Then you build a couple of banelings and give a whole new meaning to the world annihilation . You can't move your marines if you want to protect your tanks and if they move, you just throw like 6 banes at them and they all die. It doesn't seem very good or game changing to me. Actually I think it sucks.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

January 22 2012 13:49 GMT

#44

Yeah this is messed up. That type of a play doesn't seem that incredibly hard to pull off and it has obvious uses. What at a glance might be mistaken as one tank but could be a dozen should not be allowed in the game.

Even if you spread your units tanks have a function in their AI iirc that their auto-attack targets different targets I believe. Tanks will only expect the necessary amount of shots needed to kill one unit or a group of units. This means that spreading your spread is automatically negated by the AI. You can see this by the tanks swiveling not as one but separately during your last attack with lings. If someone can confirm this though I'm basing this off of something I remember reading so I am not 100% sure this is true the way I am presenting it.

Realistically a zerg would have banes so the terran could still lose the tanks if the zerg realized what was going on and acted against their usual instinct to target marines. As most zergs will have never encountered this they'd likely keep running the banes and lings towards the retreating marines and lose everything.

Seems like an exploit any way you cut it.

Poopfeast

160 Posts

January 22 2012 13:50 GMT

#45

On January 22 2012 22:48 SpiZe wrote:

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That's why you can focus fire your tanks. Remember that tanks will never overkill, so with these amounts of tanks it will be even easier and more effective to kill all the banelings.

Also, the 4 highground on Shakuras next to the watchtower

llKenZyll

United States853 Posts

January 22 2012 13:51 GMT

#46

On January 22 2012 22:48 SpiZe wrote:

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Target fire banes is a skill even gold players do.

ODKStevez

Ireland1225 Posts

January 22 2012 13:52 GMT

#47

I don't understand this, and you may want to re upload 2 of them pictures as they don't seem to work =[

NuKedUFirst

Canada3139 Posts

January 22 2012 13:53 GMT

#48

I feel the same way.. spend 5 minutes trying to do this and every zerg on ladder would have banelings, etc.. Oh and fungles would be pretty nice..

ODKStevez

Ireland1225 Posts

January 22 2012 13:53 GMT

#49

On January 22 2012 22:42 y0su wrote:

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I'd like to see that final battle again with a few banelings...

Thank you, this clears it up ^^

This will surely get fixed. It feels to much like an exploit in my opinion.

Poehalcho

149 Posts

January 22 2012 13:56 GMT

#50

I can actually see some efficiency for this vs Protoss. It would for instance be great for focus firing units like collosus, since all tanks will fire at it at approximately the same moment. Collosus walks in range, 1 shot BOOM, no more collosus. Hell maybe it could even help against immortals...

Teim

Australia373 Posts

January 22 2012 13:57 GMT

#51

Banelings, Mutas, Infestors, Brood Lords...

Also, remember he had 16 tanks for that video.

HwangjaeTerran

Finland5967 Posts

January 22 2012 13:59 GMT

#52

Hmm, Blizzard should fix this by leaving those tanks together and make it a new unit.
You could use it in TvP and stuff. Haven't come up with a name yet.

llKenZyll

United States853 Posts

January 22 2012 14:00 GMT

#53

This could also be abused against people who DONT go mutas
look at this picture:

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Oh yeah, to be even MORE ridiculous, theres a marauder blocking the way to the tanks.

vicml21

Canada165 Posts

January 22 2012 14:01 GMT

#54

I dont think this would be too much of an exploit that it should top blizzard's to do list. I'd wait and see if anyone uses it in game and how they do so before calling it imba. I imagine that muta stacking was figured out similarly for BW.

EDIT: Just saw the post above me. Now I'd REALLY like to see a replay lol, especially something higher level.

PatouPower

Canada1119 Posts

January 22 2012 14:01 GMT

#55

Maybe it's not "that" good in TvZ because of banelings (except maybe to counter infested terrans friendly fire bombs), but just imagine a healthy army composition (marauders with marines) with just enough tanks to 1-shot colossi in TvP. It would never be cost effective for the protoss player to break a contain or attack a terran player. The protoss player would lose almost 2 colossi without even having the time to react, immortals would get like 2-shotted, and HTs would just never get in range.

It's way too unforgiving to move on the map against such a composition, especially when you know siege tanks have more range than vision. Nowadays, you make 1 mistake by moving your army around and you get 2/3 tank shots. But with that stack, you make one mistake and you insta lose a clump of units or an expensive unit such as a colossus/immortal/hts. I'm not sure how effective it would be in TvZ, but I don't know if banelings are even that good against tanks all firing at the same time.

And anyways, even if it becomes kind of balanced, it's gonna be removed in the same fashion as the viking flower because units are not supposed to stack like that when you are not actively moving them around. I wouldn't mind if it required crazy micro like muta stacking, but just dropping 10 tanks in a tiny area around your third or fourth expansion and siegeing them up doesn't require that much APM...

NuKedUFirst

Canada3139 Posts

January 22 2012 14:05 GMT

#56

im going to try this on ladder shortly for a few games.. should be interesting for taking middle of maps, but early game I can't see this being all that great.. and in the video 16 tanks.. most I usually get is like 10 and thats late game vs a full army not 100 lings.

llKenZyll

United States853 Posts

January 22 2012 14:05 GMT

#57

On January 22 2012 23:05 NuKedUFirst wrote:
im going to try this on ladder shortly for a few games.. should be interesting for taking middle of maps, but early game I can't see this being all that great.. and in the video 16 tanks.. most I usually get is like 10 and thats late game vs a full army not 100 lings.

Post a replay

poorcloud

Singapore2748 Posts

January 22 2012 14:10 GMT

#58

Um, its not really useful, 10 blings can clear 16 tanks? Looks like it will help noobs who don't control their banelings and let them run their banes into tanks instead...

llKenZyll

United States853 Posts

January 22 2012 14:11 GMT

#59

On January 22 2012 23:10 poorcloud wrote:
Um, its not really useful, 10 blings can clear 16 tanks? Looks like it will help noobs who don't control their banelings and let them run their banes into tanks instead...

On January 22 2012 22:50 Unfeared wrote:

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Jamileon

United States63 Posts

January 22 2012 14:13 GMT

#60

I can not think of a single way this could benefit u. This honestly hurts u more then anything. any AoE unit kills all the tanks in 2-3 shots and a single ling can kill it all. If u do this in tvz then the zerg can just run his banelings over there and take out every single one of ur tanks with 6-10 banelings.