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On September 02 2010 04:13 andeh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:01 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 03:22 Hot_Bid wrote:On September 02 2010 01:41 Nilaus wrote:
Anyone else noticed the amount of threads being closed today dealing with restreaming of this event?
I don't like the way TL is moving, by being the lapdogs of greedy organisations such as GOMTV. It seems quite ambigous to provide VODs and restreams of BW, but stomp down on any mentioning of the same measure for SC2. We close restreams for every organization that requests it, provided they own the rights to their broadcasts. We did it for IEM, MLG, and we'll do it for GOM if they request it. We allow restreams of BW because we haven't been told by OGN or MBC to take them down. Additionally, the BW streams have a free stream, it's not paid premium.
So does that mean TL.NET will not allow any stream/vod of all the major sc2 events from now on?!?! Thing is though, one could still stream gsl on ustream/livestream but just cant link it on tl It's more of a pain for gom to go to livestream and ask for a stream to be taken down than coming on tl and doing the same thing
It's entirely possible for them to get streams shut down. Look at the Red Dead Redemption leak for example, plenty of streams and they all got banned pretty damn quickly. It's entirely up to GOM if they care enough/think it's worth the effort to shut streams down, it's definitely doable.
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ill watch a free stream or none at all
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I think my CSL team can get 6 people to pool in 5 bucks each to get an account for the VODs... but still, come on GOM.
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On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause.
All I can say is: 95% of us disagree.
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"VOD ticket allows you to watch full VOD during the season."
Does this mean that after the season is over we cannot go back and watch them again? They just disappear?
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On September 02 2010 04:15 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:13 andeh wrote:On September 02 2010 04:01 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 03:22 Hot_Bid wrote:On September 02 2010 01:41 Nilaus wrote:
Anyone else noticed the amount of threads being closed today dealing with restreaming of this event?
I don't like the way TL is moving, by being the lapdogs of greedy organisations such as GOMTV. It seems quite ambigous to provide VODs and restreams of BW, but stomp down on any mentioning of the same measure for SC2. We close restreams for every organization that requests it, provided they own the rights to their broadcasts. We did it for IEM, MLG, and we'll do it for GOM if they request it. We allow restreams of BW because we haven't been told by OGN or MBC to take them down. Additionally, the BW streams have a free stream, it's not paid premium.
So does that mean TL.NET will not allow any stream/vod of all the major sc2 events from now on?!?! Thing is though, one could still stream gsl on ustream/livestream but just cant link it on tl It's more of a pain for gom to go to livestream and ask for a stream to be taken down than coming on tl and doing the same thing It's entirely possible for them to get streams shut down. Look at the Red Dead Redemption leak for example, plenty of streams and they all got banned pretty damn quickly. It's entirely up to GOM if they care enough/think it's worth the effort to shut streams down, it's definitely doable.
But I don't think livestream will react that quickly with a request from gom(especially compared to tl). But in your example it seems like they did react quickly.
We can only wait and see i guess~~
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On September 02 2010 04:19 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. All I can say is: 95% of us disagree.
Then don't expect a Korean company to ever try and provide us with anything in the future. The price is too high for sure I am on board with that. But respect the fact that there's a company inside Korea that wishes to reach out to the foreign community and try to be civil about their mistakes. That's all I am saying.
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Poll needs better options than "Definitely not" and "yes". But I probably won't. I don't have the money for that right now.
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just think of it as paying $20 to see tastless commentate starcraft.
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On September 02 2010 04:19 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. All I can say is: 95% of us disagree.
Speak for yourself. Maybe you like stealing and complaining about anything that isn't free, but I can assure you that 95% of people are not like that. Lucid is speaking the truth.
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GomTV did this with their BW league, so let's not all blame Blizzard. Also LOL to the people saying Gom didn't do this before cause :/
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So is the stream free for Koreans though? I thought this was on TV as well?
I'm sure someone will stream the Korean version which we can all watch. Sorry Tasteless your voice isn't worth 20 bucks to me. :\
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Totally wouldn't mind if it was the pay for HD, but left regular free like the old GOMTV way. As it is, guess I won't be watching.
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On September 02 2010 04:21 LuciD` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:19 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. All I can say is: 95% of us disagree. Then don't expect for a foreign company to ever try and provide us with anything in the future.
What foreign company?!?!
You really buying this puppet front thing? It's Blizzard! Remember, NOTHING gets done in sc2 without the approval of Blizzard!
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On September 02 2010 04:19 rackdude wrote:
"VOD ticket allows you to watch full VOD during the season."
Does this mean that after the season is over we cannot go back and watch them again? They just disappear?
yup
On September 02 2010 04:23 Anomarad wrote:
So is the stream free for Koreans though? I thought this was on TV as well?
I'm sure someone will stream the Korean version which we can all watch. Sorry Tasteless your voice isn't worth 20 bucks to me. :\
I think it will be free and here is a thread that shows how to register and all to see the stream.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100219
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On September 02 2010 04:24 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:21 LuciD` wrote:On September 02 2010 04:19 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. All I can say is: 95% of us disagree. Then don't expect for a foreign company to ever try and provide us with anything in the future. What foreign company?!?! You really buying this puppet front thing? It's Blizzard! Remember, NOTHING gets done in sc2 without the approval of Blizzard!
So without Gretech and GOMtv what do we have?
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On September 02 2010 04:24 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:21 LuciD` wrote:On September 02 2010 04:19 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. All I can say is: 95% of us disagree. Then don't expect for a foreign company to ever try and provide us with anything in the future. What foreign company?!?! You really buying this puppet front thing? It's Blizzard! Remember, NOTHING gets done in sc2 without the approval of Blizzard!
This kind of ludicrous, evidence-free conspiracy theorizing only makes you look bad. There's no need to impugn Blizzard for GOM's poor decision when there's no evidence that Blizzard influenced the decision in any way (aside from possibly charging a great deal for the rights to SC/2 broadcasting in Korea).
Furthermore, Gretech is an entrenched Korean media company, not some front that Blizzard erected solely to prop up its IP rights in Korea. That's simply how it is.
At any rate the pricing can be argued against on its own, without needing to bring Blizzard into it.
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free stream or no stream.
give us a LQ version.
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On September 02 2010 04:22 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:19 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. All I can say is: 95% of us disagree. Speak for yourself. Maybe you like stealing and complaining about anything that isn't free, but I can assure you that 95% of people are not like that. Lucid is speaking the truth.
Noble sir, (almost) every sc youtube/vod/stream you watched until now are reproduced without the permission of the copyright holder.
Have the thought of "Maybe 'I' like stealing and complaining about anything that isn't free" ever came across your mind?
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On September 02 2010 04:28 JimSocks wrote:
free stream or no stream.
give us a LQ version.
My school has bad internet anyways so I wont be able to see the HQ version that I'd have to pay for... stupid. Just plain stupid. Give me a $5 LQ choice.
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