and worse because while the Zerg players are getting better, so are the Terran players. I am amazed at how you manage to shoot these rankings down AND manage to offend every Zerg player at the same time, even the ones as Dimaga, Idra and everyone else who has been working hard on developing Zerg play | ||
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Punkstar
Slovakia522 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:07 Kaymeerah wrote: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/641956#blog Meh, more Zergs on the top 20 here in EU. http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/320559 Even more Zergs.. Protoss is actually lacking there. I believe this both has to do with NA being sucky with Zerg and a little bit overtune for Terran. eh by more zergs on Eu ladder you mean 1 more? wow thats a relief :X | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
Not only that, but they are probably holding it back till the end of the GSL. | ||
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On September 14 2010 07:03 biskit wrote: This is Terrancraft. I am eagerly waiting for Zergcraft time and Protosscraft. Make it happen Blizzard + Show Spoiler + it won't happen, who am I kidding lol. Terran is ruling SC2 as hard as it's ruling BW ![[image loading]](http://starcraft.incgamers.com/w/images/2/24/Battlecruiser_Portrait_SC1.jpg) Make it happen. Anyway back on topic, that is incredibly ridiculous how many Terrans and how few Zergs there are, but I wouldn't say it's evidence that Terran is overpowered... I would say it's evidence that Terrans are currently more successful as a race in exploiting the others. This isn't necessarily anything to do with balance, but it could be. Could be as simple as the correct responses simply haven't been worked out yet. | ||
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Fluffy1
United States322 Posts
Anyway that is an absurdly high Terran to Zerg ratio :O | ||
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